Tipping by category poll

[LuluLovesDisney]

The reason that the percentages don't add up to 100% is that I allowed multiple votes by each person. It's possible that people tip at the deluxe but not the moderate. Or maybe they tip at all levels. That seemed to be the best way to set up the poll.

Thanks!
I was confused!

 

[PoohnPglet]

Sounds a little harsh but there is a lot of truth in your post. There are many CM who don't make much (any?) more than housekeepers, are also important in making our trip magical and aren't allowed to accept tips.

Walmart certainly doesn't pay their cashiers a living wage but we don't tip them.

Walmart pays more than Disney. And if you cannot/will not give monetary tips, how about giving ALL the Disney CM's the much appreciated gift of common courtesy and manners?

 

[Lewisc]

Walmart pays more than Disney. And if you cannot/will not give monetary tips, how about giving ALL the Disney CM's the much appreciated gift of common courtesy and manners?

I take offense to the tone of your post, I do tip and almost always at the high side of the guidelines and I do treat Disney CM's with respect.

Housekeeping is not a "tipped" position at WDW. Some people in this thread don't understand that housekeeping is in a completely different category than the "tipped" positions; waiter, bartender, bellhop and the like.
Housekeepers are paid enough money so that expected tips is not a part of their compensation. Some posters were told housekeepers are suppose to turn in their tips. Not 100% sure if that's correct.

 

[PoohnPglet]

I take offense to the tone of your post, I do tip and almost always at the high side of the guidelines and I do treat Disney CM's with respect.

Housekeeping is not a "tipped" position at WDW. Some people in this thread don't understand that housekeeping is in a completely different category than the "tipped" positions; waiter, bartender, bellhop and the like.
Housekeepers are paid enough money so that expected tips is not a part of their compensation. Some posters were told housekeepers are suppose to turn in their tips. Not 100% sure if that's correct.

Sorry, I quoted you for what you said abt Walmart wages, not to say you personally. I meant the "you" in a more general, all encompassing "you".

 

[patsal]

I too tip and I am courteous to all those I encounter. I'm simply stating that non-tipped positions make a higher wage than tipped positions and that it is not my fault that corporations do not pay a living wage. If I tried to make up for that I would be tipping at most retail outlets, all fast food restaurants, the grocery store, etc. Many of these places will not allow employees to take tips and many of the non-tipped positions at WDW are not allowed to accept/keep tips. Heck, many employers that do not pay a living wage are aware and even help the employees to fill out the paperwork for further subsidies.

 

[bicker]

I think it is silly to base that on what you are told.

Not at all. It is very rational to learn the expectations regarding covering the cost of service provided, and to comply with those expectations.

Interesting discussion -- a diffferent tilt on tipping that is typical of these thread. Nice chatting with y'all.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

It is not my responsibility to make up for wages that are not cosidered a "living wage"--and actually I already do in the form of food stamps, subsidized housing, and other social programs that I pay for through taxes.

Exactly.


To the person that said "I think it is silly to base that on what you are told. " Not really!! A lot of grocery stores won't let the person that carries your bags out accept a tip. Would you force that person to accept a tip anyway and risk them getting in trouble?


RickinNYC, you may not like what someone says but there is no reason to get ugly about it. Not everyone is going to see things the way you do.

 

[RickinNYC]

RickinNYC, you may not like what someone says but there is no reason to get ugly about it. Not everyone is going to see things the way you do.

I never ever expect anyone to agree with me at all times. To think otherwise would be preposterous. But to state that one already "pays" for services rendered through one's taxes, i.e. food stamps, subsidized housing, etc... is, in my humble opinion, pretty darn offensive and has a strong sense of entitlement around the entire issue.

Whatever the case may be, I guess there are plenty of people that choose not to tip for whatever reason. That's their perogative. In real life, outside the DIS, I don't know a single soul that doesn't tip housekeepers. Simple as that. I was raised to tip folks who perform a thankless job for me and will continue to do so. Yes, in my mind, I think it's the right thing to do. Thankfully, the vast majority of the DIS that have taken the poll attache to this thread feel the same way.

 

[Lewisc]

According to an article in the NYTimes travel section a few years ago 70% of all hotel guests don't tip housekeeping. Disney has gone so far as to remove housekeeping from the list of "tipped" positions. Disney pays the housekeepers enough so that tips are not necessary.

It's certainly fair to restrict your tipping to "tipped" positions in which our tips are the form of compensation. There a variety of government programs which assist workers who aren't earning enough money. The post may have been harsh, I wouldn't have worded it that way, but I don't know of any logical reason to supplement the wages of lower paid housekeepers but not other similarly paid workers performing similar services.

I never ever expect anyone to agree with me at all times. To think otherwise would be preposterous. But to state that one already "pays" for services rendered through one's taxes, i.e. food stamps, subsidized housing, etc... is, in my humble opinion, pretty darn offensive and has a strong sense of entitlement around the entire issue.

Whatever the case may be, I guess there are plenty of people that choose not to tip for whatever reason. That's their perogative. In real life, outside the DIS, I don't know a single soul that doesn't tip housekeepers. Simple as that. I was raised to tip folks who perform a thankless job for me and will continue to do so. Yes, in my mind, I think it's the right thing to do. Thankfully, the vast majority of the DIS that have taken the poll attache to this thread feel the same way.

 

[momimouse27]

Up until the last couple of years we have stayed at values, but we always tipped. Then we stayed at Beach Club and now were hooked on Deluxe, but we still tip. Alot of those CMs rely on tips as part of their income. However, if we don't get good service we tip much less.

 

[Lewisc]

Don't make the mistake from the poll and posts in this thread of assuming that most people tip housekeeping in WDW.

If that was true Disney would have designated housekeeping as a "tipped" position and paid the employees a little bit less.

 

[Kimkimba]

We always tip, because that is what we choose to do. We try to live our lives in a giving and generous way; we feel very fortunate to be able to vacation at Disney.

 

[patsal]

i.e. food stamps, subsidized housing, etc... is, in my humble opinion, pretty darn offensive and has a strong sense of entitlement around the entire issue.

Whatever the case may be, I guess there are plenty of people that choose not to tip for whatever reason. That's their perogative. In real life, outside the DIS, I don't know a single soul that doesn't tip housekeepers

Sorry if I was offensive, and believe me I'm in no way feeling like I have any kind of entitlement. I have worked hard through my entire life and have never been given something for nothing--not that I begrudge those who have. I never stated that I didn't tip housekeeping-- I tip plenty and I do know plenty of people who do not tip housekeeping. People should do what they feel comfortable with when the person being tipped is already making standard minimum wage or above.
For the sake of argument a housekeeper cleans lets say 25 rooms per day ( I have no idea, but just an example), they get $4.00 in tips from each of these rooms (again just an example) that is 100 per day now multiply that by 5 days work and you are looking at $500.00 tax free per week (if it is an untipped position there are no forms to fill out accounting for the tips--that is why it is illegal for many position to take tips--remember your servers, bellhops and valets have forms to fill out declaring the amount they made in tips and tips are taxable). And again, sorry if it sounds offensive, but I think it is unconscionable that employers pay below a "living wage" and expect that government subsidies make up for their lack of approopriate wages and medical insurance.

 

[Suzanne74]

Don't make the mistake from the poll and posts in this thread of assuming that most people tip housekeeping in WDW.

I agree with this - Most people have typed in one forum or another here "I am supposed to tip housekeeping? I never knew that" or "Until I came to the DIS, I never knew you could or should tip mousekeeping." I was one of them and after reading it, I asked many people that I knew (I was curious, if I was the minority because I never knew you were supposed to because when I asked WDW, they say no tipping ) Anyway, I did not find one person that tipped for no reason, even the richies that send their kids to the private school near me - no one that I knew has ever tipped housekeeping except for cruises (because their wage is based on this) or special requests. Maybe it is a regional thing, it seems like New Yorkers especially tip a lot.

Really mousekeeping makes no less then $6.50/hr since Fl min wage is $6.10. Most probably make a little more then that. I did ask a mousekeeper before and they do clean 15-16 rooms a day (roughly 2 rooms/hr for an 8hr day.) If everyone thinks they deserve say $3-5/day, that is $6 to $10 EXTRA (and non-taxed) an hour they are making. That is more then what they are making an hour for their wages. I don't know any non-tipped position that actually makes more in tips then their hourly wage and I don't think it is fair to other non-tipped jobs out there. People think housekeeping is thankless so worthy of tips but what about the people that round up the carts at the grocery store day in and out so you don't have to walk for one - isn't that a thankless job then? Do you think they make any tips let alone double what they make in their wages. I doubt it.

Honestly, housekeeping doesn't seem so thankless to me. Maybe because I am a nurse and throw-up and stuff like that doesn't bother me but I just think of it as a job - one that someone wanted and applied for and received. A friend's mother cleans houses because she likes cleaning but does not like people/customer service. She doesn't have to deal with socialization and she does her job and goes home for the day and can leave it all behind and play with her kids/grandkids. This is unlike many workers who still have to work at home AFTER they get home to catch up on things, meet deadlines etc... (mind you for no extra wages.) Anyway, she makes decent money and never receives tips on top of her daily rate (I asked.) Her husband is a pharmacist and they live in a great neighborhood - no one feels sorry for her or thinks her job is thankless, it is ideal for her and it is why she is doing it. Many say a nurse's job is thankless too but it is ideal for me and my family and I feel satisfied doing it reguardless or what others may perceive my job to be (ie.. disgusting, overworked, sad, and should I say it, underpaid/underappreciated for what I went to school for)

Anyway, I agree with the poster that said both sides have valid reasons and you can not talk anyone in or out of tipping if they are set in their ways. I am not pushing "DON'T TIP" but I am just stating I have never heard of it nor do I think it is necessary since it is a non-tipped position at least for myself personally. I take offense to people who think it is so wrong not to. I think for RickinNY to get offended at everyone for not doing what he believes is mandatory or expected is a little much.

 

[Lewisc]

I take offense to people who think it is so wrong not to. I think for RickinNY to get offended at everyone for not doing what he believes is mandatory or expected is a little much.

I couldn't agree more. It's a non-tipped position for a reason, tips aren't expected and most guests won't be tipping.

Waiters do make a lot more/hour with tips then they do with their, sub-minimum wage, hourly wage.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

i would be embarrassed to not tip

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

Just curious:

is your decision to tip/not to tip in WDW the same or different in a different hotel?

A lot of people say housekeeping in WDW is a non tipped position, but if you went to a hotel where housekeepers were an officially tipped position would you tip there?

Thanks!

 

[beattyfamily]

Just curious:

is your decision to tip/not to tip in WDW the same or different in a different hotel?

A lot of people say housekeeping in WDW is a non tipped position, but if you went to a hotel where housekeepers were an officially tipped position would you tip there?

Thanks!

I'm curious too...for example, would you tip at DL where it is a tipped position or on the DCL where it is a tipped position?

Just curious.

 

[patsal]

I tip where and when appropriate. Thus, I tip all persons providing me with a service that is considered a tipped position (those that make the very small tipped position minimum wage).

 

[goin2disneyagain]

I agree with this - Most people have typed in one forum or another here "I am supposed to tip housekeeping? I never knew that" or "Until I came to the DIS, I never knew you could or should tip mousekeeping." I was one of them and after reading it, I asked many people that I knew (I was curious, if I was the minority because I never knew you were supposed to because when I asked WDW, they say no tipping ) Anyway, I did not find one person that tipped for no reason, even the richies that send their kids to the private school near me - no one that I knew has ever tipped housekeeping except for cruises (because their wage is based on this) or special requests. Maybe it is a regional thing, it seems like New Yorkers especially tip a lot.

Really mousekeeping makes no less then $6.50/hr since Fl min wage is $6.10. Most probably make a little more then that. I did ask a mousekeeper before and they do clean 15-16 rooms a day (roughly 2 rooms/hr for an 8hr day.) If everyone thinks they deserve say $3-5/day, that is $6 to $10 EXTRA (and non-taxed) an hour they are making. That is more then what they are making an hour for their wages. I don't know any non-tipped position that actually makes more in tips then their hourly wage and I don't think it is fair to other non-tipped jobs out there. People think housekeeping is thankless so worthy of tips but what about the people that round up the carts at the grocery store day in and out so you don't have to walk for one - isn't that a thankless job then? Do you think they make any tips let alone double what they make in their wages. I doubt it.

Honestly, housekeeping doesn't seem so thankless to me. Maybe because I am a nurse and throw-up and stuff like that doesn't bother me but I just think of it as a job - one that someone wanted and applied for and received. A friend's mother cleans houses because she likes cleaning but does not like people/customer service. She doesn't have to deal with socialization and she does her job and goes home for the day and can leave it all behind and play with her kids/grandkids. This is unlike many workers who still have to work at home AFTER they get home to catch up on things, meet deadlines etc... (mind you for no extra wages.) Anyway, she makes decent money and never receives tips on top of her daily rate (I asked.) Her husband is a pharmacist and they live in a great neighborhood - no one feels sorry for her or thinks her job is thankless, it is ideal for her and it is why she is doing it. Many say a nurse's job is thankless too but it is ideal for me and my family and I feel satisfied doing it reguardless or what others may perceive my job to be (ie.. disgusting, overworked, sad, and should I say it, underpaid/underappreciated for what I went to school for)

Anyway, I agree with the poster that said both sides have valid reasons and you can not talk anyone in or out of tipping if they are set in their ways. I am not pushing "DON'T TIP" but I am just stating I have never heard of it nor do I think it is necessary since it is a non-tipped position at least for myself personally. I take offense to people who think it is so wrong not to. I think for RickinNY to get offended at everyone for not doing what he believes is mandatory or expected is a little much.

Very well said!! I also agree that these polls on the DIS are misleading because most people truly do not tip housekeeping. As someone else stated, 70% of people don't, I think that is much more accurate. You people that choose to tip, well that is certainly your choice but you have no right to "judge" those of us that don't choose to tip housekeeping. We equally have the same right not to tip.