Time Bomb in Our Midst

[DawnCt1]

26% of US Muslim youths feel that suicide bombings are acceptable in order to defend Islam. Overall, only 13% of U.S. Muslims feel that way but that number doubles in the 18 to 24 demographic. Defending Islam can be very relative. On the positive side, 78% are happy with their lives in America. The US has also done a better job of assimilating Muslims into American society, as opposed to Europe. Still, 26% is a very large number and the attitude is very concerning. http://www.nypost.com/seven/0523200...ws_douglas_montero_and_andy_soltis.htm?page=2

 

[gina2000]

Well, that's what youth is all about. Remember the Chicago 7? Kent State? Never trust anyone over 30? Youth is always radical and somewhat idealistic in their viewpoints. I think to ascribe it as a time bomb in our midst is overreacting. These young men and women will grow older and modify their views. Haven't you as you've grown older (and hopefully wiser?)

I heard this on the morning news. I didn't get all hepped up about it.

 

[meandtheguys2]

We have plenty of ticking time bombs on our own. A local 18 year old is in jail this morning for threatening to come to school with a gun kill one person in particular, and "take out" another 20 or so.

 

[DawnCt1]

Well, that's what youth is all about. Remember the Chicago 7? Kent State? Never trust anyone over 30? Youth is always radical and somewhat idealistic in their viewpoints. I think to ascribe it as a time bomb in our midst is overreacting. These young men and women will grow older and modify their views. Haven't you as you've grown older (and hopefully wiser?)

I heard this on the morning news. I didn't get all hepped up about it.

The problem with the examples that you have pointed out, is they were isolated cases who were busted and imprisoned. They were not willing to die for their ideology, only to let others die. I doubt back in the 60's when I grew up, that 26% of the youth were radicalized to the extent we are discussing here. There were also not mosques that capitalized on youth angst to create a potential army of "fighters".

 

[Charade]

Well, that's what youth is all about. Remember the Chicago 7? Kent State? Never trust anyone over 30? Youth is always radical and somewhat idealistic in their viewpoints. I think to ascribe it as a time bomb in our midst is overreacting. These young men and women will grow older and modify their views. Haven't you as you've grown older (and hopefully wiser?)

I heard this on the morning news. I didn't get all hepped up about it.

Until the other shoe drops...

And yes, many people's views temper as they get older but that doesn't mean the next (and the next) upcoming generation won't start out with radical views more dangerous than the previous.

 

[gina2000]

Dawn, you must have lived in a different 1960's than I did. Not to mention the fact that even though X % of the Islamic young say suicide bombing may be justified, they aren't saying that THEY are volunteering to do it. That sounds alot like the 60's youth.....willing to offer their viewpoints but not willing to lay down and die for them. (Though 60's Vietnam vets did do just that for us....the opposite viewpoint).

And yes, subsequent generations become more liberal as a result. We see it here in America, with Americans. I'm more liberal than my parents were and I suspect my son will be even more so.

 

[peachgirl]

The problem with the examples that you have pointed out, is they were isolated cases who were busted and imprisoned.

The climate that breeds the McVeigh's of this world is not though. It's alive and well and breeding the next generation of extremists.

Someone should poll that bunch of US citizens and see how high the numbers are as far as using violence to attain their goals. It would put your numbers to shame.

 

[Charade]

The climate that breeds the McVeigh's of this world is not though. It's alive and well and breeding the next generation of extremists.

Someone should poll that bunch of US citizens and see how high the numbers are as far as using violence to attain their goals. It would put your numbers to shame.

Sounds like you already know what it is. Please do tell.

 

[DawnCt1]

The climate that breeds the McVeigh's of this world is not though. It's alive and well and breeding the next generation of extremists.

Someone should poll that bunch of US citizens and see how high the numbers are as far as using violence to attain their goals. It would put your numbers to shame.

I don't think you will find any significant data. The very vast majority of Americans, of all ages, were horrified and disgusted by McVeigh's actions. The "McVeigh's" do not even represent a percentage of the population. In addition, there is not one main stream religion that would even tolerate that type of thinking, let alone behavior of the Tim McVeigh's. Its a very poor example. Ronald Reagan, in his diaries, (as reported) worried about the emergence of Islamic extremism back in the 80's. Apparently he was correct to be concerned.

 

[peachgirl]

The "McVeigh's" do not even represent a percentage of the population. In addition, there is not one main stream religion that would even tolerate that type of thinking, let alone behavior of the Tim McVeigh's.

Of course they are Dawn. Mabe not in comfy Connecticut, but if you ever want to take a vacation in good old southern Oklahoma, let me know. I'll give you map to just what you need to see. I'd take you there myself, but it's not a place I really want to be. This isn't the only place where the militia movement is thriving, but we have our fair share of them to say the least.

I don't know what difference it makes if the terrorism is based on religious beliefs or not, but I don't have much doubt that the majority of the people I'm talking about read the same bible you do.

 

[Bob Slydell]

What do you propose, Dawn? Making being Muslim illegal in the US?

 

[Charade]

What do you propose, Dawn? Making being Muslim illegal in the US?

Snark alert!

I suggest we keep an eye on the ones that have the potential to become trouble.

 

[Tiffer]

What do you propose, Dawn? Making being Muslim illegal in the US?

Maybe we can set up internment camps for them and take their land.

 

[KariC]

From pewresearch.org.....

1. Muslim Americans reject Islamic extremism by larger margins than do Muslim minorities in Western European countries. However, there is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the U.S. Muslim public than others. Fewer native-born African American Muslims than others completely condemn al Qaeda. In addition, younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified. Nonetheless, absolute levels of support for Islamic extremism among Muslim Americans are quite low, especially when compared with Muslims around the world.

2. Relatively few Muslim Americans believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce terrorism, and many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

These are two bulleted points from the report (I put the numbers there). The first gives me SOME comfort, the second is a bit more concerning. How can that even be questioned? Another interesting thought, that I don't see represented in the research, is that Islam is gaining a huge portion of the prison population....and generally it is a more extreme view of the religion. Many Imams see it as a great place to find more radical types that will be more "willing" to be extreme. (Don't have a source for that right now, I watched it on a Discovery Times special).

 

[peachgirl]

Snark alert!

I suggest we keep an eye on the ones that have the potential to become trouble.

Pray tell, how is it we would figure out who "the ones" are?

Skin color? Eye shape? Religious beliefs??? What would be the criteria?

 

[Bob Slydell]

Snark alert!

I suggest we keep an eye on the ones that have the potential to become trouble.

I suggest we keep an eye on anyone who has the potential to become trouble.

Hang on -- I think the FBI is on the other line...

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What do you propose, Dawn? Making being Muslim illegal in the US?

Why the insult??

 

[Bob Slydell]

Why the insult??

What insult? Seriously -- it was a simple question. Dawn said we've got a time bomb going on and I asked what the solution is.

 

[wvrevy]

"You MUST fear the brown people!!!"



Exactly what are we supposed to do about any of that, even if it were true? Dawn? John? You say "keep an eye on them"...so, we should be spying on people who we do not suspect of having committed a crime? No probable cause? No due process?

Is this really what this country has been reduced to?

How...disappointing.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Of course they are Dawn. Mabe not in comfy Connecticut, but if you ever want to take a vacation in good old southern Oklahoma, let me know. I'll give you map to just what you need to see. I'd take you there myself, but it's not a place I really want to be. This isn't the only place where the militia movement is thriving, but we have our fair share of them to say the least.

I don't know what difference it makes if the terrorism is based on religious beliefs or not, but I don't have much doubt that the majority of the people I'm talking about read the same bible you do.

Apparently this article does not bother you then -- and you think the "McVeigh" types in Oklahoma are an equal or greater threat?