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[randumb0]

Orlando Fun Tickets still have the old prices. They're the company that TicketsAtWork uses

 

[randumb0]

I'm up for renewal too...... waiting on tax return. Also having trouble with the site..... as usual!!
But I haven't seen the "new" renewal price either.... hopefully that didn't go up... or if it did, hopefully less than $20! With last years increase it's gotten way too expensive!

The price of all AP's went up including renewals. Tell me what pass you have and I'll tell you the renewal

 

[ThornXBL]

3. If it is true that third-party reseller tickets will continue to be price-bridged, and it is also true that expired tickets retain their value towards the purchase of a new ticket, then it follows that an expired ticket purchased from a reseller should be exchangeable for the same ticket at zero cost (at least as long as the same ticket is still available for purchase - and if it's not, I'm not sure how they bridge it). Thoughts?

[Edit] Disregard; after re-reading my post I don't feel like trying to theorize about this right now, haha. I don't want to confuse anyone reading this thread.

 

[Robo]

[THEORETICAL] Once the resellers start selling these new, expiration dated tickets, I suspect the bridging math may change somewhat. I imagine they'd be able to use that expiration date against their records to know what the at-gate value of the ticket was at the time it was made, and that would be your starting point for bridging. That seems to be similar to what they will do when you exchange an unused, expired ticket going forward, so I could see similar logic applying to bridging. I don't imagine we will know for sure until the next price increase.

They ALWAYS know what the gate price was on the date the ticket was sold.
(Or during a range of dates.)
That is not affected by the new "expiration dates."
What they DON'T know is what the Guest paid the reseller on the date that the ticket was sold.
That is the reason behind the price-bridge.

 

[mab2012]

[THEORETICAL] Once the resellers start selling these new, expiration dated tickets, I suspect the bridging math may change somewhat. I imagine they'd be able to use that expiration date against their records to know what the at-gate value of the ticket was at the time it was made, and that would be your starting point for bridging. That seems to be similar to what they will do when you exchange an unused, expired ticket going forward, so I could see similar logic applying to bridging. I don't imagine we will know for sure until the next price increase.

Ah. So to rephrase, instead of bridging to current gate price at the time of the transaction, they may use the highest gate price in effect prior to the expiration of the ticket. That would make some sense, and tidily solves the question of how to bridge a ticket that no longer exists. It will also make it a little more difficult to be sure you (the consumer) are getting the right price, since you'll have to know the historical value of the ticket, rather than just the current gate price.

I liked my logic better, but yours sounds far more likely. I knew it sounded too good to be true. Thanks for ringing in!

 

[cindyfan]

The price of all AP's went up including renewals. Tell me what pass you have and I'll tell you the renewal

Thanks! But I just checked and my renewal price went up $29 from last year! With tax.... last year I pd $676 and now it prices out at $705.

 

[mab2012]

They ALWAYS know what the gate price was on the date the ticket was sold.
(Or during a range of dates.)
That is not affected by the new "expiration dates."
What they DON'T know is what the Guest paid the reseller on the date that the ticket was sold.
That is the reason behind the price-bridge.

But they can probably reasonably surmise that you won't have paid more than the highest gate price in effect during the period for which that particular ticket was available. (Or if you did, more fool you. Caveat emptor.)

What the expiration date does that didn't happen before is put a bound on the shelf-life of the ticket. So before, Disney sold the reseller a ticket in 2010 that I'm just getting around to using now. They don't know if I bought that ticket from the reseller in 2010 or last week, so they can't put any upper bound on what I might have paid. Now they can assume that I didn't buy an expired ticket, so there's some limit on how recently that transaction might have occurred.

 

[Robo]

Anything is possible.

 

[randumb0]

Thanks! But I just checked and my renewal price went up $29 from last year! With tax.... last year I pd $676 and now it prices out at $705.

On a positive note, you'll save more than that with your 10-20% discount on merchandise and food

 

[ThornXBL]

They ALWAYS know what the gate price was on the date the ticket was sold.
(Or during a range of dates.)
That is not affected by the new "expiration dates."
What they DON'T know is what the Guest paid the reseller on the date that the ticket was sold.
That is the reason behind the price-bridge.

For sure; I figured they "always knew" what the gate price was. I was more thinking that (depending on how Disney utilizes them) the expiration dates could be a far simpler reference for gate price history. That'll only be true though if the expiration dates going forward only change during a price increase. If that happens, then we guests also will be able to quickly determine the original gate value of a ticket w/o needing to check the ticket in Disney's database.

 

[Robo]

Anything is possible.




(Sorry, Eastern, I'm just too tired.)

 

[mab2012]

Does anyone know how this currently works at Disneyland?

ie. If I take an unused, expired reseller-purchased DL ticket to the gate and ask for a new ticket of the same duration and with the same options, what (if anything) would that cost?

 

[ah10is]

Thanks! But I just checked and my renewal price went up $29 from last year! With tax.... last year I pd $676 and now it prices out at $705.

Is this the renewal cost now for the Platinum pass?

 

[hiroMYhero]

Does anyone know how this currently works at Disneyland?

ie. If I take an unused, expired reseller-purchased DL ticket to the gate and ask for a new ticket of the same duration and with the same options, what (if anything) would that cost?

It would be calculated in the same manner as at WDW. Value of the expired ticket applied towards the new DL ticket.

 

[randumb0]

Is this the renewal cost now for the Platinum pass?

Platinum renewal is $705. Platinum new is $829

 

[mab2012]

It would be calculated in the same manner as at WDW. Value of the expired ticket applied towards the new DL ticket.

But what's the "value" of the expired ticket? Current gate price? Gate price at the time the ticket expired? The price the reseller paid Disney (less likely)?

If they use current gate price, great! That basically opens a loophole to avoid the whole expiry issue. I buy a ticket from a reseller now for some hypothetical future trip, let it expire, and when I finally get around to taking my trip, I trade it for a new ticket at zero net cost. Yay! It's just like having a non-expiring ticket.

But that seems too easy. The idea that they'll use price at the time the ticket expired seems far more likely. I retain the benefit of whatever discount was offered by the reseller at the time, but I don't get to hedge against price increases indefinitely.

Presumably this is a solved problem, since they already do it at DL.

 

[PlutoTheDog89]

So.. did Disney add expiration dates to battle re-sale tickets? I mean, if tickets have an expiration date, then gone are the days of selling the unused portion (i.e. the remaining 3 days on your 10-day hopper) and Disney has found a way to make money off unused resales (by including that step-up fee.)

There's a chance I'm totally off on this — I've never bought re-sale. I'm more asking than assuming.

On top of this, I guess another thought process is how it's cheaper per day to buy a 10-day than a 3-day. I'm assuming guests would purchase the 10-day, use 3 days here, 2 days there, etc.

 

[PlutoTheDog89]

But what's the "value" of the expired ticket? Current gate price? Gate price at the time the ticket expired? The price the reseller paid Disney (less likely)?

If they use current gate price, great! That basically opens a loophole to avoid the whole expiry issue. I buy a ticket from a reseller now for some hypothetical future trip, let it expire, and when I finally get around to taking my trip, I trade it for a new ticket at zero net cost. Yay! It's just like having a non-expiring ticket.

But that seems too easy. The idea that they'll use price at the time the ticket expired seems far more likely. I retain the benefit of whatever discount was offered by the reseller at the time, but I don't get to hedge against price increases indefinitely.

Presumably this is a solved problem, since they already do it at DL.

I've been reading up on this way more than I should be. I'm still confused.

From what I understand - if you purchased the ticket for $400 and don't use it, then 5 years later you go to Disney and wish to revive the ticket, but the same ticket you bought now costs $450, it'll be $50 to revive that ticket.


... I think.

 

[randumb0]

I've been reading up on this way more than I should be. I'm still confused.

From what I understand - if you purchased the ticket for $400 and don't use it, then 5 years later you go to Disney and wish to revive the ticket, but the same ticket you bought now costs $450, it'll be $50 to revive that ticket.


... I think.

5 years later you will need to pay the difference between what you paid and what the current price is

 

[mab2012]

I've been reading up on this way more than I should be. I'm still confused.

From what I understand - if you purchased the ticket for $400 and don't use it, then 5 years later you go to Disney and wish to revive the ticket, but the same ticket you bought now costs $450, it'll be $50 to revive that ticket.


... I think.

Yup, this is almost certainly true for tickets purchased directly from Disney. They know exactly what you paid, and they'll charge you the difference.

The murkiness is around tickets purchased from a reseller. Currently those tickets are valued at current gate price, because Disney does not know when you bought them, only when they were sold to the reseller. So the only upper bound they can put on the price you might have paid is today's gate price. The expiry dates might change that, because Disney can reasonably assume that you won't have paid 2019 gate price for a ticket that expired in 2017. They still won't know (or care) what discount you might have gotten from the reseller, but they'll be able to put a reasonable upper bound on what you paid.

If they don't do this, then they'll create a giant loophole allowing indefinite hedging against price increases. Which would be great, but IMO unlikely, since presumably that's what this move to expiration dates is intended to avoid.

That said, I'm not sure I really understand why Disney *has* gone to this new model. Usually businesses would rather have my money today than tomorrow, and expiry dates on tickets discourage this. I guess they're just assuming that if I don't buy tickets now, I'll be happy to pay 30% more in two years? At that rate of increase, I can see why they'd be content to wait.

The only other thing I can think of is that it might be an accounting thing. But since the future use of those tickets doesn't cost Disney anything, I don't see any reason they'd be required to report it as a liability, and thus no reason to want it off the books. But I'm not an accountant, and business accounting rules are complicated. So, maybe.