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[BuckNaked]

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't MLK day already a national holiday?

Yes, it's already a holiday, I just don't think it should have been made one in the first place (back in the 1980s).

Do you have something against people getting a day off work?

Nope, but if there is going to be only one national holiday that honors a single American, I think there are people that are more deserving than Dr. King.

I suppose if you want to fight to make that day NOT a holiday go right ahead, but like I said before, "Every party has a pooper..."

Again, nope, I have no desire to fight to have it changed, I just think it was a mistake in the first place.

 

[cheerbop]

As one from outside the USA, I had a great regard for Mrs. King. She was a lady of great grace. Was I the only one appalled at the political overtones. This should have been a tribute to a gracious women ,it turned out to be a group of people blowing their own horns and getting far to political for such an occasion. shame on them.

I agree....Democrat or Republican..it was Completely out of line!!

Mrs King had a wonderful eulogy from her daughter. A funeral is not about politics...it is about showing respect to the deceased.

 

[jennobrn01]

If it was someone trashing a democratic president like this at a funeral. I wonder.

That doesn't happen.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

That doesn't happen.

And you'd never see it happen because the dems wouldn't allow it.
ETA: And besides, I think the republican's have more class than that. They would never turn a funeral into a political circus. Just as a side note, I thought it was funny when Bush Sr. said, "You guys may have lucked out, I lost a page." I thought that was funny.

 

[eclectics]

What a pantload. I haven't and don't object to a holiday for Dr. King. I respect him for what he did and was glad and proud that he was honored with a national holiday. But I can certainly understand why someone else would have a different opinion. Interesting that you seem to insinuate that because someone has that different opinion, it's disrespect. But I get the feel that disrespect isn't really the word you wanted to use. I think you're insinuating it's racist. That's the feel I'm getting.

If some don't think he was important enough of a figure in our history to be given a holiday and still feel that way years after and wish to emphasize their feelings about it on the day of his wife's funeral, well then so be it. I never said anyone was wrong to have that opinion. I merely don't understand how some who claim to have so much respect for the man and his courage but don't think he should be recognized with a national holiday for it. And the harm in this is what? Nobody has explained that to me. I never accused anyone of racism and if you wish to stir that pot, I can't stop you. This whole discussion started because the President was taken down a notch and that seems to be a unforgiveable crime these days.

 

[eclectics]

Then why didn't LBJ fire him? In fact, LBJ and Hoover were old friends and LBJ gave him the Distinguished Achievement Award.

They were not buddies. There was no love loss between LBJ and Hoover. That's a documented fact. I suspect they each had enough dirt on the other to have to tolerate each other. Interestingly, Bill Bradlee of the Washington Post might have indirectly forced LBJ's hand into giving Hoover lifetime status. There is a page or two about it in "All The President's Men".

 

[bimshire]

And besides, I think the republican's have more class

Stom Thurman is rolling over. He did everything to keep blacks down but in private had no problem savoring the very young females. More class?

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Stom Thurman is rolling over. He did everything to keep blacks down but in private had no problem savoring the very young females. More class?

Did you read the rest of my comment? Here's let me post it again...

They would never turn a funeral into a political circus.

That's what I meant by class. Of course the republicans aren't completely classy people...but then again, who is?

 

[wvrevy]

Did I miss something, or did someone just mention "Republicans" and "Class" in the same sentence? Did you bother to watch the last convention? If Shrub could have paraded the remains of the 9/11 victims through the halls, he would have. Any republican trying to come off as holier-than-thou about something like this is nothing more than a hypocrite.

As for the rest of the comments...Gee, big surprise. The "right" is against honoring someone that they fought against his entire life. Want to know why African Americans tend to support Democrats? Look no further than the Republican representatives on this thread. See, Dems actually support equal rights and equal opportunity, rather than paying it lip service.

As for why political comments showed up in funeral services...again, look no further than this thread. At this point, it is impossible for the two sides to deal respectfully with one another. The rise of mud-slinging artists like Karl Rove and mouthpieces like Coulter and Hannity has assured that.

 

[BuckNaked]

As for the rest of the comments...Gee, big surprise. The "right" is against honoring someone that they fought against his entire life.

I'm certainly not against honoring Dr. King, I'm just not convinced that a national holiday was the way to do it. I would love for someone to answer my earlier question, i.e., is Dr. King the one person in American history that is most worthy of having a national holiday? For all the great things that he did, I would say no, he is not the most worthy of such an honor.

See, Dems actually support equal rights and equal opportunity, rather than paying it lip service.

I support equal rights and equal opportunity as well. Believe it or not, support for such issues is not limited to Democrats.

As for why political comments showed up in funeral services...again, look no further than this thread. At this point, it is impossible for the two sides to deal respectfully with one another. The rise of mud-slinging artists like Karl Rove and mouthpieces like Coulter and Hannity has assured that.

And there are no "mud-slinging artists" on the left? Not saying that it's right in either case, but let's not be disengenuous here. It happens on BOTH sides of the political aisle.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Did I miss something, or did someone just mention "Republicans" and "Class" in the same sentence? Did you bother to watch the last convention? If Shrub could have paraded the remains of the 9/11 victims through the halls, he would have. Any republican trying to come off as holier-than-thou about something like this is nothing more than a hypocrite.

What does the convention and this funeral have in common? What I meant was the Republicans wouldn't turn a funeral into a political circus.

As for why political comments showed up in funeral services...again, look no further than this thread. At this point, it is impossible for the two sides to deal respectfully with one another. The rise of mud-slinging artists like Karl Rove and mouthpieces like Coulter and Hannity has assured that.

I don't recall seeing Karl Rove, Coulter or Hannity speaking at the funeral. Nope, didn't see them. This has turned into a very nasty fight. All people were saying is that they were appalled that politics was injected into the funeral of a great woman. That's all, and look what this has turned out to be.

 

[eleanor]

I didn't realize how many really nasty people were on this board. I'm outta here

 

[WIcruizer]

"Every party has a pooper, that's why we invited you...." There really aren't that many national holidays. I suppose if you dislike them so much, you could always work at a job where you WOULDN'T get those days off??

Since this was in response to me, I'll answer. I DON'T get a day off for MLK Day or most other national holidays that have ben invented. Flag Day, Presidents Day, Valentine's Day, Arbor Day, etc etc.

It's not that I DISLIKE them, I'm just indifferent to many of them.

I merely don't understand how some who claim to have so much respect for the man and his courage but don't think he should be recognized with a national holiday for it.

I think if you read carefully, most of us have said we're not OPPOSED to the Holiday, we're just indifferent. How many great Americans in history do nOT have a National Holiday? It doesn't make them any more or less respected in my opinion.

And the harm in this is what?

And what is the harm in NOT having a National Holiday? That's where this whole sidetrack issue got started. We didn't bring it up. MuggMan made a comment about how Cheney didn't vote for the MLK Holiday when he was in Congress. All we're trying to say is "So what?" You vote for it or you don't, but having a National Holiday is not necessary to respect someone.

 

[WIcruizer]

Want to know why African Americans tend to support Democrats?

No, I don't wonder why. Many in the AA community understand very well that Dem= Handouts. Even though 40 years of history proves it is a self-destructive model.

 

[tiger95]

As for why political comments showed up in funeral services...again, look no further than this thread. At this point, it is impossible for the two sides to deal respectfully with one another. The rise of mud-slinging artists like Karl Rove and mouthpieces like Coulter and Hannity has assured that.

But for goodness sakes, this was a funeral. A time to pay respect to a great woman, who has done great things for this country in terms of civil rights. I can **almost** understand Joesph Lowery making the comments he did, he was member of the King's inner circle. But Jimmy Carter? His comments in the context of where he was speaking were dispicable.

This is the way you show honor and respect??

 

[tarmand]

This whole discussion started because the President was taken down a notch and that seems to be a unforgiveable crime these days.

I choose to disagree. This whole thing started because some people chose to be tacky and ignorant at a funeral. But what more could you expect from a group that promotes such juvinile behavior as cheering wildly at the State of the Union address only when their president announced his failure to reform social security. When will these people start acting like adults and not whining toddlers?

 

[DawnCt1]

But Jimmy Carter? His comments in the context of where he was speaking were dispicable.

This is the way you show honor and respect??

What did you expect from the worst president of the 20th century and now the worst EX president?

 

[BelleMcNally]

Just...wow.

The King family chose the speakers...and they don't seem to have a problem with what was said. Now, if Ms. King's daughter makes a statement saying she felt that the speakers were out of line, I'll buy the "complete disrespect for a great woman" argument.

She WAS a political woman--she spoke out on political issues all of the time. I don't see how it's completely disrespectful to carry her life's work over into her funeral.

Oh...and I think you'd find many African Americans who would be VERY offended by the statement that their community's political beliefs have to do with "handouts". That's an awfully charged statement...one I consider rather rude, actually.

 

[sodaseller]

Absolutely, and Jimmy Carter lead the charge. The man is shameless. He should stick to building houses, keep the hammer in his hand and the nails in his big mouth.

This reaction to Carter's plainly mortal teachings reminds me of a similar reaction to similar teachings

The people were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one having authority and not as the scribes.
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11 In their synagogue was a man with an unclean spirit;
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12 he cried out, "What have you to do with us, 13 Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"
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Jesus rebuked him and said, "Quiet! Come out of him!"
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The unclean spirit convulsed him and with a loud cry came out of him.

 

[shortbun]

And he can only be respected if he has a national holiday?

Tell me, do you believe that out of all of the great figures in American history, Dr. King is the only one that is worthy of his own national holiday? He's it?

What, you want a "David Duke Day?"