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[DawnCt1]

And he can only be respected if he has a national holiday?

Tell me, do you believe that out of all of the great figures in American history, Dr. King is the only one that is worthy of his own national holiday? He's it?

There are enough great Americans through out history that if we play our cards right, no one will have to go to work!

 

[richiebaseball]

As usual, you missed the point. It's not about holidays, it's about respecting a man who the African American people rightly see as their liberator and civil rights leader. But if you want to make more holiday jokes, go right ahead.

So one can't have the opinion that Dr. King was a great and courageous man and respect him unless they also agree there should be a national holiday in his honor?

That does indeed seem to be the point you're trying to insinuate.

 

[Tiziminchac]

Personally, I thought it was shameful. The politics should have been left out. The president took the time to show his respect for a beloved American and gets insulted from the pulpit! I guess I just have a different view of what funerals are all about.

 

[eclectics]

No, we wonder why they support Democrats. It was the party of Lincoln who voted for the passage of the Civil Rights Act. You know, those mean, nasty Republicans.

Lincoln was a great man. Whatever happened to the Grand Old Party he belonged to? It underwent quite an "evolution" over the years.

 

[DawnCt1]

Personally, I thought it was shameful. The politics should have been left out. The president took the time to show his respect for a beloved American and gets insulted from the pulpit! I guess I just have a different view of what funerals are all about.

Paul Wellstone's funeral broke new ground for the Democrats. They discovered that they could have a funeral and a political convention all at the same time and actually feel good about it! It is shameful.

 

[BuckNaked]

So one can't have the opinion that Dr. King was a great and courageous man and respect him unless they also agree there should be a national holiday in his honor?

That does indeed seem to be the point you're trying to insinuate.

That's what I'm thinking too.

 

[JudicialTyranny]

Uh, I believe you'll find that was the mastermind of the great J. Edgar Hoover, staunch Republican supporter.

Then why didn't LBJ fire him? In fact, LBJ and Hoover were old friends and LBJ gave him the Distinguished Achievement Award.

They remained close when Johnson served as Vice President, but there was a change in their relationship when Johnson became President. The Director was over 65 by that time, past retirement age for federal employees, and he stayed in office only because of a special waiver which required the President’s signature each year. That waiver put Hoover right in Johnson’s pocket. With that leverage, Johnson began to take advantage of Hoover, using the Bureau as his personal investigative arm. His never-ending requests were usually political, and sometimes illegal… And Hoover hot-footed it to Johnson’s demands… he found himself very much in the back seat, almost a captive of the President …

(William Sullivan, The Bureau)

 

[DawnCt1]

Then why didn't LBJ fire him? In fact, LBJ and Hoover were old friends and LBJ gave him the Distinguished Achievement Award.

I would guess that he served "a purpose".

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I thought it was disgusting to have the political jabs at Prez Bush at CSK's funeral. Her primary identity was as a disciple of Jesus Christ. Maybe some reflection on how being a follower of Jesus impacted her life would have been more appropriate. This world is a better place because of her convictions. There are much bigger things to tackle than politics.

 

[richiebaseball]

In fact, LBJ and Hoover were old friends and LBJ gave him the Distinguished Achievement Award.

And Hoover gave LBJ a wonderful sequin blouse!

 

[rascalmom]

Boy, has this thread gone off topic.

I watched some more footage of the funeral later today. There were some political arrows slung that were probably out of place.

By tribute - I meant the focus on Mrs. King's strenght, courage and dignity. She worked by her husband's side and carried on his legacy.

I was hoping that we could honor Mrs. King here, but there seems to be much more indignation being spewed here that some of the speakers had a different political bent that they prefer & that was apparent. Just exactly what you are doing here!

 

[eclectics]

So one can't have the opinion that Dr. King was a great and courageous man and respect him unless they also agree there should be a national holiday in his honor?

That does indeed seem to be the point you're trying to insinuate.

I just wonder about all (according to the remarks from ALL the conservatives tonight, I think it's 100%) the resistance that Dr. King should have been given a national holiday. Interesting that you all seem to be united on that front. Personally, yes, I respect him enough to think he should be given national recognition. And since the deed has been done, so to speak, your objections, after the fact, do seem to smack of some disrespect, at least that's the feel I am getting. You will forgive me if I sign off for tonight. If you'd like to start a thread on this, I will be happy to contribute.

 

[BuckNaked]

I thought it was disgusting to have the political jabs at Prez Bush at CSK's funeral. Her primary identity was as a disciple of Jesus Christ. Maybe some reflection on how being a follower of Jesus impacted her life would have been more appropriate. This world is a better place because of her convictions. There are much bigger things to tackle than politics.

I listened to her daughter's eulogy, and it was all about CSK's discipleship and her love of Christ. It was a beautiful ending to the ceremony.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I just wonder about all (according to the remarks from ALL the conservatives tonight, I think it's 100%) the resistance that Dr. King should have been given a national holiday. Interesting that you all seem to be united on that front. Personally, yes, I respect him enough to think he should be given national recognition. And since the deed has been done, so to speak, your objections, after the fact, do seem to smack of some disrespect, at least that's the feel I am getting. You will forgive me if I sign off for tonight. If you'd like to start a thread on this, I will be happy to contribute.

I never said he shouldn't have a holiday.

I'm just saddened that the Dems pulled another "Wellstone" lead by Mr. Weaken-the-Nation Carter.

 

[BuckNaked]

Personally, yes, I respect him enough to think he should be given national recognition.

National recognition - yes. A national holiday - no.

And since the deed has been done, so to speak, your objections, after the fact, do seem to smack of some disrespect, at least that's the feel I am getting.

If that's the feel you're getting, it's because you are choosing to get that feeling. It isn't about disrespecting Dr. King, but rather about questioning whether or not he is the only single American worthy of a national holiday. And IMO, if there is only one holiday to hand out to an American historical figure, there are others that are more worthy than him.

 

[richiebaseball]

I just wonder about all (according to the remarks from ALL the conservatives tonight, I think it's 100%) the resistance that Dr. King should have been given a national holiday. Interesting that you all seem to be united on that front. Personally, yes, I respect him enough to think he should be given national recognition. And since the deed has been done, so to speak, your objections, after the fact, do seem to smack of some disrespect, at least that's the feel I am getting. You will forgive me if I sign off for tonight. If you'd like to start a thread on this, I will be happy to contribute.

What a pantload. I haven't and don't object to a holiday for Dr. King. I respect him for what he did and was glad and proud that he was honored with a national holiday. But I can certainly understand why someone else would have a different opinion. Interesting that you seem to insinuate that because someone has that different opinion, it's disrespect. But I get the feel that disrespect isn't really the word you wanted to use. I think you're insinuating it's racist. That's the feel I'm getting.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

While I myself probably wouldn't inject politics into a funeral speech, the Reverend who made those comments was invited by the King family to speak and although I don't know for sure, most likely knew Mrs. King well, and also her political leanings. This was a family funeral where people were invited to speak about Mrs. King and things they felt were germaine to her life and her beliefs. I haven't heard any of the King children express regret for the Reverend's comments.

i am watching the news now and they are talking about how the king family and how they had no issues with what lowery soke about as they hold his beliefs

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I listened to her daughter's eulogy, and it was all about CSK's discipleship and her love of Christ. It was a beautiful ending to the ceremony.

You are right. My post was too general. I was referring to specific remarks by Rev. Lowery and Pres. Carter. The clips I have heard from her daughter's remarks seemed much more appropriate. FWIW, the local late nws ran clips of the daughetr's eulogy rather than the other, more "controversial" ones.

 

[Free4Life11]

Well, I'm not Joe or Dawn but I'll field this one. I support Cheney's vote. There's too many national holidays, and although MLK was obviously a great leader, he holds no special right to have a national holiday. Personally, I could care less about MLK Day, Columbus Day, Presidents Day, or half a dozen other "holidays."

"Every party has a pooper, that's why we invited you...." There really aren't that many national holidays. I suppose if you dislike them so much, you could always work at a job where you WOULDN'T get those days off??

As far as the funeral, how was it political? All I saw were about 5 seconds of what Bush said and then an aeriel shot of everyones favorite protestors, "God Hates Gays"

 

[Free4Life11]

National recognition - yes. A national holiday - no.

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't MLK day already a national holiday? Do you have something against people getting a day off work?

I suppose if you want to fight to make that day NOT a holiday go right ahead, but like I said before, "Every party has a pooper..."