This whole "clique" thing - a vent - be warned!

lillygator said:
but if person X is upset that there thread is on page two and a faster moving or well posted thread is on page one...isn't that...?
No, because it isn't because anyone is bothered by a thread being more popular, it is about the board being easier to navigate. It just gets annoying to post a question and to come back a few hours later to find it has been buried on page 3 and that the reason isn't just lots of new threads coming up...but perpetual threads being kept on page one.

IMO, the fact that those threads are taking up so much of the main page (and I am not just talkig about cliques threads, but games, exchanges, so forth), gives good reason to make a sub board. I wouldn't care who ends up on the sub board, just that the boards be easier to navigate.
 
disykat said:
Lillygator, I'm sorry if I offended you by assuming your post was an attempted hijack. Someone already explained the reference to me. I still think that my post gave an explanation of what a hijack might look like, even though it is clear now that your comment wasn't one, KWIM?

I didn't mean to offend you, it wasn't about you, I was simply trying to answer a question Mark asked about what a hijack was.
no problem! I just wanted to post so no other confusion would be out there!!


and - cliques or not....can't we all just have a rockin' good time here on the CB??
 
poohandwendy said:
No, because it isn't because anyone is bothered by a thread being more popular, it is about the board being easier to navigate. It just gets annoying to post a question and to come back a few hours later to find it has been buried on page 3 and that the reason isn't just lots of new threads coming up...but perpetual threads being kept on page one.

but isn't that the point of e mail notification as well as the little arrow thing? I hardly ever use the notification but I just look for the arrow's to know where I've posted!
 
Miss Jasmine said:
Evenif it came from a 'Nole.

Sorry I couldn't help myself. ;) :rotfl2: Bad Gator, bad, bad. :blush:

Easy now.... :teeth:

I was going to say something in my post about 'Noles and Gators agreeing and that it might be a sign of the apocolypse, but I chickened out. :lmao:
 

For the record, I do understand the frustration with the cliquish hijackings and, with one recent exception, I do regret the few that I've helped take part in. I've never been big on them, at least not in the true sense of the word, but there have been times I've known it was going on and taken part in them. I'm not talking about times that the OP was also taking part, had left the thread, or the thread slowly ventured off topic (or little references like the nole/gator thing that happened).

And as a sidenote, not that I'm trying to take this offtopic, either, but it's hardly worth a PM or new thread, but WTH is a nole? I know what a gator is--both tha animal and the mascot.
 
julia & nicks mom said:
PEOPLE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THE CLIQUES - THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THE CONSTANT HIJACKING OF THREADS BY THE CLIQUES!!!


As someone who posts quite abit but just really willy nilly here and there...can someone explain to me how a thread/post is HIJACKED?

Also, I would like to add that I am on a "dieting" thread on the W.I.S.H. board and it really is about 10 regular people discussing their struggles with weight on a daily basis......would that be considered a CLIQUE?
 
lillygator said:
I guess my point was - you posted that some aren't listening to what others are saying and its not about jealousy....



but if person X is upset that their thread is on page two and a faster moving or well posted thread is on page one...isn't that...?

liligator, it's not just about people upset that their own threads are being bumped down because of the hijacked threads. It's that threads that are more interesting to those of us not "in the know" are being bumped down. When the first page is full of games, cliques, and long hijacked threads- it bugs me. I can't stand going through three or four threads that start out interesting to find that they end up with the same people posting the same stuff that has nothing to do with the OP. The threads the hijackers don't like get lost to the back pages much too quickly because of this. And lots of people (like me) don't read past the first page due to whatever (in my case it's time...) so I never see things I might enjoy, and people who post them don't get the eyeballs and replies they might have.

Seriously, jealousy is not the issue here.
 
Tigger&Belle said:
And as a sidenote, not that I'm trying to take this offtopic, either, but it's hardly worth a PM or new thread, but WTH is a nole? I know what a gator is--both tha animal and the mascot.

A Florida State University Seminole! DD is now officially a Nole, so I have to support them whenever I can! :thumbsup2
 
Tigger&Belle said:
For the record, I do understand the frustration with the cliquish hijackings and, with one recent exception, I do regret the few that I've helped take part in. I've never been big on them, at least not in the true sense of the word, but there have been times I've known it was going on and taken part in them. I'm not talking about times that the OP was also taking part, had left the thread, or the thread slowly ventured off topic (or little references like the nole/gator thing that happened).

And as a sidenote, not that I'm trying to take this offtopic, either, but it's hardly worth a PM or new thread, but WTH is a nole? I know what a gator is--both tha animal and the mascot.
Can I answer you without it being thought of a hijack? :confused3

Seminoles are an indian tribe native to Florida. It is also Florida State University's mascot.
 
lillygator said:
but isn't that the point of e mail notification as well as the little arrow thing? I hardly ever use the notification but I just look for the arrow's to know where I've posted!

What I often do is to search my username and find the threads that I have posted on. Perhaps there is an easier way to accomplish the same goal, but this shows what threads I've posted to and I can reply to the ones I want to reply to. I then go back to the CB and see if there are any new threads that interest me.
 
Tigger&Belle said:
For the record, I do understand the frustration with the cliquish hijackings and, with one recent exception, I do regret the few that I've helped take part in. I've never been big on them, at least not in the true sense of the word, but there have been times I've known it was going on and taken part in them. I'm not talking about times that the OP was also taking part, had left the thread, or the thread slowly ventured off topic (or little references like the nole/gator thing that happened).

And as a sidenote, not that I'm trying to take this offtopic, either, but it's hardly worth a PM or new thread, but WTH is a nole? I know what a gator is--both tha animal and the mascot.

A 'Nole is a Seminole, the symbol/mascot of Florida State University. FSU and UF are rivals.
 
Tigger&Belle said:
And as a sidenote, not that I'm trying to take this offtopic, either, but it's hardly worth a PM or new thread, but WTH is a nole? I know what a gator is--both tha animal and the mascot.
The Seminoles are a Native American tribe in Florida. Also the mascot of Florida State University. Hence 'Noles.

From wikipedia:
The Seminole are a Native American people originally of Florida, and now residing in that state and in Oklahoma. The Seminole nation came into existence in the 18th century and was composed of Indians from Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida, most significantly the Creek Nation, as well as African Americans who escaped from slavery in Georgia (see Black Seminoles). While roughly 3000 Seminoles were forced west of the Mississippi River, including the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, who picked up new members along their way, approximately 300-500 Seminoles stayed and fought in and around the Everglades of Florida. In a series of wars against the Seminoles in Florida, about 1,500 U.S. soldiers died, but no formal peace treaty was ever forced on them and they never surrendered to the U.S. government, hence, the Seminoles of Florida call themselves the "Unconquered People."

Today, they have sovereignty over their tribal lands, and an economy based on tobacco, tourism and gambling. "Seminoles" is also the nickname of the athletic teams of Florida State University. In response to the NCAA's proclamation that Native American names and logos will not be permitted by its member institutions unless the namesake tribe concurs, both the 3,100-member Seminole Tribe of Florida and the 6,000-member Seminole Nation of Oklahoma have officially approved the relationship and the details of the images used.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled debate about the hijacking of threads! (:lmao: I slay myself!)
 
buddy&wooz said:
liligator, it's not just about people upset that their own threads are being bumped down because of the hijacked threads. It's that threads that are more interesting to those of us not "in the know" are being bumped down. When the first page is full of games, cliques, and long hijacked threads- it bugs me. I can't stand going through three or four threads that start out interesting to find that they end up with the same people posting the same stuff that has nothing to do with the OP. The threads the hijackers don't like get lost to the back pages much too quickly because of this. And lots of people (like me) don't read past the first page due to whatever (in my case it's time...) so I never see things I might enjoy, and people who post them don't get the eyeballs and replies they might have.

Seriously, jealousy is not the issue here.

so I guess basically it is a matter of annoyance? What bugs some may not bug others....I see tons of those threads that I doubt I would have any interest in but I just bypass them and go to page two or three or sometimes twenty...I guess some just want the pages neat and clean so they can find what they want quickly.
 
I guess the best way I can describe the frustration is if someone went on a clique/game/exchange thread and posted a new topic and a bunch of people came in and started posting responses to them. Sure, the person who is in the clique/group would come back and wonder what the heck was going on...Yes, they could just find another way to find the posts they want to read...but why not just keep the boards running smoothly so that everyone can find what they are looking for with relative ease?

Does that make more sense?
 
FSUMARCHIEF said:
This is, I believe my first ever thread that I have actually started on the CB. I could be wrong, but it doesn't really matter. I don't want to run the risk of hijacking someone else's thread - especially if some of the folks who are my friends happen to read my comments and jump in.

Folks, this is a community board. Think about your section of town, your community, for a moment. Do you know everyone in your section of town? What about on your street? Do you know everyone on your street? We live in a particular section of town that is not gated, but we are kind of on the outskirts, you might say, of a subdivision. We know some of the people that live around us. Most of the people we know well are a part of our church. That is not an exhaustive group. The lady across the street is a good friend - in fact, I did the funeral for her husband about 6 months ago, cause they didn't have a church. We are aquainted with lots of folks in our neighborhood, but to say we're close to all of them would be a lie.

Does it mean that we choose to associate more often with a few folks because we want to be a clique? Heck no! It just means we have more in common with those folks and enjoy each other's company. Doesn't mean we don't like other folks. When new people move into the neighborhood and we are aware of it, we try and welcome them - and invite them to church!

But that doesn't make our small group of friends a clique.

In fact, now that I'm thinking about it - let me use a church example - seeing as how that is the nearest and dearest thing to my heart. In church, whether its large or small, there are small groups. Sometimes those small groups can be bad. People wanting to control things, etc. But take my church for example. We have doubled in size in about 2 years. There are more new people now than there were 'old' people when we first moved there.

There's no way all those folks are going to get to know each other. They are varied in age, experience, needs, interests, etc. What we try to do is to encourage folks to get to know each other - but to also get involved in a small group. It's in the small groups that relationships are built, trust begins to happen, and a deepening of faith can occur. When someone is connected in some way to a small group, be it the choir, a Sunday School class, a women's group, or whatever, the church begins to be a home, rather than just the place you go to worship on Sundays.

That's what we're trying to build - knowing that everyone isn't going to know everyone else. But if they are able to build some relationships, it will keep them from feeling lost in the crowd.

I say all that to say this. This whole issue about cliques on the DIS is crazy. I can't speak for any of the other threads that are clique threads. I'm only a part of one of them - the Maelstrom thread. Are there inside jokes sometimes? Yeah. But that's only cause these folks have been posting together for some months now. There's a lot of funny, silly stories that can come out of months of conversations back and forth. And unless you keep up with it every day, you will miss out.

These threads are not like Soap Operas (most of the time) where you can miss it for a year, and then turn it on and have the people still dealing with the same stuff. Real life moves fast. On the Maelstrom thread, we share silly stories, some more appropriate than others probably, but we share concerns that we have, celebrations that we have. We basically are sharing life with each other. If something funny happens during the day, someone posts it. If someone has had a particularly bad day, they post it. In the midst of all that, little phrases are tossed in that are considered "inside jokes" but its all because we have gotten to know each other so well - at least as well as you can on an internet discussion board.

Has the Maelstrom crew always been welcoming? No. Are we perfect in every way? As Mary Poppins says, we're just practically perfect. We still make mistakes. On occasion.

But here's the thing - if you come on to a thread and feel like you're lost, you have two options.

A. Stick around, post and try to catch up.

B. Go somewhere else.

When a newcomer comes to my church, we share with them all of the small groups that are available so that they can try them all if they wish until they find their place. If we don't have the place they're looking for, we encourage them to make their own place. We encourage all our small groups to be open and welcoming. Are they always? Probably not. Does every person fit into every small group? No! Will they fit somewhere - even if they start their own? Yes.

Folks, if you go into a so called clique thread and you don't feel comfortable, then find another place. I think it is silly to sit around and whine because you haven't fit into every single place on this board. The other thing is, why keep going back? If you feel uncomfortable, why torture yourself by continuing to return to a place you don't really want to be in the first place?

Maybe I'm silly. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm just tired of all the drama. But dadgummit folks, there's no sense in all this. Anyone is welcome to come to the Maelstrom thread. Will it take you a while to get on board with everything? Yeah probably. Will you understand why we're Maelstromers in the first place? Probably not unless you ask. Will you know all the ins and outs immediately? No way! Remember, most of us have been posting together for months. If you come, post every once in a while. Don't be a thread hog and post 50 times in an hour. Ask a question. Say hello. Post a picture that has to do with Vikings. I don't care. If you get ignored at first, please don't think its personal. Perhaps the thread is busy that day. Perhaps it's totally dead and no one is around. Post again, ask the question again. PM someone.

But for crying out loud, don't just sit back and whine.

We have a rule that we have taught our 4 year old son. It is as follows: Nobody likes a whiner. Don't be a whiner.

I come to the DIS for fun, information, and now to stay in touch with the friends my wife and I have made on here. Being a pastor can be a lonely job at times. Often, only other pastors and their families can really understand what it's like to do what we do. But, for whatever reason, God has given us the gift of having met some really nice people on the DIS. We've had lunch with a couple of them. We're meeting a whole bunch of them at Disney in a few months. It has been nice to meet this group of people I call my friends. I like having friends. If you're not the bride of Chuckie, or a crazy stalker type person, I'd like to be your friend. I'd love to tell you about the God I serve and how awesome He is. PM me if you wanna know more.

Let's get over all this clique mess and whining about this and that. If you want to be a part of a particular thread, post on it. If you find that's not the place for you - start your own.

Nuff said.

Blessings!
MarkyMark

I'm not a stromer but I'm driveler and I miss my thread. It was like home and now I don't know what to do with myself. People need to get over the clique thing. I never considered us a clique but we all enjoyed what everyone had to say. And thus made it fun to go on the thread. This is life. I'm not friends or get along with everyone I have ever met and nor do I want to. Dising just isn't as fun as it used to be....:sad1:

Also, it's not like we're starting up useless clique threads on Disney Restaurants or the Budget Board. It's the Community Board! It's how a Community works! They're like social get togethers all day long.
 
momrek06 said:
As someone who posts quite abit but just really willy nilly here and there...can someone explain to me how a thread/post is HIJACKED?

Also, I would like to add that I am on a "dieting" thread on the W.I.S.H. board and it really is about 10 regular people discussing their struggles with weight on a daily basis......would that be considered a CLIQUE?


Let's say that Poster A posts a question about something. Maybe they get a few answers and then several posters come along and start talking among themselves about something unrelated. Sometimes the thread slowly ventures off course, sometimes it's sudden, but before long it doesn't resemble the original topic at all. Sometimes the OP is involved in that, and that's one thing, in my opinion. Other times it's a thread that the OP has left in a huff. Sometimes it's a thread that the OP is still active in and it's basically hijacked. While I don't think that the OP owns a thread, it doesn't mean that someone should come in and take it over with silliness, either.

Your dieting thread could be considered a clique thread.

Thanks for the explanations about the Seminoles! I'll have to ask my 6yo if he knows. I bet he could have explained it to me--if so I'll really be embarrassed. :blush: I'm sure my 12yo could have. :teeth:
 
lillygator said:
so I guess basically it is a matter of annoyance? What bugs some may not bug others....I see tons of those threads that I doubt I would have any interest in but I just bypass them and go to page two or three or sometimes twenty...I guess some just want the pages neat and clean so they can find what they want quickly.
The annoyance became amplified because people just bypassed the clique threads, but then not only did the perpetual threads become more and more commonplace, but the hijacking started and the cliques started spilling into other threads taking the original topic completely off.

I just don't understand why having a sub board for perpetual threads is such a bad idea or met with resistance?
 
poohandwendy said:
I guess the best way I can describe the frustration is if someone went on a clique/game/exchange thread and posted a new topic and a bunch of people came in and started posting responses to them. Sure, the person who is in the clique/group would come back and wonder what the heck was going on...Yes, they could just find another way to find the posts they want to read...but why not just keep the boards running smoothly so that everyone can find what they are looking for with relative ease?

Does that make more sense?
now I'm even more confused...

but what it comes down to is what one thinks is running smoothly....I am not a highjacker that I am aware of and I don't do the games/riddles/etc...MS thread every once in a while but I don't see too much of an issue aside from the ones who don't like the "smoothness"....or maybe those are the only posts/threads I am reading since they would probably tend to be on page one!
 
If there is such a problem with spillover and hijacking, don't you think that would still happen even with a subboard? Maybe there needs to be better moderations so the hijacks don't happen. :confused3
 
poohandwendy said:
I just don't understand why having a sub board for perpetual threads is such a bad idea or met with resistance?

Ok that makes a little more sense...

seriously I could care less about what boards where...people will find a way to talk, unless of course they are banned. But playing the other side...why such strong feelings for a sub board - just so you can navigate the CB easier? I mean I thought the CB was a "catch all" for what didn't fit elsewhere....big deal I have to pass a few game threads or whether T&B cleaned out her PM's...if I don't like I ignore/don't read....what's the big deal that everything has to be moved elsewhere...unless the CB is really for specific topics (which could very well be) - this reminds me of the whole TR board fiasco!

(PLEASE, I am not meaning - you, you - just directed in your direction since you seem to be answering as the "voice"!)
 


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