This whole "clique" thing - a vent - be warned!

poohandwendy said:
I think the bigger issues here are that many people just think there should be a sub board created to house the really long threads because there are so many of them, the smaller threads are being bumped back a fw pages because of it. And also, that people are getting annoyed by some people hijacking threads with their insider banter and taking them off topic.

I think Wendy is exactly right here.
People are tired of
1.) not being able to find many regular posts or having their regular post drop to page 3 in 15 minutes because of all the clique threads being constantly bumped on page one (and also the game/exchage threads)
2.) having threads hijacked by people that are very good friends from clique threads. They often take a thread totally off topic and run with it with a bunch of inside jokes. It has really started to limit the number of threads out there that the average DIS member 'gets' enough to post on.
 
The OP was absolutely right on the money.

Mostly. ;)

People are getting crazy because regular, non-clique threads are being hijacked and turned into private jokes.

And almost everyone I've seen here agrees that the cliques themselves are not a problem. Yeah they take up alot of space, but really, who cares?

It's a VERY small minority - but there are a few people who seem a little jealous of the cliques. Why? I'm afraid I can't answer that because I don't understand it either. I'll take a guess that they were ignored by cliques in high school and took all that baggage with them into their adult lives.

But I digress....

OP, you are right. Stick to your guns my friend. :)
 
Well said MarkyMark... If I don't like a thread, I just don't read it or post on it! No big deal. But it does seem to become more and more.
 
FSUMARCHIEF said:
Alright, I have apparently missed soemthing. What has happened with the hijacking threads? I'm seriously asking cause I don't know. I've seen references to something about drinking, etc., but I honestly have no clue what that is all about.

Nicole Marie - thanks for posting that. I started in, but decided to go to PMs with it because it became a conversation between me and Tarheelfan. But you're right - small groups are at the heart of growing large churches. Rick Warren's Saddleback church in California is a prime example. And it is entirely Scriptural. In Acts, they met in people's homes and broke bread and then gathered in the temple for worship.

Somebody point me to the hijacking stuff, k?

Blessings!
MarkyMark


I think you've missed the crux of the problem. Most people are not upset about the threads they can choose to click on or not. They are upset about the hijacks. I've only seen one on this thread. I don't know how to double quote so I'll paraphrase.

It was something to the effect of "hmm, all this from a nole?" Okay I was reading along, taking in people's opinions and finding it interesting. Then I get to this post I don't understand at all. Since it was just one post, it didn't ruin the thread. Had it been followed with post after post of more references to noles, lots of weird smilies, a few shout outs to certain individuals, invitations to drinks at their place - then you would have experienced what people are talking about. A group of people come in and innundate a thread with their own "club business".

I think subgroups are great (and even necessary) here and at church, but agree with others that you can't allow a subgroup to clog the parking lot or try to make everything fit their agenda - squeezing out all the others.
 

disykat said:
It was something to the effect of "hmm, all this from a nole?"
Actually this wouldn't have to do with a clique at all. The OP (MarkyMark) has FSU in his username, as in Florida State University Seminoles.

I can't believe I am coming to a 'noles defense. As an aside, this isn't a clique comment either. If you look in my siggy I am a member of "The Gator Nation", as in the University of Florida (alumnus in my case), and great rival of FSU. As is lillygator who made the 'Nole comment. ;)
 
Miss Jasmine said:
Actually this wouldn't have to do with a clique at all. The OP (MarkyMark) has FSU in his username, as in Florida State University Seminoles.

Ah, that makes sense - and explains why the comment didn't hijack the thread. Even though it wasn't a hijack, I think the example of how a hijack would work still stands.

Thanks for the explanation!
 
grinningghost said:
And almost everyone I've seen here agrees that the cliques themselves are not a problem. Yeah they take up alot of space, but really, who cares?

It's a VERY small minority - but there are a few people who seem a little jealous of the cliques. Why? I'm afraid I can't answer that because I don't understand it either. I'll take a guess that they were ignored by cliques in high school and took all that baggage with them into their adult lives.
I think people who are talking about jealousy are really not getting what is being said. I am sure there is a small minority of people who just don't like the cliques because they are jealous. But, there is also a small minority of the 'clique' people who are focusing on that too "You are just jealous of us".

No one seems to be listening to what the majority of the people who have a problem with this are saying....it's NOT the cliques, it IS the hijacking, it IS the threads taking up space and bumping other threads back. Those issues have nothing to do with popularity or jealousy. Most people just do not care that there are cliques, only how they are affecting the way the board runs.

That idea seems to be ignored because everyone wants to talk about jealousy and friendships. We (most of us) GET friendships and we are not jealous, k? (that was not meant at you gg, just a general statement)
 
disykat said:
I think you've missed the crux of the problem. Most people are not upset about the threads they can choose to click on or not. They are upset about the hijacks. I've only seen one on this thread. I don't know how to double quote so I'll paraphrase.

It was something to the effect of "hmm, all this from a nole?"

sorry, but I don't consider my post hijacking....I'm a Gator, Mark's a Nole....the wink at the end should provide some insight. I thought it was an excellent post by Mark (even though he is a Nole)....sorry if you don't understand but my post was a direct response to Mark - maybe I should have pm'd him....but in the grand scheme of life who the heck cares people!??!!

This is so high school...
 
Crankyshank said:
When the majority of the posting you do is on a clique thread and just hanging out with the same people, then you really need to start your own message board.

I agree, but I doubt that will happen though. People that belong to cliques like others to know that they are "in the know", they like to get noticed and have an audience. Plus, the CB and all its DISfunction provides a lot of material for the cliques to talk about in PMs and "behind the scenes". :rolleyes:

Through the years, I have seen the various cliques in the CB and it's really starting to get old. :crazy2: Most of it seems so immature and petty, it's actually sad. :sad2:
 
poohandwendy said:
No one seems to be listening to what the majority of the people who have a problem with this are saying....it's NOT the cliques, it IS the hijacking, it IS the threads taking up space and bumping other threads back. Those issues have nothing to do with popularity or jealousy. Most people just do not care that there are cliques, only how they are affecting the way the board runs.

That idea seems to be ignored because everyone wants to talk about jealousy and friendships. We (most of us) GET friendships and we are not jealous, k? (that was not meant at you gg, just a general statement)

so people are getting upset because threads that are being posted in more often thus bumping smaller threads to page 2 are upset? What would that be called?
 
FSUMARCHIEF said:
This is, I believe my first ever thread that I have actually started on the CB. I could be wrong, but it doesn't really matter. I don't want to run the risk of hijacking someone else's thread - especially if some of the folks who are my friends happen to read my comments and jump in.

Folks, this is a community board. Think about your section of town, your community, for a moment. Do you know everyone in your section of town? What about on your street? Do you know everyone on your street? We live in a particular section of town that is not gated, but we are kind of on the outskirts, you might say, of a subdivision. We know some of the people that live around us. Most of the people we know well are a part of our church. That is not an exhaustive group. The lady across the street is a good friend - in fact, I did the funeral for her husband about 6 months ago, cause they didn't have a church. We are aquainted with lots of folks in our neighborhood, but to say we're close to all of them would be a lie.

Does it mean that we choose to associate more often with a few folks because we want to be a clique? Heck no! It just means we have more in common with those folks and enjoy each other's company. Doesn't mean we don't like other folks. When new people move into the neighborhood and we are aware of it, we try and welcome them - and invite them to church!

But that doesn't make our small group of friends a clique.

In fact, now that I'm thinking about it - let me use a church example - seeing as how that is the nearest and dearest thing to my heart. In church, whether its large or small, there are small groups. Sometimes those small groups can be bad. People wanting to control things, etc. But take my church for example. We have doubled in size in about 2 years. There are more new people now than there were 'old' people when we first moved there.

There's no way all those folks are going to get to know each other. They are varied in age, experience, needs, interests, etc. What we try to do is to encourage folks to get to know each other - but to also get involved in a small group. It's in the small groups that relationships are built, trust begins to happen, and a deepening of faith can occur. When someone is connected in some way to a small group, be it the choir, a Sunday School class, a women's group, or whatever, the church begins to be a home, rather than just the place you go to worship on Sundays.

That's what we're trying to build - knowing that everyone isn't going to know everyone else. But if they are able to build some relationships, it will keep them from feeling lost in the crowd.

I say all that to say this. This whole issue about cliques on the DIS is crazy. I can't speak for any of the other threads that are clique threads. I'm only a part of one of them - the Maelstrom thread. Are there inside jokes sometimes? Yeah. But that's only cause these folks have been posting together for some months now. There's a lot of funny, silly stories that can come out of months of conversations back and forth. And unless you keep up with it every day, you will miss out.

These threads are not like Soap Operas (most of the time) where you can miss it for a year, and then turn it on and have the people still dealing with the same stuff. Real life moves fast. On the Maelstrom thread, we share silly stories, some more appropriate than others probably, but we share concerns that we have, celebrations that we have. We basically are sharing life with each other. If something funny happens during the day, someone posts it. If someone has had a particularly bad day, they post it. In the midst of all that, little phrases are tossed in that are considered "inside jokes" but its all because we have gotten to know each other so well - at least as well as you can on an internet discussion board.

Has the Maelstrom crew always been welcoming? No. Are we perfect in every way? As Mary Poppins says, we're just practically perfect. We still make mistakes. On occasion.

But here's the thing - if you come on to a thread and feel like you're lost, you have two options.

A. Stick around, post and try to catch up.

B. Go somewhere else.

When a newcomer comes to my church, we share with them all of the small groups that are available so that they can try them all if they wish until they find their place. If we don't have the place they're looking for, we encourage them to make their own place. We encourage all our small groups to be open and welcoming. Are they always? Probably not. Does every person fit into every small group? No! Will they fit somewhere - even if they start their own? Yes.

Folks, if you go into a so called clique thread and you don't feel comfortable, then find another place. I think it is silly to sit around and whine because you haven't fit into every single place on this board. The other thing is, why keep going back? If you feel uncomfortable, why torture yourself by continuing to return to a place you don't really want to be in the first place?

Maybe I'm silly. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm just tired of all the drama. But dadgummit folks, there's no sense in all this. Anyone is welcome to come to the Maelstrom thread. Will it take you a while to get on board with everything? Yeah probably. Will you understand why we're Maelstromers in the first place? Probably not unless you ask. Will you know all the ins and outs immediately? No way! Remember, most of us have been posting together for months. If you come, post every once in a while. Don't be a thread hog and post 50 times in an hour. Ask a question. Say hello. Post a picture that has to do with Vikings. I don't care. If you get ignored at first, please don't think its personal. Perhaps the thread is busy that day. Perhaps it's totally dead and no one is around. Post again, ask the question again. PM someone.

But for crying out loud, don't just sit back and whine.

We have a rule that we have taught our 4 year old son. It is as follows: Nobody likes a whiner. Don't be a whiner.

I come to the DIS for fun, information, and now to stay in touch with the friends my wife and I have made on here. Being a pastor can be a lonely job at times. Often, only other pastors and their families can really understand what it's like to do what we do. But, for whatever reason, God has given us the gift of having met some really nice people on the DIS. We've had lunch with a couple of them. We're meeting a whole bunch of them at Disney in a few months. It has been nice to meet this group of people I call my friends. I like having friends. If you're not the bride of Chuckie, or a crazy stalker type person, I'd like to be your friend. I'd love to tell you about the God I serve and how awesome He is. PM me if you wanna know more.

Let's get over all this clique mess and whining about this and that. If you want to be a part of a particular thread, post on it. If you find that's not the place for you - start your own.

Nuff said.

Blessings!
MarkyMark

Thank you! I just want to tell you I think this is one of the most intelligent, well written posts I have seen on the Dis in a long time.
 
lillygator said:
sorry, but I don't consider my post hijacking....I'm a Gator, Mark's a Nole....the wink at the end should provide some insight. I thought it was an excellent post by Mark (even though he is a Nole)....sorry if you don't understand but my post was a direct response to Mark - maybe I should have pm'd him....but in the grand scheme of life who the heck cares people!??!!

This is so high school...

:rotfl: Highschoolish... how dare people not know what a nole is! :rotfl:
 
lillygator said:
so people are getting upset because threads that are being posted in more often thus bumping smaller threads to page 2 are upset? What would that be called?
Yes, that is what is bothering many people. That and the fact that many 'clique' people are hijacking threads. Two different issues that are on peoples minds. Not sure what you call it, though.
 
lillygator said:
sorry, but I don't consider my post hijacking....I'm a Gator, Mark's a Nole....the wink at the end should provide some insight. I thought it was an excellent post by Mark (even though he is a Nole)....sorry if you don't understand but my post was a direct response to Mark - maybe I should have pm'd him....but in the grand scheme of life who the heck cares people!??!!
This is so high school...

EXACTLY, and ITA!
 
For an essay about not whining, there seemed to an awful lot of whining about whiners.
 
poohandwendy said:
Yes, that is what is bothering many people. That and the fact that many 'clique' people are hijacking threads. Two different issues that are on peoples minds. Not sure what you call it, though.

I guess my point was - you posted that some aren't listening to what others are saying and its not about jealousy....

poohandwendy said:
I think people who are talking about jealousy are really not getting what is being said. I am sure there is a small minority of people who just don't like the cliques because they are jealous. But, there is also a small minority of the 'clique' people who are focusing on that too "You are just jealous of us".

No one seems to be listening to what the majority of the people who have a problem with this are saying....it's NOT the cliques, it IS the hijacking, it IS the threads taking up space and bumping other threads back. Those issues have nothing to do with popularity or jealousy. Most people just do not care that there are cliques, only how they are affecting the way the board runs.

That idea seems to be ignored because everyone wants to talk about jealousy and friendships. We (most of us) GET friendships and we are not jealous, k? (that was not meant at you gg, just a general statement)

but if person X is upset that their thread is on page two and a faster moving or well posted thread is on page one...isn't that...?
 
lillygator said:
sorry, but I don't consider my post hijacking....I'm a Gator, Mark's a Nole....the wink at the end should provide some insight. I thought it was an excellent post by Mark (even though he is a Nole)....sorry if you don't understand but my post was a direct response to Mark - maybe I should have pm'd him....but in the grand scheme of life who the heck cares people!??!!

This is so high school...

Lillygator, I'm sorry if I offended you by assuming your post was an attempted hijack. Someone already explained the reference to me. I still think that my post gave an explanation of what a hijack might look like, even though it is clear now that your comment wasn't one, KWIM?

I didn't mean to offend you, it wasn't about you, I was simply trying to answer a question Mark asked about what a hijack was.
 
imsorry said:
Thank you! I just want to tell you I think this is one of the most intelligent, well written posts I have seen on the Dis in a long time.
Even if it came from a 'Nole.

Sorry I couldn't help myself. ;) :rotfl2: Bad Gator, bad, bad. :blush:

Anyway, we all come here for different reasons. I have made some really great friends because of THIS board. Some still post here, some do not (but I keep in touch with them in other places). If you think about it, a community is really made up of a subset of groups.
 
Would someone - anyone - who keeps mentioning "hijacking" a thread please give me an example?

If this "hijacking" is such a big problem, can't someone just find me ONE link to follow so I can see what you are talking about?

Also, if folks are so upset about these supposed threads getting bumped to page two or three, why not just post to it and move it back to the top?

I don't mean this disrespectfully, but what's so hard about subscribing to the one's you like and skipping the others? Or just read titles and see if anything catches your attention. I've posted to several threads that way over the past couple of days and have enjoyed PMing some folks I've never "met" before. If a thread has five million pages and I've never read one of them, I just skip it. It doesn't seem that time consuming to me. Maybe I'm missing something? :confused3
 


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