this is such a sad sick world

[Karin1984]

Hmmm you know, now that you mention it, why do we do that? Why is the pyramid on our money anyway?

I googled that yesterday after getting caught in this thread. https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/edu_faq_currency_portraits.aspx

 

[mjkacmom]

I’ll google this. But I wonder what other jobs were available for POC then? Maybe some were happy and thankful. Or they could have hated their jobs like most people do today. But sucked it up, kissed their families, and whistled on their way to work for the white devil.

I imagine British butlers and maids to be in shame for their lives of servitude? Or proud to have people depend on them?

I was a waitress a couple times. Made money and went home.

Have you ever watched The Help?

 

[ramee]

Have you ever watched The Help?

Yes. I thought it was good but admittedly don’t remember much of it. I would watch it again.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Yes. I thought it was good but admittedly don’t remember much of it. I would watch it again.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Yes. I thought it was good but admittedly don’t remember much of it. I would watch it again.

And multiple actresses in that movie said they would change that decision to be in if if they could. It was supposed to be the stories of the Black maids, but instead heavily focused on the White women. Again.

 

[mjkacmom]

And multiple actresses in that movie said they would change that decision to be in if if they could. It was supposed to be the stories of the Black maids, but instead heavily focused on the White women. Again.

I know Viola Davis said that in one interview, who are the others?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I know Viola Davis said that in one interview, who are the others?

Bryce Dallas Howard.
I want to say Octavia Spencer as well, but I can’t find anything when I searched to confirm, so maybe I’m wrong there.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And multiple actresses in that movie said they would change that decision to be in if if they could. It was supposed to be the stories of the Black maids, but instead heavily focused on the White women. Again.

I think largely when The Help gets brought up these days in those context it's that it's not a film, especially if it was the only one you chose to watch, to educate yourself on systemic racism.

I don't know that I've heard that it was supposed to be the stories of Black maids in the sense that people may have thought several years after it came out. It was written from a white person's perspective as she comes into the more aware/adult knowledge of how Black people are viewed and treated including her own maid. I haven't read the book so that's me looking at the movie and it's plot. A main part of the plot was about Black maids and how they were treated but that was still viewed in the lens of a white woman's perspective so to me I wouldn't consider it a film that was supposed to be about the stories Black maids; maybe that's why I would never consider it a film I would go watch if I was curious about how it felt to be a Black maid, or how it felt to be a Black person during that time period, or how it felt to be considered unclean by virtue of my skin color, etc as the perspective it was written in could not have personally felt that.

 

[bavaria]

I agree.

The big difference for me between post WWll Germany and Japan on one hand and post civil war USA on the other was what happened to society in the aftermath.

After WWll the Axis powers were given no choice in accepting the new paradigm with the societal norms of the Allied nations.

In the USA this didn't happen. Although slavery ended it was the beginnings of segregation, a divisive version of apartheid that was still apparent in our lifetime.

Perhaps this "false dawn" explains why the defeated generals remained so well regarded by the populace for such a long time afterwards and why that step change is still being implemented today.

ford family

Wow, you bring up some very interesting points. As you say, the American occupation of Germany and of Japan gave no choice. People had to participate in the reeducation programs, including 'ordinary people' having to watch films of what happened. Yet that didn't occur on that level in the United States. That's a very interesting insight.

On a side note to this topic, not sure if anyone saw that the Japanese are again struggling with having the Americans on their soil. Okinawa is one of the oldest average age in the world. There has been a lot of tension over the years since the American occupation began, but I can certainly understand the concerns right now. I read frustration in the message a Japanese friend sent me, even if she is normally very formal and careful in what she says.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...from-us-after-61-marines-contract-coronovirus

 

[Planogirl]

Wait, cowboy is racist too? You know they still exist and most never did fight Native Americans right? I need that one explained somewhere between the recipes and drinking.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I think largely when The Help gets brought up these days in those context it's that it's not a film, especially if it was the only one you chose to watch, to educate yourself on systemic racism.

I don't know that I've heard that it was supposed to be the stories of Black maids in the sense that people may have thought several years after it came out. It was written from a white person's perspective as she comes into the more aware/adult knowledge of how Black people are viewed and treated including her own maid. I haven't read the book so that's me looking at the movie and it's plot. A main part of the plot was about Black maids and how they were treated but that was still viewed in the lens of a white woman's perspective so to me I wouldn't consider it a film that was supposed to be about the stories Black maids; maybe that's why I would never consider it a film I would go watch if I was curious about how it felt to be a Black maid, or how it felt to be a Black person during that time period, or how it felt to be considered unclean by virtue of my skin color, etc as the perspective it was written in could not have personally felt that.

To be clear, the criticisms of the book and movie have been around since they respectively came out. That is not new. What brought it to the forefront again now is Netflix releasing it as part of their Black education package.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...rrible-movie-to-watch-about-racism-2020-6?amp

 

[bavaria]

And on the note of the American occupation in Germany, it reminded me of my father. In Germany it is very common to have hours long back ups on the Autobahn due to accidents - sometimes 5 or 6 hours. People open their trunk and have a picnic, or get to know people around them. I noticed that my father would often seem to spend time with black American soldiers, speaking English to them and asking about their homes, etc. He said that they often seemed lonely and he wanted to show them another side of Germans.

Of course, racism exists everywhere. I have a second cousin who married a black American soldier, and was disowned by her mother. (I'm not sure if it was because he was black, or because he was American)

My father was probably remembering this from his youth. (I found out after his death that he was a young hanger on of the local 'Swing Kids' during the war, who were also sent to camps for listening to 'degenerate' music made by black Americans)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/magazine/blacks-wwii-racism-germany.html

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

To be clear, the criticisms of the book and movie have been around since they respectively came out. That is not new. What brought it to the forefront again now is Netflix releasing it as part of their Black education package.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...rrible-movie-to-watch-about-racism-2020-6?amp

I didn't say it was new criticisms I know it's not new; I framed it as it was relevant to educating yourself on systemic racism which obviously isn't something that just cropped up last month. Was that really what you got out of my comment then? Thanks I guess..

 

[sam_gordon]

Wait, cowboy is racist too? You know they still exist and most never did fight Native Americans right? I need that one explained somewhere between the recipes and drinking.

I'm starting to wonder if we should just do away with all mascots. I mean, isn't that just safer? If Cowboys or Indians is offensive, then should Patriots be offensive? What about Packers? Don't get me started on the Browns. Celtics? Commodores? Vikings? Warriors? Knights? Colonels? I mean the list just goes on and on.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

"wow" or multiple punctuation marks

How about using more than 3 dots for an ellipsis?

 

[cobright]

Your post, in my opinion, is exceptional. Regardless of whether or not a reader agrees or disagrees with the points you made, I believe no reader could possibly deny that it was respectful, compassionate, and eloquent. The restraint shown on your part, whether a conscious effort or an involuntary reflex, is something I appreciated. There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit just waiting to be picked in this thread, but you chose to put the work in and reach higher. Thank you.

You're welcome.
The closest thing to a perfect compliment is recognizing the effort of some thing as well as the thing itself, it means a lot to me. Mostly because I am not normally a kind person. I don't talk to people if I can help it and when I talk about people I'm usually described as sarcastic, sardonic, or mordant among the more generous appraisals. The internet does not seem to be built to draw out the better angels of my nature. Disney World, and by extension The Dis, is my break from the real world, and so I try my best to be positive. Maybe not exactly 'kind' but I try.

Then this topic swings up and it's just so deeply, thoroughly, a real-world topic. If I'm being honest, if my post was any of what you describe it's a result of effort more than inclination. My disagreement with the OP's message is absolute and expressing that would have been to pen out a vicious-opus.

I'm... I'm just so tired of everyone screaming at each other that I didn't want to do it anymore. I'm seeing disagreements degrade into verbal attacks, and the reports of violent threats and actual violence are starting to hit very close to home, and I'm not going to change anyone's mind by scoring zingers.

 

[cobright]

Still waiting for answers on why crime wave has gone way up in NYC? ... Should we blame COVID?

Crime increasing dramatically is a predictable outcome of unemployment increasing dramatically.

There is no real Aunt Jemima.

I suspect the commenter is referring to a descendant of Nancy Green, the first woman hired to portray Aunt Jemima commercially.

I'm starting to wonder if we should just do away with all mascots. I mean, isn't that just safer? If Cowboys or Indians is offensive, then should Patriots be offensive? What about Packers? Don't get me started on the Browns. Celtics? Commodores? Vikings? Warriors? Knights? Colonels? I mean the list just goes on and on.

There does seem to be a significant pivot towards non-sentient mascot characters. Falcons, Hornets, Tornadoes, Zephyrs, and such. I'm waiting for a more philosophical iteration to emerge. "The Nantucket Zeitgeists take the field...", "Bottom of the first and the Visalia Migraines are really tearing it up."

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I still don't understand why people get bent out of shape about the United States not wanting statues in public squares and parks and such for leaders from a failed attempt at breaking up the country. An attempt that killed at least 600,000 people. An attempt that only lasted like 4 years. Baywatch lasted longer than The Confederacy. Heck, Young Sheldon might end up lasting longer than The Confederacy.

 

[Allison]

Do you also have videos of stores up and down NYC streets that were not destroyed? Do you have videos of the THOUSANDS of peaceful protesters?

I was going to ask the same thing.

It's my God given right to express my opinion,

God has nothing to do with you having the right to express your opinion. That is a virtue of where you happened to be born.

 

[PaulaSB12]

You don't want a statue go to the local government vote on it and if the vote goes in your favour remove it not just have a mob of morons pull down what they want