There are suddenly a bunch of 7DMT FP+ available for November

[PEC]

Just curious; if this does turn out to be a test for no standby, will you come back to this thread to say your dissenters were right? Cuz that would make you wrong.

Wouldn't that be a double edged sword? Will the dissenters come back and say that Cakebaker was right?
Me personnally. Not going that time period, does not affect my trip. IF it proves to be a test will try to find out the results. If not a test then I do have to wonder is there enough data now to release more FP+s during certain time periods?

 

[wisblue]

Just curious; if this does turn out to be a test for no standby, will you come back to this thread to say your dissenters were right? Cuz that would make you wrong.

I can't speak for cakebaker, but I will speak for myself.

As I understand this, a lot of FPs have suddenly become available for 7DMT for 3 weeks beginning Monday, November 3, When I look at the FP+ availability page on Touring Plans, there are still many time slots available for November 3 and every other day I looked at in that 3 week stretch (I didn't look at every single day) except for Sunday, November 9. That availability might be misleading because it only shows availability for a party of 1.

I have said that I think this is just an allocation of a higher percentage of the ride's capacity to FP+ and not a sign of a 3 week FP only test. Based on what happened a few weeks ago at TSMM, would I be shocked if there are one or more days in this 3 week period that are FP only? No. But, I would be very surprised (if not shocked) if the ride is FP only for 3 whole weeks. Especially if the closure of the standby line begins immediately at park opening and lasts all day, completely precluding someone without a FP from riding.

If it turns out that there is no standby line all day at 7DMT for all or most of the 3 weeks beginning this Monday, I will admit that I was wrong. And I won't be happy. I don't mind admitting I was wrong, but, as I said in connection with the TSMM test, I do not like the idea of unannounced, all day closings of the standby line. I would be less bothered by not allowing more people into the standby line when it reaches a certain length because that would not affect that many guests, and it certainly would not affect my family, because we aren't getting into a line that is an hour long or longer anyway. But, philosophically, I don't like denying someone the right to wait in a ridiculously long line as long as they can get on the ride before the park closes.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I may be there to see for myself what is going on next Thursday. If they aren't letting people on 7DMT during AM EMH, I will be surprised, but will quickly turn right and head to Space Mountain.

 

[wisblue]

I would also be interested in hearing reports about how long the wait will be for people who have FPs. There are people predicting here that the FP+ line will routinely be an hour long based on the release of these FPs, and it will be interesting to see if that plays out that way. I hope we get enough reports so we can separate the isolated worst case scenario (which might occur due to a temporary shut down of the ride) from the more normal and expected wait time.

 

[Dallas_Lady]

Why is there a need for people to admit right and wrong? Aren't we all just speculating based on the (very limited) information we have? Can't we all just get along?

 

[tony67]

I would also be interested in hearing reports about how long the wait will be for people who have FPs. There are people predicting here that the FP+ line will routinely be an hour long based on the release of these FPs, and it will be interesting to see if that plays out that way. I hope we get enough reports so we can separate the isolated worst case scenario (which might occur due to a temporary shut down of the ride) from the more normal and expected wait time.

Regardless of my opinion on FP+ and Disney management I can't see Disney setting themselves up to have hour long waits with FP+ in the MK.

I'll be very interested in how this plays out. Right now the standby is 70 minutes (according to the Disney app). They have several months of data and know how many people can ride the ride per hour on average. That data would figure in for breakdown as well, so they can add a fudge factor for that.

Even I have faith that they have a reasonable idea of how many FP+ they can issue without causing crazy wait times in the FP+ line. They do not want you in line for 60 minutes, especially with a FP+

It is also possible they will leave the standby line open and we may see 120+ minute wait times there...but that does not seem like a win for them either

 

[flicx]

Why is there a need for people to admit right and wrong? Aren't we all just speculating based on the (very limited) information we have? Can't we all just get along?

Right or wrong isn't important. It is interesting that all these fast passes have suddenly become available. It definitely has my curiosity peaked. It will be interesting to sit back and watch this all unfold. I just hope for people touring at this time it doesn't become FP only. Oh don't want to forget for the sake of the cast members who will be getting chewed out all day!

 

[Ametista]

Right or wrong isn't important. It is interesting that all these fast passes have suddenly become available. It definitely has my curiosity peaked. It will be interesting to sit back and watch this all unfold. I just hope for people touring at this time it doesn't become FP only. Oh don't want to forget for the sake of the cast members who will be getting chewed out all day!

you mean 'piqued'

 

[Starhart81]

I would also be interested in hearing reports about how long the wait will be for people who have FPs. There are people predicting here that the FP+ line will routinely be an hour long based on the release of these FPs, and it will be interesting to see if that plays out that way. I hope we get enough reports so we can separate the isolated worst case scenario (which might occur due to a temporary shut down of the ride) from the more normal and expected wait time.

I don't think there is any way Disney lets the FP+ line get out of hand (except if it is temporarily closed of course). They had to have learned from previous FP+ tests, and I also think this is not a FP+ only test. Now this is all speculation, but I don't think they do 3 weeks of FP+ only. I think they may have been holding back on how many FP+ they have made available. They may be "testing" to see how these extra FP+ will affect the standby waits. Someone knows what is going on, but it is not me. I will be interested to find out what their plan is.

 

[njpyro]

Hopefully things work out with these new fastpasses. When I made ours at the 60 day mark, mine train was already gone. As soon as I saw this thread, I jumped right on it and was able to get fps for 5 people on our magic kingdom day. Only one time was available, but it works for us. We leave a week from today, so I'll try to post about wait times when I return.

 

[PEC]

Absolutely I will come back on and say we were all worrying for no reason and cakebaker was right. Will cakebaker do the same? There's no accountability.

Agree on the no accountability. Once again that works both ways. I guess whoever is right can brag for whatever that is worth. Don't know if that would really help anybody with their Theme Park attractions and strategies but I guess it is not the 1st time this forum has gone astray and likely not the last.

 

[famy27]

It might be interesting to track what happens to the SB during EMHs (and what the waits have been) and compared that to the SB line in regular hours now, and the SB wait time in regular hours during this three-week period. If the SB lines during EMHs (when there are no FPs available) stay pretty consistent, but the SB wait times in the regular park hours go way up, that might indicate how much extra capacity they are dumping into FP.

 

[wisblue]

It might be interesting to track what happens to the SB during EMHs (and what the waits have been) and compared that to the SB line in regular hours now, and the SB wait time in regular hours during this three-week period. If the SB lines during EMHs (when there are no FPs available) stay pretty consistent, but the SB wait times in the regular park hours go way up, that might indicate how much extra capacity they are dumping into FP.

The problem with comparing POSTED standby wait times is that they might, or might not, be accurate reflections of ACTUAL standby wait times.

If Disney wants to discourage people from entering the standby line, all they have to do is post a wait time of 2 hours, even if the actual expected wait time is close to an hour. We know they have done things like that since as long as we can remember, and still do it to discourage people from entering standby lines as park closing approaches. For all we know, they could be testing that by issuing more FPs and posting inflated standby times. If someone REALLY wants to ride and is willing to wait 2 hours, they'll be let into the standby line. They probably aren't going to complain if they only wait an hour. Just like I didn't complain when I entered a line for the Gringotts ride that was posted at 150 minutes and actually waited 90.

Issuing more FPs would also make it more difficult to predict standby waits because of the inevitable ebb and flow of guests entering the FP line. Just from occasional observation, it seems like the normal, middle of the day posted wait time at 7DMT has been hovering between 60 and 90 minutes, which is down from the summer months when the parks were more crowded and the ride was brand new. Those times are similar to typical posted waits at things like Soarin and TSMM.

 

[BroganMc]

I got a queasy feeling about this as soon as I heard there were so many FP+ dumped in the system. It has been booked solid for weeks. I've been checking.

My brother is headed to Disney this weekend for his birthday. He'll be in Magic Kingdom on Monday and Tuesday. He has a ticket but no MagicBand and no FP+ booked. He's just going to "wing it". I'll ask him to keep an eye out for 7DMT.

It doesn't hurt me directly, but I'll offer the same advice I gleaned being subjected to these FP+ Only tests during my last trip.

1) Go when your FP+ window opens, not in the middle or at the end. You may need the entire hour to get through the line and ride.
2) Don't book a FP+ when it's close to anything else you want to do. Not right before an ADR, nor right before fireworks or parades. You can't assume you'll be in and out in under 20 minutes.
3) Have a backup plan in mind if it is a mess and you decide to abort. Be ready to change that FP+ to something else.
4) Bring a cheery smile and a lot of patience. If this is a test, CMs will be under a lot of stress dealing with the Have-Nots. They'll need a bit of Disney cheer to make their days brighter.
5) Participate in any Surveys they offer. This is your chance to give them feedback. The more people who complain about unpublicized tests the louder our voices can scream at the idiots sitting in their ivory towers planning these things.
6) Book a second day of FP+ so you have a backup if Day 1 goes badly for you.
7) Don't go the first couple days if you can avoid it. That's when these tests have the worst problems.
8) Keep an eye on the Disney boards for news. We'll all know what's happening Monday. Don't expect CMs to know. All the ones I talked to at A&E and TSMM didn't find out there was a trial until a day or two before the experiment. Several didn't find out until they came into work that day. Your hotel and concierge staff won't have a clue.

I really hope for those going this is just a reallocation of more FP+ slots. Unfortunately the last two times booked up attractions had a windfall like this, I personally encountered FP+ Only tests. It's made me cynical.

 

[peaches00]

Cakebaker didn't make any predictions. I said we have no reason to believe there will be testing. I haven't said what I think it is or isn't. As far as a reason to worry- if it happened, would your "worrying" have fixed it?

So, put your mind at rest. Even if there is not test, I wasn't right, no need to come back and say I was. I didn't say there wouldn't be.

I said there's no point in guessing and gumming up a pretty happy thread with gloom and doom. Feel free to come back and brag that you were right if you feel the need. If I'm around, I'll be happy to come back and say, yup- all that worrying over something that did happen....didn't change a thing, but you guessed right. And for that the prize is......

Accountability???? Seriously??? For making guesses as to what an fp+ release means?

Of course there is going to be a test...I'm sick and tired of disney apologists like you trying to make it seem like disney is doing a great job with this new fp+. People are paying a lot of money to go to a park, hoping to get a 7dmt ride and not being able to cuz it's fp only are going to be upset. Especially with all the commercials showing the ride as a must do. Some people save for years and maybe not doing the ride may not literally ruin their trip, they will feel as if they got a raw deal and that's not right. So let disney fight their own battles and as soon as test starts I will be waiting for you to say you were wrong. When the test starts. In November.

 

[wilkeliza]

I would be shocked if they test this one as FP only. They spent a lot of money making an interactive queue. It would seem like a waste to allow that to go unused for 3 weeks.

 

[mesaboy2]

I would be shocked if they test this one as FP only. They spent a lot of money making an interactive queue. It would seem like a waste to allow that to go unused for 3 weeks.

Honestly I would be too. But no guarantees from me.

 

[wilkeliza]

Honestly I would be too. But no guarantees from me.

No guarantee heres either. Disney has done stupider things before.

 

[BigAlsGal]

I highly doubt they are going to be eliminating the standby line the whole month of November. A couple days? Maybe. Weeks of NO standby? I can't imagine.

I'm glad I was able to get a SDMT FP for Nov 23. My only issue is I chose "change the FP experience" on my app so in theory it should have only changed the experience not the time. Well after I chose SDMT as the experience and hit next it changed my 11:30-12:30 BTMRR FP to a 5:15-6:15 SDMT without warning. Luckily it didn't interfere with an ADR so we kept it or I'm sure we could have very easily recovered the BTMRR FP if I wanted but it was just a shock. They need to give you a heads up if they're gonna change the dang time on you.

Just a heads up.

 

[wisblue]

Of course there is going to be a test...I'm sick and tired of disney apologists like you trying to make it seem like disney is doing a great job with this new fp+. People are paying a lot of money to go to a park, hoping to get a 7dmt ride and not being able to cuz it's fp only are going to be upset. Especially with all the commercials showing the ride as a must do. Some people save for years and maybe not doing the ride may not literally ruin their trip, they will feel as if they got a raw deal and that's not right. So let disney fight their own battles and as soon as test starts I will be waiting for you to say you were wrong. When the test starts. In November.

Settle down, there's no reason to throw out the name calling.

How can cakebaker be "wrong" when all she said was that we don't know what is going to happen and there's no reason to get worked up about it.

I may be at the MK next Thursday for AM EMH. You're telling me that I won't be able to ride 7DMT because of this test? Bummer.

 

[Suvadoo]

I would be shocked if they test this one as FP only. They spent a lot of money making an interactive queue. It would seem like a waste to allow that to go unused for 3 weeks.

IMO the interactive cues have been a complete waste of money. Out of the whole SB line there are very few guests who are able to participate in these games. The rest of the line gets to stand there and watch, not very entertaining.
Also the people that are participating, hold up the line while they complete their game. I know this isn't a big deal, but when you're behind these people there's a perception that they're delaying your ability to get on the attraction. I still can't figure out why the disney park execs thought this would be a great idea.