The VGF 2 pricing thread

[rubybutt]

You can always book a Friday/Saturday night and do a continuing reservation, though you’d still need to check out on a Sunday.

Depending on when you go, CCV at least offers runDisney event weeks. So long as runDisney continues operating, you can modify the check-in and check-out days around the special event. That’s why we picked up Week 44/Wine & Dine week. Partly as my husband wants to run the events some day, but also so we could have the flex week over Wine & Food Festival.

If VGF did the run disney GW I would be all over the new points. I tried to talk them into it with RIV but it was a no go. It will probably be the same with VGF.

 

[Lorana]

I always wondered about the extra 10% also. My best guess (and is a complete guess) is they are deeded points held back in case there is a change in the point structure in the future(now) compared to original. If not all 10% are needed they would then just go to the forfeit pile and Disney makes some money off of them. I would say the chances of someone giving up that 10% would be pretty low. Most would cancel and rebook unless the point chart is favorable to them.

Admittedly, the changes in the point charts have been in my favor, making 2 of my weeks less than the initial cost and the third the same as the initial cost, but I had been willing to "lose" those extra points because the weeks I have our prime holiday season, and I did not want to have the hassle of walking, or chance not getting the week I wanted at 8am 11 months out. It's partly why if Reflections comes out, we'll probably pick up week 49. We like visiting in the holiday season, but I really like not having the hassle of trying to get that reservation and being guaranteed to get it year after year. Now, of course, it's even more worthwhile to keep it, since I am no longer paying a premium for those weeks.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

We currently have a March UY at VGF1. If we wanted to buy a GW when VGF2 opens up, is there any correlation between your UY choice and your GW choice? Can I have a March UY and a December GW?

You can pick any guarnteed week but if you choose to convert your week into points, they will revert back to your UY.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Oh, no, you’re right.
hmmm, I wonder if the mistake was made because of 2016? What my guide told me is that they made a mistake when setting the FW prices, as the year they were set, Thanksgiving was Week 46 and it was not realized that was an “off” year, not the week Thanksgiving usually falls on - hence the reason why Week 46 costs 128 and Week 46 costs 118. (He was very clear to me - though of course he could be wrong - that they didn’t average the cost of the weeks over time but based it on the inception costs. This could also be just for CCV).

I used to give guides the benefit of the doubt that they actually know about all this stuff as I started with a knowledgeable one. But I've had a few now over the years and talked with a few more at open houses and it can be surprising what even some long time guides don't know. In most cases it isn't critical but does mean you can get some incorrect info. I have no doubt that the charts were not calculated on the basis of the first year but instead that an average was used.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

We have a September UY but when we bought week 49 at Riviera we had to buy a December UY. I refused and our guide talked to his supervisor and was informed that FW have recommended UY to be sold with them but it is not required. I think FW is a rarity for guides and they just aren’t as familiar with them.

100% what I've been saying the whole time.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

That's pretty sad. You need to reread the post you originally referred to.

DVC boards now just allow people to call others liars?

 

[DVChris]

DVC boards now just allow people to call others liars?

You're not a liar. My experience when I looked into getting a FW at Copper Creek two months ago was consistent with what you described in your post. I have a March UY and the CM definitely encouraged getting a second UY to match the FW. He was familiar with FW and I believe he was trying to help so that we would have enough time to bank the points if we needed to.

 

[princesscinderella]

We currently have a March UY at VGF1. If we wanted to buy a GW when VGF2 opens up, is there any correlation between your UY choice and your GW choice? Can I have a March UY and a December GW?

Here’s my experience buying a fixed week. We have FW 52 at RIV in a standard studio. They wanted me to have a Dec UY to buy it. I have a Feb UY but I was in the process of inheriting OKW points with an April UY. I had to go back and forth with the guide and insist that I wanted the fixed week added to my April UY as I really didn’t want 3 UYs. I had to give my reasoning that I understand that it is outside my banking window for April UY (Nov 30th) if I needed to cancel it but if I canceled it after my banking window those points would go into holding any way and it wouldn’t matter. They accepted that I understood exactly how managing the reservation within my April UY would work and agreed to sell it to me. I did have to fight for it though with about 5 calls back and forth with my guide who didn’t really understand how a fixed week worked, I did however thanks to all the wonderful posters on the DISboards . I also added a small 34 point contract so I could add a Saturday night stay to it if I wanted to or maybe two nights in a tower studio, I think its 32 points right now for a Saturday night so I added two more points just in case. We won’t use the FW for probably 7 more years until the kids have flown the coop, but I love that it’s there when I want to use it. We are thinking of getting a FW too for VGF when they go back on sale maybe for 4th of July week.

 

[Lorana]

I used to give guides the benefit of the doubt that they actually know about all this stuff as I started with a knowledgeable one. But I've had a few now over the years and talked with a few more at open houses and it can be surprising what even some long time guides don't know. In most cases it isn't critical but does mean you can get some incorrect info. I have no doubt that the charts were not calculated on the basis of the first year but instead that an average was used.

I agree that guides don’t always have the correct information and certainly many don’t understand UY. But the average doesn’t make sense for CCV’s week 47 cost. That is the same cost as weeks that cost 107. Over 50 years, from 2017 to 2067, Week 47 is Thanksgiving 42 times. It makes more sense that it would cost 128 points as week 46 days (which is Thanksgiving week only 8 times). While the reasoning why they made a mistake might be wrong, I think it’s safe to say that with CCV, they did make a mistake on Week 47’s FW cost and priced it as if it were the week after Thanksgiving, not the week of.

 

[DVCbie-Jeebies]

This is just wrong. You can have any use year with any fixed week. They don't care. Why make stuff up?

They do care, and a lot actually. Enough that my guide pushed back something awful when I was wanted a fixed week with my same use year. First he said no because a use year has to be a certain month for a certain week. After I pushed back he said it was because I couldn’t bank if I wanted to cancel so DVC was bein’ oh so nice to look out for me! Finally after some back and forth he got “special permission” from his big boss to get me the same use year. Too many hoops and we told him the process was ridiculous. Kinda like your post.

 

[jacec]

Back to gfv

next week feb 3 aul/riv go up in price. I’m predicting gfv pricing and or sales start feb 3

I am hoping Feb 3 good news (along with annual passes back for DVC members)

 

[nuhusky123]

I am hoping Feb 3 good news (along with annual passes back for DVC members)

God yes and annual dvc passes

 

[DisneyMom_3]

I am hoping Feb 3 good news (along with annual passes back for DVC members)

 

[RoseGold]

FW UY doesn't seem to matter. There are lots of FW resale with UYs all over the place, even not what you would expect. There's a week 26 VGF GV, 1,291 points with Feb UY for sale right now on Fidelity haha.

 

[SusieQ93]

Scrolling Instagram and the VGF2 ad is back on my feed (it had switched back to Aulani and Riviera). What does this mean?? grabbing onto any clues as signs of sales starting soon.

 

[Sandisw]

FW UY doesn't seem to matter. There are lots of FW resale with UYs all over the place, even not what you would expect. There's a week 26 VGF GV, 1,291 points with Feb UY for sale right now on Fidelity haha.

That might be old. II saw a report on www.DVC news.com that it was taken in ROFR.

 

[Bjaiken77]

I don’t look at this thread much, but now that we are getting closer, does anyone have an updated price prediction? The poll has been closed for months now. We now know RIV will go to $207. Does that give us any more clarity with respect to VGF2? I know it’s all a guess, but I’m curious.

 

[Nabas]

I don’t look at this thread much, but now that we are getting closer, does anyone have an updated price prediction? The poll has been closed for months now. We now know RIV will go to $207. Does that give us any more clarity with respect to VGF2? I know it’s all a guess, but I’m curious.

There seems to be 2 camps.

One suggests that as WDW’s flagship hotel, VGF2 will open higher than RIV, maybe as high as $255pp. But I don’t see anyone predicting $300pp any more.

The other suggests the price will open the same as RIV, $207pp.

I don’t think there’s anyone suggesting VGF2 will open below RIV.

Some have suggested there might be early discounts to encourage strong initial sales but, if offered, these probably won’t be around for long.

Many months ago, my guess was $210 to $225. I’m now thinking it will open below that.

 

[Bjaiken77]

I guess it all depends on incentives, too. I don’t want to buy a ton of points, but sometimes the incentives make you feel crazy for not doing it. I passed on higher incentives at RIV had I bought more points, and I regret doing it. Of course, that’s always easy to say after you’ve financially recovered from dropping a ton of money.

I need it to be in the $210-$225 range. At that price point, I’m probably a buyer. I’m out at $255.

 

[DKZB]

I guess it all depends on incentives, too. I don’t want to buy a ton of points, but sometimes the incentives make you feel crazy for not doing it. I passed on higher incentives at RIV had I bought more points, and I regret doing it. Of course, that’s always easy to say after you’ve financially recovered from dropping a ton of money.

I need it to be in the $210-$225 range. At that price point, I’m probably a buyer. I’m out at $255.

It’s interesting that the ONLY time I felt that was during the recent AUL / RIV / BWV deal in December but I won’t buy RIV because of the resale restrictions, I won’t buy BWV because of the 2042 expiration and I’m concerned AUL as SAP is a bad idea because we will ALWAYS have to wait to 7 months. If we get decent incentives for VGF and no resale restrictions, I may buy more points than I originally intended.