The VGF 2 pricing thread

[Sandisw]

I haven't noticed many posts about calculations recently.

I recall most posts about it back when they first were offered as explaining the calculations over the years. Since they had done very little adjusting at the time they started offering with Aulani, really nothing much beyond weekends/weekdays, it would mean the calculation would have come out as fairly similar to the week. But you could see the effect of calculating over the years during the weeks that involved the holidays that are not fixed to a week and day within a week. However now they've started shifting points across seasons and have added the two seasons.

Hopefully, someone who has a fixed week can expand and share more. But I do believe @Lorana has mentioned it is for the first year point chart?

ETA. I think this thread has the answer! I forgot about it!

https://www.disboards.com/threads/all-about-fixed-weeks-riv-ccv-aul-vgf-poly-charts.3806985/

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Hopefully, someone who has a fixed week can expand and share more. But I do believe @Lorana has mentioned it is for the first year point chart?

ETA. I think this thread has the answer! I forgot about it!

https://www.disboards.com/threads/all-about-fixed-weeks-riv-ccv-aul-vgf-poly-charts.3806985/

I think you may be confusing the part that the fixed week chart is fixed from inception with the thought that it means it matches the first year of regular charts.

 

[Sandisw]

I think you may be confusing the part that the fixed week chart is fixed from inception with the thought that it means it matches the first year of regular charts.

I Missed this response. Sounds like it’s the same chart plus the 10%.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/the-vgf-2-pricing-thread.3838921/post-63720209

 

[Lorana]

Hopefully, someone who has a fixed week can expand and share more. But I do believe @Lorana has mentioned it is for the first year point chart?

ETA. I think this thread has the answer! I forgot about it!

https://www.disboards.com/threads/all-about-fixed-weeks-riv-ccv-aul-vgf-poly-charts.3806985/

I think you may be confusing the part that the fixed week chart is fixed from inception with the thought that it means it matches the first year of regular charts.

I think VGF2 is going to be our first opportunity to find out, since none of the resorts that offer FWs/GWs have had expansions declared in the same condo unit before. However, the two typically align (inception and first year of charts) - which, presumably, means VGF2 FWs will be the same cost as the 2022 chart. If they come in at the VGF inception rates, though, and initial price is $207 with some good incentives, even I might be tempted to buy a VGF FW!

 

[Sandisw]

I think VGF2 is going to be our first opportunity to find out, since none of the resorts that offer FWs/GWs have had expansions declared in the same condo unit before. However, the two typically align (inception and first year of charts) - which, presumably, means VGF2 FWs will be the same cost as the 2022 chart. If they come in at the VGF inception rates, though, and initial price is $207 with some good incentives, even I might be tempted to buy a VGF FW!

So it does sound like the points for your FW did match the chart published.

I did look back at the VGF chart from 2015 which I think was year 1…the SV studios back then were 125 a week for early December and with the 2022 they are 127 (without the premium)

So, those would not change much if they went back to original charts? But resort studio is the same 127 so we might just do that instead

If the incentives and price are good, we may our plan and just get one since we would be buying with a Dec UY.

Gosh.. I wish they would just announce it!!

 

[nuhusky123]

I can’t imagine dvc would increase riv/aul feb 3 and fail to announce gfv

just a few more days

and if it’s not feb 3 then dvc lacks all reasonable logic and I give up on guessing a date

 

[Lorana]

So it does sound like the points for your FW did match the chart published.

It did. Initial point chart cost for that week + 10%.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I Missed this response. Sounds like it’s the same chart plus the 10%.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/the-vgf-2-pricing-thread.3838921/post-63720209

As I mentioned previously for a lot of weeks of the year that is what it can appear to be because the charts didn't have changes set for upcoming years. If DVC did know they were going to modify the charts then it should have reflected it.

In theory, with no expected changes DVC would probably take a 6 year average for the week in question as I think it would rotate thru most seasonal changes that could occur (with easter perhaps being an exception?).

To better try and outline with an example:

Poly's fixed week chart had both weeks 51 and 52 with contract sizes of 206 for standard view and 242 for lakeview. In 2015 week 51 booked only on points was 175 for standard view and 205 for lakeview. If it were only based on the 1st year charts then it should have been sold as 192/193 points and 225/226 points instead of 206 and 242. Week 52 booked alone for 2015 was 193 standard view and 233 lakeview. A 10% premium on that should have been 212/213 points and 256/257 points instead of 205 and 242.

I could run thru 2015 weeks 12-16 which were sold for the same points and you'd easily see the variance there as Easter floats thru the weeks.

I have never seen where DVC actually outlined how they calculated the fixed week chart but it wasn't just based on the first years normal point charts.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

It did. Initial point chart cost for that week + 10%.

What weeks do you own Lorana?

 

[Lorana]

What weeks do you own Lorana?

All at CCV, weeks 44 (This is actually a runDisney week), 47, and 48, in a Studio Tub. They were all 118 points to purchase. I bought them in 2020 during the crazy summer incentives that year.

 

[Lorana]

Also, as a note, it was my Guide who told me it was based on opening point chart + 10%. Whether that was just CCV or just happened to be that way for my FWs, I don't actually know.

 

[zebsterama]

We currently have a March UY at VGF1. If we wanted to buy a GW when VGF2 opens up, is there any correlation between your UY choice and your GW choice? Can I have a March UY and a December GW?

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

All at CCV, weeks 44 (This is actually a runDisney week), 47, and 48, in a Studio Tub. They were all 118 points to purchase. I bought them in 2020 during the crazy summer incentives that year.

Thanks! So in 2017 when CCV opened those weeks in a studio would have been 107 points, 116 points and 107 points respectively. 118, 128 and 118 at a 10% premium if the 1st years charts were used to determine the guaranteed week. I'd guess the guide was just trying to relay that the fixed week charts were staying the same as when they were first released and not that they were based on the 1st years charts.

 

[Sandisw]

We currently have a March UY at VGF1. If we wanted to buy a GW when VGF2 opens up, is there any correlation between your UY choice and your GW choice? Can I have a March UY and a December GW?

Yes.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

We currently have a March UY at VGF1. If we wanted to buy a GW when VGF2 opens up, is there any correlation between your UY choice and your GW choice? Can I have a March UY and a December GW?

You can but they will probably push you to not do that and would either encourage or tell you it has to be a Dec UY. It doesn't have to be but you might have to push back if that's what you really wanted to do. With the possibility to cancel and bank points your banking deadlines wouldn't be ideal for it.

 

[Sandisw]

Thanks! So in 2017 when CCV opened those weeks in a studio would have been 107 points, 116 points and 107 points respectively. 118, 128 and 118 at a 10% premium if the 1st years charts were used to determine the guaranteed week. I'd guess the guide was just trying to relay that the fixed week charts were staying the same as when they were first released and not that they were based on the 1st years charts.

So, if the chart in 2017 was 107 and the GW was 118, then that is the same as the chart plus 10%.

At least in that case, it did match and I have read other reports they matched.

In the end, for VGF, we will see what happens and maybe get more info to clarify.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

So, if the chart in 2017 was 107 and the GW was 118, then that is the same as the chart plus 10%.

At least in that case, it did match and I have read other reports they matched.

In the end, for VGF, we will see what happens and maybe get more info to clarify.

Lorana bought 3 weeks - all of them required her to purchase 118 points. 2 of the weeks would have been 107 points but the one would have been 116 points on the 2017 charts. That is another display that is was a calculation of averages of some sort when DVC knew the charts would change. That particular change is Thanksgiving dates.

 

[CarolMN]

We currently have a March UY at VGF1. If we wanted to buy a GW when VGF2 opens up, is there any correlation between your UY choice and your GW choice? Can I have a March UY and a December GW?

Yes.

You can but they will probably push you to not do that and would either encourage or tell you it has to be a Dec UY. It doesn't have to be but you might have to push back if that's what you really wanted to do. With the possibility to cancel and bank points your banking deadlines wouldn't be ideal for it.

That would mean an additional / new membership. Wouldn't the guaranteed week have to cost at least the minimum number of points for a new membership? Maybe that's not a worry for VGF, though.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

That would mean an additional / new membership. Wouldn't the guaranteed week have to cost at least the minimum number of points for a new membership? Maybe that's not a worry for VGF, though.

haha - you're right! So many rules. So many complications! And you're also probably right that it won't be a concern for VGF weeks.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

So, if the chart in 2017 was 107 and the GW was 118, then that is the same as the chart plus 10%.

At least in that case, it did match and I have read other reports they matched.

In the end, for VGF, we will see what happens and maybe get more info to clarify.

Since my explanations aren't cutting it:
https://www.dvcnews.com/index.php/r.../2295-grand-floridian-guaranteed-week-details