The VGF 2 pricing thread

[Sandisw]

Since my explanations aren't cutting it:
https://www.dvcnews.com/index.php/r.../2295-grand-floridian-guaranteed-week-details

Thank you and defines it well and helps to “see” it!

Based on this, it does match for week 49. which I hoped it would…assuming this is what is still used! But, I can see that not all weeks follow exaclty!

Now just need the price to see if it makes sense to purchase more than the 100 we were planning.

 

[EYL]

That would mean an additional / new membership. Wouldn't the guaranteed week have to cost at least the minimum number of points for a new membership? Maybe that's not a worry for VGF, though.

We bought a new membership at RIV (new UY) and they allowed us to buy a GW that was worth 130 points. But we had to buy (at least) another 20 points required to total 150 points for a new membership. This was the only exception to the rule that a new membership must have 150 points in the master contract (the contract that ends with XXX.000).

 

[rubybutt]

You can but they will probably push you to not do that and would either encourage or tell you it has to be a Dec UY. It doesn't have to be but you might have to push back if that's what you really wanted to do. With the possibility to cancel and bank points your banking deadlines wouldn't be ideal for it.

This is just wrong. You can have any use year with any fixed week. They don't care. Why make stuff up?

 

[Paul Stupin]

This is just wrong. You can have any use year with any fixed week. They don't care. Why make stuff up?

I don’t think it’s unusual for DVC to occasionally try to steer buyers toward specific use years. There are plenty of stories on these boards.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t think it’s unusual for DVC to occasionally try to steer buyers toward specific use years. There are plenty of stories on these boards.

True but not when someone is already an owner. In those cases, they push the same UY so I think ti would be the same for someone wanting a FW.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

This is just wrong. You can have any use year with any fixed week. They don't care. Why make stuff up?

I'm uncertain if your stating I am making this up? If so I assure you that is not my thing to use the boards to create a false story. I am sharing what might be told to a buyer. Fixed weeks are a weird animal to many guides. Not all will tell a buyer that but it can happen.

 

[Lorana]

Lorana bought 3 weeks - all of them required her to purchase 118 points. 2 of the weeks would have been 107 points but the one would have been 116 points on the 2017 charts. That is another display that is was a calculation of averages of some sort when DVC knew the charts would change. That particular change is Thanksgiving dates.

Actually all three weeks were 107 points in 2017. Week 47 is usually Thanksgiving, but in 2017 it was that rare year where it fell on Week 46. It’s one of the reasons we jumped on it, because it was a bargain (of course that was before the change in Annual Passes made it so that the Sorcerer Pass is not usable over Thanksgiving!).

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Actually all three weeks were 107 points in 2017. Week 47 is usually Thanksgiving, but in 2017 it was that rare year where it fell on Week 46. It’s one of the reasons we jumped on it, because it was a bargain (of course that was before the change in Annual Passes made it so that the Sorcerer Pass is not usable over Thanksgiving!).

Nov 23, 2017 was Thanksgiving (per a google search since I don't recall the dates of Thanksgivings past). Week 47 in 2017 should have been Nov 19-Nov 26th (using a Redweek calendar). Week 46 was Nov 12-19th.

Certainly fair I could have confused as I had also been looking at 2015 for Poly but I just double checked and still come up with 116 for week 47 in 2017 CCV studio.

 

[DVCRad]

True but not when someone is already an owner. In those cases, they push the same UY so I think ti would be the same for someone wanting a FW.

We have a September UY but when we bought week 49 at Riviera we had to buy a December UY. I refused and our guide talked to his supervisor and was informed that FW have recommended UY to be sold with them but it is not required. I think FW is a rarity for guides and they just aren’t as familiar with them.

 

[stwaldman]

Sorry for a dumb fw question (and I know it's slightly off topic) but can you modify a fw down to the days you need, or when your modify a fw, do you have to give up the whole reservation and start fresh. We aren't weekly travelers, but we do travel similar times of year every year, so I wasn't sure if people could "game" a fw into a fixed 5 nights, for example.
I would assume with the online booking tool this is possible, but I wouldn't know.

 

[DVCRad]

Sorry for a dumb fw question (and I know it's slightly off topic) but can you modify a fw down to the days you need, or when your modify a fw, do you have to give up the whole reservation and start fresh. We aren't weekly travelers, but we do travel similar times of year every year, so I wasn't sure if people could "game" a fw into a fixed 5 nights, for example.
I would assume with the online booking tool this is possible, but I wouldn't know.

You need to chat with a CM on the website or call in to have it cancelled as the system won't give you all of the points back. If are then within 11 months you can modify it as you need at that time. You are not forced to keep the FW at all. Approximately 12 months before your FW a CM will look at your account and if it has all of your points in it, they will automatically book the week. The week can be cancelled and the rebooked as desired at 11 months.

 

[Lorana]

Nov 23, 2017 was Thanksgiving (per a google search since I don't recall the dates of Thanksgivings past). Week 47 in 2017 should have been Nov 19-Nov 26th (using a Redweek calendar). Week 46 was Nov 12-19th.

Certainly fair I could have confused as I had also been looking at 2015 for Poly but I just double checked and still come up with 116 for week 47 in 2017 CCV studio.

Oh, no, you’re right.
hmmm, I wonder if the mistake was made because of 2016? What my guide told me is that they made a mistake when setting the FW prices, as the year they were set, Thanksgiving was Week 46 and it was not realized that was an “off” year, not the week Thanksgiving usually falls on - hence the reason why Week 46 costs 128 and Week 46 costs 118. (He was very clear to me - though of course he could be wrong - that they didn’t average the cost of the weeks over time but based it on the inception costs. This could also be just for CCV).

 

[Lorana]

Sorry for a dumb fw question (and I know it's slightly off topic) but can you modify a fw down to the days you need, or when your modify a fw, do you have to give up the whole reservation and start fresh. We aren't weekly travelers, but we do travel similar times of year every year, so I wasn't sure if people could "game" a fw into a fixed 5 nights, for example.
I would assume with the online booking tool this is possible, but I wouldn't know.

You are not allowed to modify a FW. It’s all or nothing. You can within the 11 months cancel and rebook if you want a shorter stay, though there’s always a chance you could lose the booking while rebooking.

 

[stwaldman]

You are not allowed to modify a FW. It’s all or nothing. You can witching the 11 months cancel and rebook if you want a shorter stay, though there’s always a chance you could lose the booking while rebooking.

Good to know, and why a fw probably isn't for us.

 

[DisneyMom_3]

You are not allowed to modify a FW. It’s all or nothing. You can witching the 11 months cancel and rebook if you want a shorter stay, though there’s always a chance you could lose the booking while rebooking.

That stinks!
We prefer to travel Friday/Saturday (depending on school and flight schedules) to Saturday.

 

[Sandisw]

We have a September UY but when we bought week 49 at Riviera we had to buy a December UY. I refused and our guide talked to his supervisor and was informed that FW have recommended UY to be sold with them but it is not required. I think FW is a rarity for guides and they just aren’t as familiar with them.

Interesting that would force an owner to have a new membership. To be fair, I only know of one owner outside of these boards with FW, and it was no problem getting it to match the UY they had. June UY for week in either late November or early December.

Even though we will add our VGF points to our December UY…if I wanted to go with a FW in my Aug UY and they wouldn’t give it to me, it would certainly be a reason to not buy it and just do points instead,,

Of course, I am not sure if I even want it. What I am now more curious about is where do the extra 10% come from. Is the owner is deeded that number of points and they come from total declared? Or are they “extra”?

 

[Lorana]

Interesting that would force an owner to have a new membership. To be fair, I only know of one owner outside of these boards with FW, and it was no problem getting it to match the UY they had. June UY for week in either late November or early December.

Even though we will add our VGF points to our December UY…if I wanted to go with a FW in my Aug UY and they wouldn’t give it to me, it would certainly be a reason to not buy it and just do points instead,,

Of course, I am not sure if I even want it. What I am now more curious about is where do the extra 10% come from. Is the owner is deeded that number of points and they come from total declared? Or are they “extra”?

The owner is deeded that many points (it’s on my deed), as it is the cost of your week (regardless of how many points the week costs in current points) and if you can cancel the guaranteed reservation, that’s how many points/how much ownership you have at the resort.

 

[Lorana]

Good to know, and why a fw probably isn't for us.

That stinks!
We prefer to travel Friday/Saturday (depending on school and flight schedules) to Saturday.

You can always book a Friday/Saturday night and do a continuing reservation, though you’d still need to check out on a Sunday.

Depending on when you go, CCV at least offers runDisney event weeks. So long as runDisney continues operating, you can modify the check-in and check-out days around the special event. That’s why we picked up Week 44/Wine & Dine week. Partly as my husband wants to run the events some day, but also so we could have the flex week over Wine & Food Festival.

 

[rubybutt]

I'm uncertain if your stating I am making this up? If so I assure you that is not my thing to use the boards to create a false story. I am sharing what might be told to a buyer. Fixed weeks are a weird animal to many guides. Not all will tell a buyer that but it can happen.

 

[rubybutt]

Interesting that would force an owner to have a new membership. To be fair, I only know of one owner outside of these boards with FW, and it was no problem getting it to match the UY they had. June UY for week in either late November or early December.

Even though we will add our VGF points to our December UY…if I wanted to go with a FW in my Aug UY and they wouldn’t give it to me, it would certainly be a reason to not buy it and just do points instead,,

Of course, I am not sure if I even want it. What I am now more curious about is where do the extra 10% come from. Is the owner is deeded that number of points and they come from total declared? Or are they “extra”?

I always wondered about the extra 10% also. My best guess (and is a complete guess) is they are deeded points held back in case there is a change in the point structure in the future(now) compared to original. If not all 10% are needed they would then just go to the forfeit pile and Disney makes some money off of them. I would say the chances of someone giving up that 10% would be pretty low. Most would cancel and rebook unless the point chart is favorable to them.