The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[Maggie'sMom]

Most children in the US have a birth certificate. That is a legal form of identification.

It is, but the vaccination site we went to specified picture ID. We used my daughter's passport, but the under 16 crowd is much less likely to have picture ID. I do wonder what they would have done if we didnt have a passport.

 

[kathi]

Our 16 year old daughter also used her passport. Clearly most children do not have photo ID. Maybe birth certification and signature confirmation by a parent/guardian?

 

[mevelandry]

Vaccine News from Canada: Moderna vaccines coming early. Most of my friends (40-45 yo) who were supposed to become eligible today were able to book appointments yesterday. I know it's just a day early but everyone is really happy. Things are moving faster now. This is all very encouraging.

Still no news about the J&J shots.

 

[Maggie'sMom]

Our 16 year old daughter also used her passport. Clearly most children do not have photo ID. Maybe birth certification and signature confirmation by a parent/guardian?

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[anricat]

I was talking to one of my participants in class the other day (I'm a group fitness instructor) and he mentioned that he had spoken with the manager of our gym to bring his mobile vaccination truck to the gym for a day to vaccinate people on site. He said that his company was trying to get their vaccination van to businesses and places where they could vaccinate people who, for whatever reason didn't have the time or resources to go elsewhere to get a vaccine. He said they were reaching out to local businesses to try to bring the truck to lots of different places around town. He said large part of their initiative was to get the truck to underserved populations (our gym is in such an area and in my classes most participants are minorities). He said they specifically would be visiting some places like landscaping companies where everyone may not have an ID (read: may not be legal) and thus they would not be asking for ID to receive a vaccine. Want a shot? Get a shot.

 

[sullivan.kscott]

I was talking to one of my participants in class the other day (I'm a group fitness instructor) and he mentioned that he had spoken with the manager of our gym to bring his mobile vaccination truck to the gym for a day to vaccinate people on site. He said that his company was trying to get their vaccination van to businesses and places where they could vaccinate people who, for whatever reason didn't have the time or resources to go elsewhere to get a vaccine. He said they were reaching out to local businesses to try to bring the truck to lots of different places around town. He said large part of their initiative was to get the truck to underserved populations (our gym is in such an area and in my classes most participants are minorities). He said they specifically would be visiting some places like landscaping companies where everyone may not have an ID (read: may not be legal) and thus they would not be asking for ID to receive a vaccine. Want a shot? Get a shot.

This is awesome! Does he have a freezer so he can pass out Mickey Bars with the shot? Only kind of kidding

What a great gesture.

 

[tink2424]

There have been multiple reports of the EU trying to find a way to play nice with our broken American system. If, by summer ‘22, things aren’t better here, throughout mainland Europe and the UK for our next cruise, and in Japan for you and yours, I suspect we’ll have sorted out the logistics of providing proof. I also really hope that by then proof of vaccination is moot.

The EU so far is not just requiring vaccination. There is a testing method for those who aren't vaccinated. So, I would assume if they won't accept your proof of vaccination you can just get a test 72 hours in advance and use that. So you will still be able to travel.

 

[tink2424]

I will likely wait a while for my children. This is just simply due to the fact that this disease is not typically dangerous for them and these shots are no joke. I have a very very large family and about 50% of them have been vaccinated. Of the 50% not vaccinated half of them have had covid same with the 50% that is vaccinated half of them also had it. This opinion is based on my families experiences alone and there are about 46 of us. I find that reading news articles about these shots maybe don’t cover everything. Also most of us had side effects or reactions but because most of them were not severe they were not reported to VAERS. I’m sure there are tons and tons of these cases. Our reactions ranged from just achiness and chills which is common to severe vertigo and even migraines with vomiting and allergic reactions. Some lasting weeks. In two cases the persons doctors recommended not getting the second shot. It really seemed that the younger the person the worse the reaction. Age ranges for my family that had shots are from 23 to 65. I will wait on real life experiences from people around me who have their children vaccinated and quite some time of data before my children get the shot. Several peoples reactions to the shot were worse than their Covid case. I don’t mean for any of this to increase vaccine hesitancy as I think the shot can save you if you are an adult. Having long term lung or other issues from a case of covid is a terrible fate. I’m just not ready to sign my kids up for this and likely won’t be for a long time unless there are changes to the dangers for children from covid or to the side effects from these shots.

You should still go in an report your adverse effects to VAERS. You can do it now and I would encourage you to have your other family members do it as well.

 

[FLPrincessMom]

This is awesome! Does he have a freezer so he can pass out Mickey Bars with the shot? Only kind of kidding

What a great gesture.

That is great that he is doing that! I will say that we got the Disney cruise line chocolates when we got our vaccines at the local hospital so that was really nice. (I've missed those chocolates!)

 

[JWelch62]

More good news for Canadians. Per AP the Health regulator will authorize the Pfizer vaccine for 12 and up

https://twitter.com/x/status/1389942280585371651

 

[sethschroeder]

I'm about 99.999% sure I know the answer to whether they'll just pivot to a different excuse.

To very clear there ARE reasons to be cautious. There also have been issues people have experienced with other vaccines previously that do put them off. As an example my friends family has someone with a facial droop caused by the shingles vaccine so certain individuals with this personal experience will be more hesitant especially when they consider COVID19 to be less impactful to them/their family.

So why don't you try checking your preconceived notions, understand there are both legitimate and illegitimate concerns, and try building a bridge instead of burning it.

People need to remember NOT everything is 1 or 0. There are degrees to ideas and decisions. The world and the US is also a massively large place with a wide variety of differences. There is a reason why someone in a city with population density of 27k sq/m would sign up day 1 while someone in a more rural area with a population density of 100 or 50 or 25 sq/m would wait. Heck where I grew up you drove 30 mins on country roads to get to a grocery store and we didn't lose the phone "party line" until like 1993 or 1994.

He said they specifically would be visiting some places like landscaping companies where everyone may not have an ID (read: may not be legal) and thus they would not be asking for ID to receive a vaccine. Want a shot? Get a shot.

100% a great reason to not have any ID/Insurance requirements. If the whole purpose of all of this is to get people vaccinated this is absolutely the play in the US. We have enough vaccines to go around and we should be providing to anyone who wants access for zero cost and the most minimal questions as possible to just make sure its safe for them to take.

 

[Mousequake]

To very clear there ARE reasons to be cautious. There also have been issues people have experienced with other vaccines previously that do put them off. As an example my friends family has someone with a facial droop caused by the shingles vaccine so certain individuals with this personal experience will be more hesitant especially when they consider COVID19 to be less impactful to them/their family.

So why don't you try checking your preconceived notions, understand there are both legitimate and illegitimate concerns, and try building a bridge instead of burning it.

People need to remember NOT everything is 1 or 0. There are degrees to ideas and decisions. The world and the US is also a massively large place with a wide variety of differences. There is a reason why someone in a city with population density of 27k sq/m would sign up day 1 while someone in a more rural area with a population density of 100 or 50 or 25 sq/m would wait. Heck where I grew up you drove 30 mins on country roads to get to a grocery store and we didn't lose the phone "party line" until like 1993 or 1994.

Not sure what any of that has to do with people using the EUA as an excuse not to get the vaccine since you never even mentioned it, but I hope it made you feel better to get out. That’s clearly the group I was talking about from the context of what I quoted.

 

[Princess Merida]

Not sure what any of that has to do with people using the EUA as an excuse not to get the vaccine since you never even mentioned it, but I hope it made you feel better to get out. That’s clearly the group I was talking about from the context of what I quoted.

Of my friends and family that have chosen not to vaccinate only a small number have stated they are waiting for complete approval. I do believe those people will vaccinate when the approval comes. The rest of them have just stated they aren’t getting the vaccine for whatever reason (side effects, already had covid, aren’t worried about getting covid). These people will not change their minds with full approval. They’ve made their decision and maybe if it becomes an annual thing they jump on board, maybe not. I just hope enough people vaccinate for normalcy. Covid isn’t going anywhere. This is something we have to live with like the flu. I do find it funny that some I know who are pushing the covid vaccine so hard onto others don’t even get their annual flu shot. Interesting.

 

[Sykes]

Just to be abundantly clear, the current COVID vaccines are very effective at combatting all currently-known variants of the disease, and there is no evidence that the effectiveness has waned over time for any given variant for anyone that has actually been given the vaccine. We believe boosters will be necessary because a) the existing vaccines are somewhat less effective against some new variants and we believe that eventually a yet-to-be-discovered variant will create a significant reduction in effectiveness (especially given the number of unvaccinated individuals who will be hosts to mutating forms of the virus), and b) we have seen some evidence that natural immunity from COVID infection (but not necessarily vaccines) wanes over time, so we believe that the vaccines may eventually do that too.

That is to say that the need for annual injections or other forms of boosters is likely given the available evidence, but is not a foregone conclusion (and would likely be mitigated significantly with less vaccine hesitancy).

 

[sethschroeder]

Not sure what any of that has to do with people using the EUA as an excuse not to get the vaccine since you never even mentioned it, but I hope it made you feel better to get out. That’s clearly the group I was talking about from the context of what I quoted.

You don't understand what it has to do with anything? You basically said anyone who doesn't want to get the vaccine right now will just make up excuses and still not get it.....

There are people who will get the vaccine once fully approved. Just because YOU personally were fine or not fine with the vaccine over X reason others have their reasons.

But yup go back to 1s and 0s and just make fun of anyone not thinking exactly like you and acting like you.

 

[tink2424]

Just to be abundantly clear, the current COVID vaccines are very effective at combatting all currently-known variants of the disease, and there is no evidence that the effectiveness has waned over time for any given variant for anyone that has actually been given the vaccine. We believe boosters will be necessary because a) the existing vaccines are somewhat less effective against some new variants and we believe that eventually a yet-to-be-discovered variant will create a significant reduction in effectiveness (especially given the number of unvaccinated individuals who will be hosts to mutating forms of the virus), and b) we have seen clear evidence that natural immunity from COVID infection (but not necessarily vaccines) wanes over time, so we believe that the vaccines will eventually do that too.

That is to say that the need for annual injections or other forms of boosters is likely given the available evidence, but is not a foregone conclusion (and would likely be mitigated significantly with less vaccine hesitancy).

I don't think we know this. People talk about antibodies waning but that is how the process normally works. You stop making antibodies when you have cleared the infection and then your B cells & T cells take over. From what I have read we should be measuring B cell & T cells to COVID to see what kind of immunity people have. So many don't actually understand the immune system.

 

[Sykes]

I don't think we know this. People talk about antibodies waning but that is how the process normally works. You stop making antibodies when you have cleared the infection and then your B cells & T cells take over. From what I have read we should be measuring B cell & T cells to COVID to see what kind of immunity people have. So many don't actually understand the immune system.

We have seen evidence of this from reinfections, not necessarily antibody counts. It hasn’t yet been thoroughly studied, though, so I agree that it isn’t settled science. Thanks for the call-out—I’ve edited my post to make the ambiguity more clear.

 

[Mousequake]

You don't understand what it has to do with anything? You basically said anyone who doesn't want to get the vaccine right now will just make up excuses and still not get it.....

There are people who will get the vaccine once fully approved. Just because YOU personally were fine or not fine with the vaccine over X reason others have their reasons.

But yup go back to 1s and 0s and just make fun of anyone not thinking exactly like you and acting like you.

You seem intent on being overly aggressive and trying to twist my words into saying that I’m speaking of everyone not getting vaccinated right now.

That is absolutely not what I’m saying. I said very specifically ANYONE USING THE EUA AS AN EXCUSE NOT TO GET THE VACCINE will likely pivot to a different excuse, i.e. a subset of those currently not getting vaccinated. Not all of them. A part. Not the whole. Greater than zero, less than 100%. I’m not sure how I could state that any more clearly.

 

[pjacobi]

Vaccine passport? NO!

But I predict that you will eventually have several different vaccine passports (plural!) Each destination or airline will require a different set of data in paperwork or phone app. It's very unlikely that the US, Great Britain, EU and the rest of the world would ever agree on a common standard. In 5 years, your phone will be littered with a bunch of incompatible vaccine passport apps. It's the new COVID souvenir!

How may frequent flyer apps are on your phone now?


-Paul

 

[sethschroeder]

ANYONE USING THE EUA AS AN EXCUSE NOT TO GET THE VACCINE will likely pivot to a different excuse

Except you don't know that is the case..... There are people that are waiting on actual formal approval of the vaccine.

Not all of them. A part. Not the whole. Greater than zero, less than 100%. I’m not sure how I could state that any more clearly.

Well you said

I'm about 99.999% sure I know the answer to whether they'll just pivot to a different excuse.

Its fairly clearly that you are 99.999% positive that people just pivot to random excuses it seems. Oh and you threw in a very friendly smile for good measure as well.

Done with this back and forth at this point but I am hardly putting words in your mouth.