The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[SailorsWhyf]

I was also vaccinated at a Walgreens in Virginia and did not show ID.

I was vaccinated at a county site in VA. my first shot - no ID check, but for my second there was

 

[jrapps]

This is already a disaster in the making. There is no way to verify the status other than those CDC cards. If another country wants to accept that as enough proof, fine. But some countries may not when they realize how easily they are counterfeited.

The CDC cards are going to be the only option. There isn't enough time to come up with something better, as you said it would have needed to be done months ago. No way to verify 50 separate states, and as many have said sometimes they didn't even take ID or provide more records. The CDC card is all we have. For better or worse, if you are going to require a vaccine, its that or nothing.

I think if cruise lines decide to require vaccines, it will be more of a "request to certify" then "proof" Oh sure, they may ask you to upload a picture of your CDC card. But just like they have you fill out a "medical" form prior to boarding where you say you have not had any flu-like or stomach issues in the past x days, this will be closer to that type of verification. They may use stronger language, like in the event it is discovered that you falsified the card or lied, you will be turned over to authorities, arrested, subject to monetary fines, and banned from DCL for life. Sure you will still get people who lie (just like they used to do if they are sick prior to boarding), but I think the fear of repercussions will make all but the most unscrupulous decide to legally comply.

 

[hrhdhd]

Everyone keeps thinking the US govt will eventually keep a database because Canada and EU is. No they won’t. They can’t because states aren’t even giving the feds access to the data. The White House has said straight up that the federal government will not issue a vaccine credential. Period.

I don't know who "everyone" is, but I never thought the feds would keep a database of a single vaccine.

 

[jiminyC_fan]

Personally, I know of not one person that was not asked for ID.

 

[AquaDame]

I will likely wait a while for my children. This is just simply due to the fact that this disease is not typically dangerous for them and these shots are no joke. I have a very very large family and about 50% of them have been vaccinated. Of the 50% not vaccinated half of them have had covid same with the 50% that is vaccinated half of them also had it. This opinion is based on my families experiences alone and there are about 46 of us. I find that reading news articles about these shots maybe don’t cover everything. Also most of us had side effects or reactions but because most of them were not severe they were not reported to VAERS. I’m sure there are tons and tons of these cases. Our reactions ranged from just achiness and chills which is common to severe vertigo and even migraines with vomiting and allergic reactions. Some lasting weeks. In two cases the persons doctors recommended not getting the second shot. It really seemed that the younger the person the worse the reaction. Age ranges for my family that had shots are from 23 to 65. I will wait on real life experiences from people around me who have their children vaccinated and quite some time of data before my children get the shot. Several peoples reactions to the shot were worse than their Covid case. I don’t mean for any of this to increase vaccine hesitancy as I think the shot can save you if you are an adult. Having long term lung or other issues from a case of covid is a terrible fate. I’m just not ready to sign my kids up for this and likely won’t be for a long time unless there are changes to the dangers for children from covid or to the side effects from these shots.

TBH I might have had pause if my relatives had had issues as well, and I've definitely heard of people being told not to take the second shot if they react poorly to the first. I had a headache from my second shot and did not report it, because I did not feel it warranted being reported. It is listed as a known side effect on the sheet they hand out at the appointment. FWIW mild cases of covid abound and I've read that many believe mild cases do not create a strong antigen response, which may be why folks who have the shot afterwards have a strong reaction, much as the second shot seems gnarlier than the first for many folks. Some are saying that is why India was suddenly hit hard; many folks thought they had it in the first wave and were in the clear, but they did not have a strong enough reaction to keep them from catching it a second time, or perhaps it was another varient...

At any rate I do hope that as time goes on and children around you are vaccinated without issue your concerns are alleviated.

 

[AquaDame]

Personally, I know of not one person that was not asked for ID.

I was asked for it, but I did not have it on me (I forgot my wallet at home). I offered to run home and come back but they gave it to me then and there anyway. Not my proudest moment... the brain fog is supposed to happen AFTER the shot.

Edited to add, this was for my second shot.

 

[jerry557]

Personally, I know of not one person that was not asked for ID.

The government sites seem to be more strict on IDs. The drug stores and random pop-up sites are hit and miss. Some aren’t checking. Laws on this vary by state as well. So not asking for ID may not be illegal. As I said before, some people don’t have a state ID or DL. Undocumented immigrants for example. Children will be a problem eventually.

Depends how strict everyone wants to be with this. My vax record from childhood is a piece of paper with nothing but my name, dates, shots, and the hospital I got it at and the initials of the persons that gave it. You can barely read it today. Ink has faded. Edges torn up. But I wasn’t asked any questions when I went to college and was asked for it. So this stuff was never that strict in the past. If someone wanted to fudge it, they easily could. Now suddenly everyone wants to get super strict with a system that never was.

 

[sethschroeder]

The government sites seem to be more strict on IDs.

The federal government wants your info which is why they are making it a bigger thing likely for them. Certain states specifically make it so you don't need to show any identification.

Now suddenly everyone wants to get super strict with a system that never was.

Luckily various Democrats and Republicans agree that this information shouldn't be collected/consolidated to the Federal Government. Which honestly has no reason to be worrying about individual health records for US citizens. I know that will blow some people's minds.

I am pro-mask (bought my K95 masks in Jan '20) and I am pro-vaccine (have had and my kids have had every recommended vaccination by our doctors).

 

[sabrecmc]

The government sites seem to be more strict on IDs. The drug stores and random pop-up sites are hit and miss. Some aren’t checking. Laws on this vary by state as well. So not asking for ID may not be illegal. As I said before, some people don’t have a state ID or DL. Undocumented immigrants for example. Children will be a problem eventually.

I wonder about the 12-15 year olds that are about to get vaccinated. My daughter has a passport, but a lot of children don't. Will be interesting to see how that's handled. Maybe just the parent's ID? At any rate, can't wait to find out hopefully next week!

 

[sullivan.kscott]

I wonder about the 12-15 year olds that are about to get vaccinated. My daughter has a passport, but a lot of children don't. Will be interesting to see how that's handled. Maybe just the parent's ID? At any rate, can't wait to find out hopefully next week!

Just like a flu shot at (insert pharmacy name or pediatrician’s clinic here), someone will have record. A checked ID, probably not. Maybe for a parent/guardian giving consent. And they’ll likely want to verify insurance at a non state-run site, since they can bill them for supplies and time.

 

[mevelandry]

I will likely wait a while for my children. This is just simply due to the fact that this disease is not typically dangerous for them and these shots are no joke. I have a very very large family and about 50% of them have been vaccinated. Of the 50% not vaccinated half of them have had covid same with the 50% that is vaccinated half of them also had it. This opinion is based on my families experiences alone and there are about 46 of us. I find that reading news articles about these shots maybe don’t cover everything. Also most of us had side effects or reactions but because most of them were not severe they were not reported to VAERS. I’m sure there are tons and tons of these cases. Our reactions ranged from just achiness and chills which is common to severe vertigo and even migraines with vomiting and allergic reactions. Some lasting weeks. In two cases the persons doctors recommended not getting the second shot. It really seemed that the younger the person the worse the reaction. Age ranges for my family that had shots are from 23 to 65. I will wait on real life experiences from people around me who have their children vaccinated and quite some time of data before my children get the shot. Several peoples reactions to the shot were worse than their Covid case. I don’t mean for any of this to increase vaccine hesitancy as I think the shot can save you if you are an adult. Having long term lung or other issues from a case of covid is a terrible fate. I’m just not ready to sign my kids up for this and likely won’t be for a long time unless there are changes to the dangers for children from covid or to the side effects from these shots.

People around us who had COVID had strong reactions to their first (and only) shot. Doctors here recommend to people who had COVID to take one shot that will act as a booster.

 

[soniam]

Question for both, as you're probably in different areas: do you otherwise use Walgreen's for prescriptions? I worked for them many moons ago as a tech through college, and they had a pretty robust computer system then. You should be able to walk in to any Walgreen's in the US and have your vaccine (or any Rx) status pulled up pretty quick.

Mine shows up on Walgreen's website when I login to my account. I don't normally use them and had to create an account to set up the appointment. However, I don't suspect that will be good enough for foreign travel. I was thinking things were looking good, and we had a real chance of doing our Japan trip Summer 2022. However, now I'm wondering if they will let us in without secure proof of vaccination This is why we can't have nice things. So much for doing things that are part of life.

I wonder about the 12-15 year olds that are about to get vaccinated. My daughter has a passport, but a lot of children don't. Will be interesting to see how that's handled. Maybe just the parent's ID? At any rate, can't wait to find out hopefully next week!

They may take a school ID and then the parent's ID.

 

[sullivan.kscott]

Mine shows up on Walgreen's website when I login to my account. I don't normally use them and had to create an account to set up the appointment. However, I don't suspect that will be good enough for foreign travel. I was thinking things were looking good, and we had a real chance of doing our Japan trip Summer 2022. However, now I'm wondering if they will let us in without secure proof of vaccination This is why we can't have nice things. So much for do things that are part of life.



They may take a school ID and then the parent's ID.

There have been multiple reports of the EU trying to find a way to play nice with our broken American system. If, by summer ‘22, things aren’t better here, throughout mainland Europe and the UK for our next cruise, and in Japan for you and yours, I suspect we’ll have sorted out the logistics of providing proof. I also really hope that by then proof of vaccination is moot.

 

[Maggie'sMom]

I wonder about the 12-15 year olds that are about to get vaccinated. My daughter has a passport, but a lot of children don't. Will be interesting to see how that's handled. Maybe just the parent's ID? At any rate, can't wait to find out hopefully next week!

I'm guessing you are correct that they will use the parent's ID if one is required.

It makes me think about our trip to the DMV last week. I don't know how it is in other states, but last week my daughter and I went to the DMV. I needed to get my driver's license renewed (and upgraded to the new compliant version), and we wanted to get a state ID (compliant version) for my 17yo. She has autism, and while high functioning, she won't be ready to drive for at least a couple more years. Her not having a driver's license or state ID has been becoming more and more of an issue, and I don't want her carrying her passport around. For me, I had to produce 2 items that proved my address, but for DD, they had me fill out a form attesting that she was my daughter and lived with me, verified that I was her mom with her birth certificate, and then my two proofs of address could be used for her. So I could see something similar for vaccination sites that required ID for 16+. For under 16, they may ask for the parent's ID and then the parent signs a form for the child.

 

[sethschroeder]

And they’ll likely want to verify insurance at a non state-run site, since they can bill them for supplies and time.

Certain states require no ID and have no insurance checks for covid19 vaccines.

They may take a school ID and then the parent's ID.

Home school wouldn't have a school ID and not sure all other schools have school IDs.

 

[Princess Merida]

My kids only had school IDs when they were in private school a few years ago. We don’t get them for public school here. We are in VA. I’m not sure if this is the same statewide or not.

 

[Intr3pid]

We should see documentation fall in three categories:

#1. Verifiable by a centralized, reliable source, such as a federal/state government (think EU, states of NY, Hawaii, etc., maybe Canada) or a private entity (such as IATA's travel pass)

#2. Verifiable by an on-the-spot receipt (such as the CDC card) that could be susceptible to forgery

#3. Unverifiable or unvaccinated

Businesses will also have a choice of what to require. #1 might be needed at borders or in high-risk congregating environments such as a hospitals, major events, etc. #2 can be forged or tampered with, so the businesses requiring that sort of proof will either be low-risk or can lower the risk through other means.

For #3 and for any instance in #1 and #2 where verification cannot happen, we will have to continue to rely on a combination of testing and restrictions (including masks and social distancing).

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There are states that are doing away with restrictions, but larger businesses in those states are likely more responsible. The last one year of lockdown has taught everyone a hard lesson - and that is, you can't survive another one like it. While cruise lines are generally not bracketed with 'responsible' businesses, they did have a near-death experience. One more misstep, and we are looking at another round of conditional orders.

I think if a cruise line decides to accept only the vaccinated passengers, it will have to require either a #1-style documentation or #2 with testing and restrictions in place. Cruise lines without vaccination requirements will have to rely a whole lot more on testing and compliance with the CDC's requirements.

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We will also end up with tiers of travelers - in line with the documentation categories above.

- Tier 1 (with #1-style documentation) will have the most international mobility with the least amount of restrictions

- Tier 2 (with #2-style proof) will have limited international mobility. Some regions will allow and some won't. And there will always be a risk of the proof getting rejected along the way.

- Tier 3 without any verification (or vaccination) will have to make do with domestic travel - or to countries only requiring testing/quarantines.

At least, this is how I envision things to play out until the pandemic becomes a seasonal virus like the flu - which won't happen until later next year at the earliest.

If a booster becomes a part of the requirements, we might have to create a new tier for those who are fully vaccinated and boosted. I imagine fewer countries or regions will insist on the boosters - but there will be enough for it to be a thing.

 

[Mousequake]

So if Pfizer gets full approval, and I see no reason why they wouldn't, then will the people citing the vaccine only having emergency use approval as their reason to not get vaccinated now get the vaccine? Or will they just pivot to a different excuse?

I'm about 99.999% sure I know the answer to whether they'll just pivot to a different excuse.

 

[Mousequake]

I wonder about the 12-15 year olds that are about to get vaccinated. My daughter has a passport, but a lot of children don't. Will be interesting to see how that's handled. Maybe just the parent's ID? At any rate, can't wait to find out hopefully next week!

I'll be finding out very early next week! My 13-year-old is very likely going to be part of a group of three kids who will be the 'first kids to be vaccinated' in our state. She cannot WAIT.

 

[kathi]

Most children in the US have a birth certificate. That is a legal form of identification.