The star wars spoiler thread

[Budshark]

Interesting... just went looking for domestic number for Wednesday... dropped dramatically to $6.2 million (less than Avatar Day 20 at $6.9).

 

[jade1]

I wonder how many times the name "Avatar" has been written on just this thread alone, then on all the disboards, then in all of the domestic and world print, internet and conversations...Just because of Star Wars?

Its like, oh yea well what about beating Avatar worldwide? Umh you mean the highest standard...cough... the new land at AK?

Hmmm clever marketing for AK Disney.

Then its followed up by the new Star Wars land at DHS as well?

 

[Whatsthegoodword]

I wonder how many times the name "Avatar" has been written on just this thread alone, then on all the disboards, then in all of the domestic and world print, internet and conversations...Just because of Star Wars?

Its like, oh yea well what about beating Avatar worldwide? Umh you mean the highest standard...cough... the new land at AK?

Hmmm clever marketing for AK Disney.

Then its followed up by the new Star Wars land at DHS as well?

Agree! We've talked about Titanic & Avatar in the past few weeks - two movies that a lot of people chuckle at now - a whooooole lot.

 

[jade1]

Agree! We've talked about Titanic & Avatar in the past few weeks - two movies that a lot of people chuckle at now - a whooooole lot.

Yep, and a lot of people are now getting Avatar in their head. Press is press.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Interesting in its first 3 weekends, it would be #1, #12 and #47 of all time opening weekends.

3 weeks to #1 domestic? Holy Moly I doubt anyone predicted that would ever be possible. Hats off to Iger and Disney.

Nah...if you know the pull of Star Wars and it was even "decent"...this is what would happen.

Abrams and Disney did a good job with the secrecy and the lead up...and the movie was a solid effort.

They did right by many. If however...it was out there that is was the safest take - a remake of Star Wars more or less - it may have suffered some.

 

[jade1]

Nah...if you know the pull of Star Wars and it was even "decent"...this is what would happen.

Abrams and Disney did a good job with the secrecy and the lead up...and the movie was a solid effort.

They did right by many. If however...it was out there that is was the safest take - a remake of Star Wars more or less - it may have suffered some.

I must have missed the 3 week predictions to number 1.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I must have missed the 3 week predictions to number 1.

I'm not necessarily saying that...I'm saying that anyone who said it WASN'T possible would be naive.

Now, I think that it's likely to grind to a halt rather quickly now...it isn't likely to pick up a lot of sales through "word of mouth" now..it's a "polarizing" movie if such a thing exists

 

[Budshark]

Some other interesting items related to the depth of story.

Abrams cut almost 30 minutes of near finished product. The original movie was 2:40 after initial cut. During the last month, they completely changed the meeting between Rey and Finn (originally the BB-8 droid-napping incident and Finn - Rey meeting happened on different days).
Entire scenes related to the Resistance relationship with the Republic, Leia's disdain for politics, etc were cut.
A snow speeder chase scene
Kylo Ren sitting in the millennium falcon
More detail on R2D2s rest
A large number of flashbacks including Vader chopping off Luke Skywalker's hand
The alien Rey stole the Millennium Falcon from appearing at Maz's and Chewie ripping off his arm (there's our missing limb removal)
The entire beginning was changed (used to have the falling lightsaber as rumored)

A lot of this remains in the novelization of the movie, and explains all the random toys and missing characters.

 

[wilkeliza]

Some other interesting items related to the depth of story.

Abrams cut almost 30 minutes of near finished product. The original movie was 2:40 after initial cut. During the last month, they completely changed the meeting between Rey and Finn (originally the BB-8 droid-napping incident and Finn - Rey meeting happened on different days).
Entire scenes related to the Resistance relationship with the Republic, Leia's disdain for politics, etc were cut.
A snow speeder chase scene
Kylo Ren sitting in the millennium falcon
More detail on R2D2s rest
A large number of flashbacks including Vader chopping off Luke Skywalker's hand
The alien Rey stole the Millennium Falcon from appearing at Maz's and Chewie ripping off his arm (there's our missing limb removal)
The entire beginning was changed (used to have the falling lightsaber as rumored)

A lot of this remains in the novelization of the movie, and explains all the random toys and missing characters.

There is also the moment where Maz comes with the Finn, Han, and Chewie back to the resistance base and gives Luke's lightsaber to Leia.

JJ said the thing with the toys, books, and even trailers is that they make them before the final cut is done. Then things change in the final cut and the trailer editors who are not apart of the directing team nor are most approved by the directing team just take whatever they like and put it together even it if is cut already.

 

[sachilles]

What is the significance of Luke's mechanical hand at the end? It was repaired in Empire. At the end of Jedi, his mechanical had at least had a sheath that looked like a human hand.

 

[Budshark]

What is the significance of Luke's mechanical hand at the end? It was repaired in Empire. At the end of Jedi, his mechanical had at least had a sheath that looked like a human hand.

If he's alone and in isolation for many years, it's assumed that the covering just wore out. The other thought/option is he leaves it uncovered as a reminder of Vader... But no official word I've seen.

 

[Eoghann]

Some other interesting items related to the depth of story.

Abrams cut almost 30 minutes of near finished product. The original movie was 2:40 after initial cut. During the last month, they completely changed the meeting between Rey and Finn (originally the BB-8 droid-napping incident and Finn - Rey meeting happened on different days).
Entire scenes related to the Resistance relationship with the Republic, Leia's disdain for politics, etc were cut.
A snow speeder chase scene
Kylo Ren sitting in the millennium falcon
More detail on R2D2s rest
A large number of flashbacks including Vader chopping off Luke Skywalker's hand
The alien Rey stole the Millennium Falcon from appearing at Maz's and Chewie ripping off his arm (there's our missing limb removal)
The entire beginning was changed (used to have the falling lightsaber as rumored)

A lot of this remains in the novelization of the movie, and explains all the random toys and missing characters.

This probably explains why at times the movie feels a bit rushed. But, generally deleting is better than not deleting in these circumstances. A lot of that stuff might be "interesting" but extraneous to the actual plot.

 

[jade1]

I'm not necessarily saying that...I'm saying that anyone who said it WASN'T possible would be naive.

OK, then I missed the "even if it's decent its possible it will break the record in under 3 weeks that took Avatar 6 months to accomplish" posts.

So if its really good its possible it could break the record in 2 weeks.

And if its great it could break it in 1 week?

Funny thing is-discussions went on and on if it could even break the opening weekend record.


Furthermore, why didn't episode 1, 2 or 3 break the record? They were "decent".


And if this was all that obvious, why didn't somebody else just buy Lucas and make a decent film to set the record in 3 weeks?

 

[Eoghann]

OK, then I missed the "even if it's decent its possible it will break the record in under 3 weeks that took Avatar 6 months to accomplish" posts.

So if its really good its possible it could break the record in 2 weeks.

And if its great it could break it in 1 week?

Funny thing is-discussions went on and on if it could even break the opening weekend record?

Furthermore, why didn't episode 1, 2 or 3 break the record? They were "decent".

And if this was all that obvious, why didn't somebody else just buy Lucas and make a decent film to set the record?

Most people I saw were saying it would break the opening weekend record and most of the other records too. There were a handful of naysayers at most.

1,2, 3 weren't even close to decent.

You'd have to have sufficient money (not everyone has 4 billion sitting around) and persuade Lucas to sell.

 

[Budshark]

persuade Lucas to sell.

For a long time he didn't want to sell, and wouldn't. Eventually he relented, sold to Disney, and by all accounts, very quickly started regretting it. From what is out there, it was perfect timing and Disney moved very quickly knowing he wasn't at all committed to selling, and then got it signed before he could pull back. Not many companies had the option (infrastructure, cash, relationship) to even come close to achieving it.

 

[jade1]

Most people I saw were saying it would break the opening weekend record and most of the other records too. There were a handful of naysayers at most.

1,2, 3 weren't even close to decent.

Opening weekend was debated, so if even in question-the all time in 3 weeks was never even contemplated-esp if just decent.

Opinion on 1,2 3

 

[jade1]

For a long time he didn't want to sell, and wouldn't. Eventually he relented, sold to Disney, and by all accounts, very quickly started regretting it. From what is out there, it was perfect timing and Disney moved very quickly knowing he wasn't at all committed to selling, and then got it signed before he could pull back. Not many companies had the option (infrastructure, cash, relationship) to even come close to achieving it.

They are amazing all right. Circles back to hats off to Iger and Disney on this.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Furthermore, why didn't episode 1, 2 or 3 break the record? They were "decent".


And if this was all that obvious, why didn't somebody else just buy Lucas and make a decent film to set the record in 3 weeks?

Point 1: NOPE

Point 2: Lucas was still making tons of bucks...he had to want to sell.

Here's my theory:

Lucas was planning on making the follow ups regardless...but probably got a lukewarm reception from all
Involved. It could be bad stories were out there or he had no confidence from his contractual partners...we'll never know.

And...I think he "cut a deal" (yes...go look it up...business insiders he couldn't have gotten 6 bil) to Disney thinking he could have creative control...judging from
All his recent comments something happened after the sale that he has quipped about in the press. Disney said "ok...here's your money...bye"

 

[lockedoutlogic]

They are amazing all right. Circles back to hats off to Iger and Disney on this.

"Amazing" is what you got from his very accurate recap of events?

 

[Eoghann]

Opening weekend was debated, so if even in question-the all time in 3 weeks was never even contemplated-esp if just decent.

Opinion on 1,2 3

Oh please. The whole thing is opinion, including everything you are arguing. Just because it's not yours doesn't somehow invalidate it.