The star wars spoiler thread

I saw it in 3D last weekend and really enjoyed it despite the fact that it walked a fine line between sequel and reboot. I loved all the new heros. Rey, Finn, and Poe were all awesome from the get go. I even really enjoyed BB-8 and Maz, despite being prepared not to. The only really sour note for me was Kylo. I'm glad to see there are others here who felt the same way (I was beginning to think I was the only one). For me it was not the idea of him being an unfinished villain, I just felt he was horribly miscast. When he first took off the mask, it threw me right out of the movie. I hadn't seen him before and all I could think was 'This is what the child of Han and Leia looks like? Um, no.' He unfortunately reminded me instantly of the whiny prince in Braveheart which did not help me take him seriously. I know other people felt he did a fabulous job of conveying being conflicted between dark and light but I just didn't feel it at all. To me it just came across as 'I'm mad at my dad for sending me to Jedi boarding school so now I'm going to the dark side.' I'm going to see it again and hopefully he'll grow on me. Whiny isn't a complete kiss of death (you can't get any whinier than 'But Uncle Owen, I wanted to go to Toshi station to pick up some power converters'). We'll see. It's interesting though that he seems to either really work or really not work for people.

I'm also finding all the attention paid to Carrie Fisher aging like a human being interesting. Especially given that Hamill does not look any less his age and even movie star Harrison is pretty 'scruffy looking' at this point. It seems like a total double standard. I wish the fanboys would leave her alone. She has been so funny and open in the interviews she's given and I think she made a credible General Leia despite being given pretty crappy lines. My fear is that given all the esteem issues she's had, she'll decide that all this isn't worth another million and sit the next movies out. Growing up in the 80's with few strong, interesting female characters, Leia is my Disney Princess. My kids play Elsa and Anna on the playground, I grew up playing Princess Leia. And Carrie Fisher is Leia. And she's still awesome - bikini ready or not.

lol. DH said that Kyloren reminded him of Marilyn Manson in a freakish looking way. Definitely was not what he was expecting, and he thought the same thing - not a great cast.

And I agree about the double standard - so sickening. Hans and Luke are certainly showing their age (Luke especially), yet... no one seems to care about that. I think that she looked amazing considering both her age and the weight struggles she's had in the past. Heaven forbid Hollywood fans appreciate an actor for their ability rather than their body.


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Anakin didn't kill his wife. She died following child birth. Anakin had completely turned to the dark side before she died.
Actually that is somewhat inaccurate. She did die because of Anakin. After the confrontation when she found out who he really was she lost a will to live. Doctors couldn't explain why she was dieing but she died but she died because of him. When the doctors knew she was dieing the performed an emergency surgery to give birth to the kids. So she did not die due to the child birth

As I said before, TFA purposely tried to make you think it could be either Hans or Luke. When I watched it a second time I was actually more convinced it was Hans. But you will be convinced more each time you watch it of your opinion because that's what they intended to happen. But I did noticed this time that when Maz talked to her, she said to Rey when refering to who she was waiting for "those you are waiting for will not come back, but someone else will, Luke will". To me that statement is saying that who she was waiting for (her father) was not coming back (Hans died on the mission) but someone else will (Luke comes back to help...as was implied at end of movie). So the statement suggest that Luke is not her father. Also, I watched episode 3 last night, and a lot of what happens in that episode suggest that it should not be Luke.

They can easily go with either story if you watch TFA in a vacuum. But like I said, we become convinced of one story and we ignore the clues for the other. Licasfilms did this on purpose. There is no way they would have 100% given it away in this film. So anybody that says to that end is blind to any other possibilities. I thought they did an artful job of doing that, making it 100% possible with either storyline. Some claim one would be farfetched, but I certainly don't think either is if you flow the clues closely

One story line I was thinking about was that when Kylo went to the dark side and Hans left, maybe leia was pregnant. Possible Hans didn't know about his daughter and leia hid her just like yoda and Ben his the twins. I still think it's possible Hans did know about her, there was a couple scenes in the movie where I felt like he did know, but maybe (if she is his son) it was just that instinct that somehow he just knew. Could also make a connection why Hans is in next movie, something to do with Rey and people telling her about him

The light saber calling Rey also could be a sign for being lukes daughter , but nothing from a past film has ever suggested that connection (in fact some could argue quite the contrary). Let's not forget that a Jedi has great vision, so one could argue that her power was calling to her. Amc technically, even if she was Hans daughter, one could argue that since it makes her direct line of darth Vader that this is the reason it called to her. (Note - I believe the only Jedi we know of to have kids was Anakin, and this was the direct result of him going to the dark side. If Luke had kids, some would argue the same should have happened to him, especially if they went as bad as they did, but that would be a strange and frankly poor script if that is what happened to Luke - to go to dark side - so to me it makes that story less likely. But again that's because I read the clues they laid out one way as opposed to the other).
 
Actually that is somewhat inaccurate. She did die because of Anakin. After the confrontation when she found out who he really was she lost a will to live. Doctors couldn't explain why she was dieing but she died but she died because of him. When the doctors knew she was dieing the performed an emergency surgery to give birth to the kids. So she did not die due to the child birth).

So do you know if killing someone you love is a stepping stone to strengh/becoming a Sith?
 
Actually that is somewhat inaccurate. She did die because of Anakin. After the confrontation when she found out who he really was she lost a will to live. Doctors couldn't explain why she was dieing but she died but she died because of him. When the doctors knew she was dieing the performed an emergency surgery to give birth to the kids. So she did not die due to the child birth
There's actually theories that she dies because Palpatine drained the life force out of her to save anakin. Not a surety but its a theory at least
 

I was thinking it would be more typical of the SW verse for her to be Kylos sister. Carries more weight than cousin. But I think it might be kind of nice for a Skywalker to redeem a Solo. By Han's math, I think Luke still owes him a couple. :rolleyes1

I think that she looked amazing considering both her age and the weight struggles she's had in the past. Heaven forbid Hollywood fans appreciate an actor for their ability rather than their body.


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Agreed. In my mind it's good to see an actress looking normal.

A PP many pages ago made the comment that it would out of character for Leia to let herself go. I was thinking about it and here's a woman who lost her son. Her husband and brother up and left over it, disappearing into the Galaxy. They were probably the only family she had. biological or adopted (thanks to the destruction of Alderaan). She's trying to lead a resistance against said lost son and his buddies. Probably buried herself in her work (thus, general). I'm thinking she should look her age. :crazy2:
 
I was supremely disappointed with the villain, Kylo Ren. He seemed evil enough, but once he took the mask off, he started acting like a petulant child. He seemed to have way more power than he was capable or deserving of.
 
My biggest issue with Carrie Fisher isn't necessarily how she looked- I actually think she physically looked pretty good, and she'd lost a ton of weight for the role. My issue is that she couldn't move her mouth, and there just wasn't much to her acting because I think she lacked the ability to totally move her face. That being said, I agree with the PP who said they gave her the crappiest lines ever. I hope her character gets more and better screen time next episode. My favorite scene with Leia was at the end when Rey came back after Han died. They didn't even need to say anything, and in that scene, her eyes conveyed all the necessary emotion.

I go back and forth on Kylo Ren. We saw the movie for the third time on NYE, and I didn't like him anymore than I did the second time. I did however, find myself thinking "He doesn't look anything like Han or Leia".

The other thing I caught was Snoke saying it was time to complete Ren's training. So I agree that the petulant child having more power than he deserved observation was the point. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here with Ren.
 
Anakin didn't kill his wife. She died following child birth. Anakin had completely turned to the dark side before she died.

Anakin killed her indirectly. She lost her will to live after seeing what he became, and when he force choked her into unconsciousness.
 
The other thing I caught was Snoke saying it was time to complete Ren's training.

A PP mentioned that they could be going for a dark side version of IV - VI which I think is a really cool idea. Although I am a little scared that with Kylo and Rey both having the obvious next step of needing training that VIII could turn into a reboot of Empire which I will not have any patience for. It's acceptable to me for TFA because it helps bring people in, but the next one needs to move forward. I will not be amused if BB-8 falls into the water and gets tasted by Nessie on some jungle ... er Irish planet or Kylo spends his time running around with Snoke on his back. :sad2:
 
Can't start at 100% or you have nowhere to take the character.

I can't believe how off many people are on this character...

A completely confused, chaotic kid who is manipulated into killing his father by the master of evil but has no confidence in whether it's the right thing to do because his family bloodline is the OTHER most powerful person in the story...

...they really mucked that up, huh?
 
Anakin didn't kill his wife. She died following child birth. Anakin had completely turned to the dark side before she died.

You're both right. Anakin didn't kill her directly - she died, in childbirth, and of a broken heart because of Anakin's actions. Melodramatic? Yes, as were the rest of the crappy prequels.
 
You're both right. Anakin didn't kill her directly - she died, in childbirth, and of a broken heart because of Anakin's actions. Melodramatic? Yes, as were the rest of the crappy prequels.

Please can we stop repeating this particular plot point. It's symptomatic of so much that was wrong with the prequels (weak characterization, melodrama, lack of logical coherence, non-existent motivation). Hearing people recap it again and again is like having nails driven through my eyes.
 
Please can we stop repeating this particular plot point. It's symptomatic of so much that was wrong with the prequels (weak characterization, melodrama, lack of logical coherence, non-existent motivation). Hearing people recap it again and again is like having nails driven through my eyes.

LOL. You're right. It's tough to re-live those crappy movies. ...and the problem is not just that they were bad, but that they had SUCH GREAT POTENTIAL. :(

Disney should have bought Lucas out BEFORE the prequels. :)
 
Finally got to see it with my son. I really enjoyed it. The pace was a bit better than all of the previous movies in my opinion, but still felt like there was more to set up for later movies. No doubt, Rey's lineage is intentionally ambiguous. I really don't think she is Luke's daughter and I don't think she is Solo's either. Snoke, I think is still Emperor Palpatine. We assume he's dead from Jedi. However, I think his appearance is a case of the dark side bringing him back to life, as alluded to in revenge of the sith.
I'd say Leia looked fine for her age, and here acting was fine for the story, though I'd agree her upper lip was noticeable. I'd like to see the movie again. I'm sure I'll pick on more the second time.
 















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