The Running Thread -- 2022

Unofficial poll time. I need some anecdotal experience to help with race selection.
I usually have 1-2 HMs that I race specifically for a PR attempt each year. Prime time racing weather here is December to February. I am running dopey 2023 so I am hesitant to race for a HM PR at the end of my training plan because I need a couple of weeks for full recovery after a HM PR attempt and it would kind of derail training. Even though I generally start running again about a week later, I keep it slow and my legs are definitely not back to normal for a couple of weeks. I feel like January is probably out for recovery, especially after such a big race weekend. So, I am considering a February HM for a new PR attempt. My question is for those who have run Dopey or even a marathon. Would you feel ready for a PR attempt in a HM a month after Dopey? If not, what is your time frame? I hate to feel like I am "wasting" a major training cycle without trying for a new PR but I'm not sure if it is a reasonable thing to shoot for this year.

What's the goal for Dopey? Could you do a Nov/Dec HM as an "A" event in the middle of training for Dopey, but be less concerned about Dopey performance? So if the training is a little derailed it's not a huge deal if you don't have time based goals for Dopey.

Looking at my race record, I've done a HM "A" event within 63 days after a M three times.

-I smashed my marathon PR in October 2015 (first time following Hansons), and then followed that up by smashing my HM PR 63 days later (PR by 7 min).
-I also tried to run an "A" HM 22 days after a M in Spring 2015, and did it about 6 min worse than my PR.
-Lastly, I ran a marathon PR in November 2014 (still on FIRST I believe), and did a HM PR by 2 min 27 days later.
 
Unofficial poll time. I need some anecdotal experience to help with race selection.
I usually have 1-2 HMs that I race specifically for a PR attempt each year. Prime time racing weather here is December to February. I am running dopey 2023 so I am hesitant to race for a HM PR at the end of my training plan because I need a couple of weeks for full recovery after a HM PR attempt and it would kind of derail training. Even though I generally start running again about a week later, I keep it slow and my legs are definitely not back to normal for a couple of weeks. I feel like January is probably out for recovery, especially after such a big race weekend. So, I am considering a February HM for a new PR attempt. My question is for those who have run Dopey or even a marathon. Would you feel ready for a PR attempt in a HM a month after Dopey? If not, what is your time frame? I hate to feel like I am "wasting" a major training cycle without trying for a new PR but I'm not sure if it is a reasonable thing to shoot for this year.
I ran Dopey this year (mostly easy paces except the 5k), and then I PR’d the Princess Half Marathon by a little over a minute (after running the 5 & 10k’s). If I hadn’t run the 5 and 10k’s , I probably would have had a better PR.
 
What's the goal for Dopey? Could you do a Nov/Dec HM as an "A" event in the middle of training for Dopey, but be less concerned about Dopey performance? So if the training is a little derailed it's not a huge deal if you don't have time based goals for Dopey.

Looking at my race record, I've done a HM "A" event within 63 days after a M three times.

-I smashed my marathon PR in October 2015 (first time following Hansons), and then followed that up by smashing my HM PR 63 days later (PR by 7 min).
-I also tried to run an "A" HM 22 days after a M in Spring 2015, and did it about 6 min worse than my PR.
-Lastly, I ran a marathon PR in November 2014 (still on FIRST I believe), and did a HM PR by 2 min 27 days later.
The goal for Dopey is mostly about finishing and not suffering. I don't have a hard time goal as this will be my first marathon and the biggest challenge I have done. However, purposefully derailing planning is just not in my DNA. I am a stick with the plan person to a fault. November is honestly a little early for PR attempts here. You might get decent conditions but you definitely can't count on it. Think W&D temps. We're about the same. By December I will be into the thick of it for long runs for marathon training and it would make me so anxious to need those recovery weeks after a race.

Looking at your race data you have tried an A race as early as 3 weeks and as late as 2 months post marathon with more positive results than negatives. Did you feel like you were recovered and ready for all of those races?
 
I ran Dopey this year (mostly easy paces except the 5k), and then I PR’d the Princess Half Marathon by a little over a minute (after running the 5 & 10k’s). If I hadn’t run the 5 and 10k’s , I probably would have had a better PR.
ok, that is reassuring. Princess falls around the window I was considering for my HM. I will also be doing easy paces for Dopey. It's the mileage that makes me feel like I will need some real time off afterwards for recovery. I haven't done a marathon before so I'm not totally sure what to expect for those first couple of weeks afterwards. I figure I will have a good fitness base coming off of marathon training so I am hoping I can take some time off, use a few weeks to get used to HM race pace and just generally running again, and successfully pull of a PR. This makes me feel like it could work.
 

Unofficial poll time. I need some anecdotal experience to help with race selection.
I usually have 1-2 HMs that I race specifically for a PR attempt each year. Prime time racing weather here is December to February. I am running dopey 2023 so I am hesitant to race for a HM PR at the end of my training plan because I need a couple of weeks for full recovery after a HM PR attempt and it would kind of derail training. Even though I generally start running again about a week later, I keep it slow and my legs are definitely not back to normal for a couple of weeks. I feel like January is probably out for recovery, especially after such a big race weekend. So, I am considering a February HM for a new PR attempt. My question is for those who have run Dopey or even a marathon. Would you feel ready for a PR attempt in a HM a month after Dopey? If not, what is your time frame? I hate to feel like I am "wasting" a major training cycle without trying for a new PR but I'm not sure if it is a reasonable thing to shoot for this year.

I had my best running year ever after Dopey!! I think a PR attempt in February is totally doable, especially if you take it easy during Dopey. I ran Dopey in 2018 and a month later I had a course PR (fastest I've ever run a half marathon in SNOW). I then went on to snag a Half PR in April, a 25K PR in May, and then a Marathon PR in October. It was a good year!

I wonder now if I will ever top that year. I'm hopeful, but I ain't no spring chicken...:laughing:
 
I had my best running year ever after Dopey!! I think a PR attempt in February is totally doable, especially if you take it easy during Dopey. I ran Dopey in 2018 and a month later I had a course PR (fastest I've ever run a half marathon in SNOW). I then went on to snag a Half PR in April, a 25K PR in May, and then a Marathon PR in October. It was a good year!

I wonder now if I will ever top that year. I'm hopeful, but I ain't no spring chicken...:laughing:
Wow, that is quite a year! Thanks for the reassuring response. It's feeling more possible.
 
The goal for Dopey is mostly about finishing and not suffering. I don't have a hard time goal as this will be my first marathon and the biggest challenge I have done. However, purposefully derailing planning is just not in my DNA. I am a stick with the plan person to a fault. November is honestly a little early for PR attempts here. You might get decent conditions but you definitely can't count on it. Think W&D temps. We're about the same. By December I will be into the thick of it for long runs for marathon training and it would make me so anxious to need those recovery weeks after a race.

But what if the "A" race HM is part of the plan? Then you'd be sticking to the plan by doing the "A" HM, and also still being appropriately trained for Dopey. Assuming you're following a three week taper:

1/2/23 - Race Week
12/26/22 - Taper
12/19/22 - Taper
12/12/22 - Peak Week
12/5/22 - Moderate
11/28/22 - Peak Week
11/21/22 - Recover Week
11/14/22 - Peak Week
11/7/22 - Moderate

In my opinion, if you were to do an "A" race and didn't want to disrupt the peak of Dopey training, then I'd aim for the week of 11/7 or 12/5. Those would fall on non-peak weeks. You could also do the week of 11/14, then get a standard recovery week, and still have two peak weeks remaining for Dopey.

Looking at your race data you have tried an A race as early as 3 weeks and as late as 2 months post marathon with more positive results than negatives. Did you feel like you were recovered and ready for all of those races?

The dates of those occurrences are probably important. I did them in 2014-2015. I was only 2-3 years into my running journey, and was just turning 30. Back then I recovered much quicker than I do now. These days, I like to take 7-10 days completely off after a marathon, and then ease back into training. Those days back in 2014-2015, I went from peak training, racing a marathon, and then right back into training (looks like I took 10 days off after the 2015 Fall M).

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I'm not sure I'd respond as well if I tried something similarly today. According to my HRvPace data, it takes me about 42 days to recover and be back in good shape after a marathon. But I also don't know definitively how I'd feel since I stopped racing so close to post-marathon. I guess if I did decide to race close to post-marathon, I'd write the HM in pencil, and then just see how I'm feeling in the days after the marathon.

With all that being said, I don't remember how I felt during either the 2014 Last Call (looks like it doesn't even show up in my large recap I wrote in 2017) or 2015 Madison HM (small blurb with no specifics). I did have a longer recap for the 2015 Last Call and it looks like I was feeling really good. I set then PRs of 1k, 1 mile, 5k, 10k, and HM all within that winter 2015 race only 63 days after the M.

Things proceeded as normal with my own training. On December 6th, 2015 it was time for another race. A half marathon known as the Last Call. I had run the same race the year before in 1:53 (a PR at the time). I was interested to see how I would perform relative to last year. How would the Hansons training pay off for a half marathon after completing a whole cycle and being in the midst of another one. It was a cold cold morning (30s-40s). I remember wearing a long sleeve and shorts. A few middle age guys came by and commented on my choice of shorts. They seemed to think it was a bad idea. We’ll see I guess, as I tend to run hot.

I also decided to bring a new addition to my racing repertoire. For the last 3 years, I had been using some version of a Nathan’s water bottle belt. Initially with two bottles, and then eventually three bottles. But the belt had been giving me a lot of grief. Sometimes the bottles would come flying out during a run. The belt was generally heavy (carrying as much as 30 oz of water around my waist). The bottles also occasionally leaked all over me from behind. So, I invested in a small Nathan’s handheld water bottle with a pouch. I wanted to test this much smaller and lighter option out in anticipation for Dopey. Could I have enough access to water during a race that I could get away with just a single 10oz bottle that I would refill throughout? I had generally refilled the 3x 10oz bottles, but would one single bottle be enough for a marathon? And could I really tell the difference from the weight loss when running?

The race was an out and back, so the strategy was to be conservative through the first half, and then just race as hard as I could through the back half. My half PR from August 2015 was a 1:45 (8:05 min/mile) so I tried to stay close to that in the beginning. I ran the first half in 52:03 (7:56 min/mile).

I was still feeling strong so I decided to open up the legs and see what I could do. A 7:31, 7:08, and then a 6:53?!?!?! LIKE WHAT THE WHAT?!?! I had never run a mile under 7 minutes. Now here at mile 9 of a half marathon was a sub-7-minute mile. But it wasn’t any sub-7-minute mile. It was nearly the necessary pace for a sub-3 marathon (6:52 min/mile). Now granted it was necessary to run 26.2 miles at 6:52 to hit the sub-3, but a single mile was achieved in a race. The pace actually felt somewhat sustainable at the time. It’s possible, I thought to myself. I may actually run a sub-3 someday and qualify for the Boston Marathon!

I finished up the race on a bit of a slow-down (not terribly surprising when you bust out a mile WAY past goal pace). I finished the race in 1:38:49. A new PR by almost 7 minutes in roughly 4 months-time. An improvement of 7%! That’s a huge jump in PR times. But setting a half marathon PR wasn’t the end, it was merely the beginning of another record setting day:

1K - 4:09
1 mile - 6:52
5K - 22:03
10K - 44:36
Half - 1:38:47

Garmin Link

All unofficial PRs set during the Last Call half marathon in 2015. There was little doubt left in my mind that the training I was putting in was seriously paying off.
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.
I'm so sorry to hear that. :(. Definitely need to be careful. Too many people just don't pay attention.
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

I do my best to make eye contact with every car and I can say without hesitation I'm more afraid of the idiot texting than even someone driving drunk. The drunk is likely easy to spot down the road, the idiot texting could just drift into you at the last minute. I also think there are far more distracted texters than drunks out there now a days.
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.
I'm so, so sorry.
 
But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.

My sympathies on the loss of your friend! What an unnecessary tragedy!
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.
I’m so sorry for your loss!

It drives me crazy when I’m out and I see pedestrians on the side of the road with their back to oncoming traffic—I’m way too paranoid about distracted drivers to have them coming up behind me, where I don’t have a chance to see them in time to bail out into the ditch. I wish I lived somewhere with sidewalks!
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.

So sorry for the loss of your friend
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.

Very sorry to hear about your loss! The number of distracted, unobservant, clueless and downright aggressive drivers has definitely been on the rise lately. I've had more close calls in the last 6 months than in the previous 5-6 years combined.
 
I haven’t been posting much lately - but still running.

But, today I lost a good friend - who was hit by a car while out running.

I just wanted to come and make a plea to everyone to be careful out there. So many drivers who just aren’t paying attention. Please just assume they are distracted, and aren’t paying attention. It’s been a tough day.

So sorry for your loss.

I do my best to make eye contact with every car and I can say without hesitation I'm more afraid of the idiot texting than even someone driving drunk. The drunk is likely easy to spot down the road, the idiot texting could just drift into you at the last minute. I also think there are far more distracted texters than drunks out there now a days.

Agreed. I've learned to watch the head of a driver. If their head isn't turned in my direction, I know there's no way they saw me. And you'd be amazed and how rarely drivers scan fully left-to-right.
 
Very sorry to hear about your loss! The number of distracted, unobservant, clueless and downright aggressive drivers has definitely been on the rise lately. I've had more close calls in the last 6 months than in the previous 5-6 years combined.
Unfortunately this isn't just confirmation bias, the number of accidents has indeed increased substantially since the start of the pandemic. :(
 
Very sorry to hear about your loss! The number of distracted, unobservant, clueless and downright aggressive drivers has definitely been on the rise lately. I've had more close calls in the last 6 months than in the previous 5-6 years combined.

I've given up running on public roads, except on small college campuses; they have limited, low-speed traffic. Even then, I keep an eye out for distracted drivers. On the open roads, it got to where I was having to jump in the ditch once per mile. It means driving 20 minutes for a run, but it's worth it.

Stay safe!
 
Had a 10 mile race today, and I didn’t die or come in last 😂🥳😂

It could’ve been a little warmer at the start, but I survived, and set a new PR at 2h 13m 32s.

But by the time I got to the promised Brunch Bar, there was nothing but some breakfast burritos (which I don’t eat) and yogurt and granola (which I also don’t eat) So I had to wait until I caught the light rail back to the Mall of America to find food. I resisted half a dozen sweet treat options until I could get a burger and fries (and an Oreo shake 😋)
 












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