The Running Thread - 2020

I have just stepped up to 10km from 5km and have only run 10k twice ever (in last 3 weeks). I am worried about not getting a spot on the Princess 10k next year as its so popular. This will be my first ever run Disney event, and have gone back and forth about going for half marathon if the10k sold out and doing a mix of walking and running. What do you think? It is a daft idea?

I have run both 10kms in just over 58 minutes, so maybe i could slow the pace right down then walk in the middle for a while until i am ready to run again.

If you decide it is 10K or bust, you could check with a travel agent for a bib+room package before the race goes on sale to the public.
If you are on the fence about the half, I agree that most people can finish the half with slightly more than 10K training, and still have a lovely experience. Even if you ran the 10K in an hour, that gives you 2.5 hours to go ~7 miles. It would be a rather brisk walk at 17 minutes/mile, but most people can make the math work.
 
April Totals:
Running - 65 Miles
Biking - 145 Miles
Walking 46 Miles

Still following PT’s orders and easing my way back up. The good news is I am running with no pain in ankle or hip. The difficulty is patience, I want to run more, but I will continue to follow the plan. The milage will build and I will be read for a POT effort in the fall and Dopey in January.
 

Hello Everyone,

New poster here, been lurking for while. This place has a ton of knowledge and thank you all for sharing it, I hope I can pitch in here and there, or at the very least provide some well deserved congratulations for all the hard work you folks are putting in. I also really like the idea of having some place to post my monthly miles as a motivation tool

I have never run a run Disney event, and was/am targeting the Marathon in January. I have been changing my mind daily on if signing up for the marathon is the right thing to do. A Half marathon is the longest race I ever done, but have not done once since 2017, and that one was rather slow. Working on getting my mileage back up my April total was:

89 miles at a 12.07 pace

Knowing no one really knows the answer to this question, what do you think events will look like when they start up again?

For smaller distance races like a 5K I can see the removal of aid stations, 10K I can see maybe just a table at the 1/2 point with water bottles on it. Something similar for a half and full, but with some Gatorade/Poweraid bottles out on the course as well.

For Disney events I am assuming that character photos are going to be gone for the time being, is there anything else that would likely be removed from the experience given the current situation?

My main hesitation with signing up for the marathon is that it likely will not be the full Disney experience. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are, that have experiences with Run Disney events, on what you think the event will look like come the fall, once again knowing all any of us are doing is guessing.

Thank you
 
Hello Everyone,

New poster here, been lurking for while. This place has a ton of knowledge and thank you all for sharing it, I hope I can pitch in here and there, or at the very least provide some well deserved congratulations for all the hard work you folks are putting in. I also really like the idea of having some place to post my monthly miles as a motivation tool

I have never run a run Disney event, and was/am targeting the Marathon in January. I have been changing my mind daily on if signing up for the marathon is the right thing to do. A Half marathon is the longest race I ever done, but have not done once since 2017, and that one was rather slow. Working on getting my mileage back up my April total was:

89 miles at a 12.07 pace

Knowing no one really knows the answer to this question, what do you think events will look like when they start up again?

For smaller distance races like a 5K I can see the removal of aid stations, 10K I can see maybe just a table at the 1/2 point with water bottles on it. Something similar for a half and full, but with some Gatorade/Poweraid bottles out on the course as well.

For Disney events I am assuming that character photos are going to be gone for the time being, is there anything else that would likely be removed from the experience given the current situation?

My main hesitation with signing up for the marathon is that it likely will not be the full Disney experience. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are, that have experiences with Run Disney events, on what you think the event will look like come the fall, once again knowing all any of us are doing is guessing.

Thank you
My main concern would be that masks would be required and if you get one of the hot a humid race days, running with a mask would be tough. If you get one of the races in the 30’s a mask might be a welcome addition.

I think you will get the full experience if they do the race. They will still have to have volunteers out there to clean up the aid stations because people are slobs. They need the medical tents. If they changed character stops they might have them on a platform or something and people would stand in front of them for pics would be my guess.

I just see a huge spike next fall and winter so I just think masks will most definitely be a requirement. Also, if you have ever done a runDisney race you won’t know what the full race experience is like anyway so you might not notice if they did change things much, aside from obvious things like masks and platforms for characters, for example. I think the Expo would be different for sure. Maybe limiting the amount of people in at once. This could mean long, long waits just to pick up bibs and stuff.

Personally, I’ll be staying away from WDW til this is over. I see no way they can keep the place clean or enforce the social distancing. They can’t even get guys to wash their hands after they go to the bathroom. :rolleyes:
 
There are races out there that are cupless, that require you to bring your own cup/bottle. I believe some of the special cups clip onto your shorts or whatever. I believe these races have water coolers with an easy open spout to get water. I'm not sure that this would work for a large race, but maybe they could have volunteers pouring water/powerade. Maybe have enough bottles for the elites. This really isn't conducive to anyone trying to PR. I'm still not sure that this would work for a large race, but it could be an option for smaller races.
 
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There are races out there that are cupless, that require you to bring you own cup/bottle. I believe some of the special cups clip onto your shorts or whatever. I believe these races have water coolers with an easy open spout to get water. I'm not sure that this would work for a large race, but maybe they could have volunteers pouring water/powerade. Maybe have enough bottles for the elites. This really isn't conducive to anyone trying to PR. I'm still not sure that this would work for a large race, but it could be an option for smaller races.

Last year (I think) the London Marathon tried an experiment with water in biodegradable alginate balls. I wonder if we could see those emerge as a viable option for aid stations in the future. They could be provided in trays, so that you would only need a volunteer or two at each aid station behind the tables just working to swap fresh trays in without runner contact. That would also remove the need for the trash pickup volunteers in charge of corralling the used cups.
 
April Totals
Miles: 102 miles
Avg Pace: 9'44

The last of my spring races was officially canceled on Monday. As a result, in an effort to give myself fun motivation to go long distance, I downloaded Pokemon Go. So far, I've gotten pretty good at flicking the Pokeball without breaking stride.
You get a weekly reward for burning a lot of calories. It's a fun game. Keep your eye out, you'll spot other players and you can make friends in the community. Some are also fellow runners and parents.
 
Hello Everyone,

New poster here, been lurking for while. This place has a ton of knowledge and thank you all for sharing it, I hope I can pitch in here and there, or at the very least provide some well deserved congratulations for all the hard work you folks are putting in. I also really like the idea of having some place to post my monthly miles as a motivation tool

I have never run a run Disney event, and was/am targeting the Marathon in January. I have been changing my mind daily on if signing up for the marathon is the right thing to do. A Half marathon is the longest race I ever done, but have not done once since 2017, and that one was rather slow. Working on getting my mileage back up my April total was:

89 miles at a 12.07 pace

Knowing no one really knows the answer to this question, what do you think events will look like when they start up again?

For smaller distance races like a 5K I can see the removal of aid stations, 10K I can see maybe just a table at the 1/2 point with water bottles on it. Something similar for a half and full, but with some Gatorade/Poweraid bottles out on the course as well.

For Disney events I am assuming that character photos are going to be gone for the time being, is there anything else that would likely be removed from the experience given the current situation?

My main hesitation with signing up for the marathon is that it likely will not be the full Disney experience. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are, that have experiences with Run Disney events, on what you think the event will look like come the fall, once again knowing all any of us are doing is guessing.

Thank you

First off, welcome out of lurkdom! I hope you stick around and enjoy being an active member of the community.

Second, way to start off with arguably the hardest QOTD I've seen in the 4.5 years since I've been active on the forum! Quite literally, if I could answer this question well, then it would be because they were paying me the big bucks. And even then, I'll probably still not get it completely right or have complete confidence in what I was doing. When I step back and think it's only been 58 days since the US had over 500 total positive cases of the virus per Worldometer and the testing conditions at that moment in time (3/7/20). It seems like so much has occurred since then, as well as so much is yet to have occurred before the first runDisney race happens. So suffice to say my opinion today very likely may not be indicative of my opinion a day, week, month, or year from now. We're still in the midst of the infancy of knowledge about what we're even dealing with.

If I were a race director (which I am not), then the following is how I would approach your question. First, I'm making the assumption the event is occurring since the wording of the question is "when they start up again". But to be fair, I've got no idea which runDisney race will be that first event (Wine and Dine 2020, MW 2021, Princess 2021, SW 2021, etc.) back up and running again. I think at the heart of an event like runDisney is the question of virus transmissibility. While other aspects/characteristics of the virus are relevant for a variety of reasons, when putting on an event like a road race and all the ancillary things that go with it, you have to look at how the virus transmits from one person to the next in order to dictate the changes I'd make to what was a previously normal runDisney race weekend. Some of these questions surrounding transmissibility may have been answered and some may have not at this moment in time. I assuredly have not read all of the literature around this virus, nor has everything been researched at this moment in time. But I'd go through and evaluate all the circumstances in which people come into contact with each other due to my event occurring.

So what kind of circumstances make the transmissibility of the virus increase or decrease?

-Is there a difference between indoor/outdoor? At this point based on the research I've read, it would seem outbreaks are more likely to occur (or at least be attributed to) indoor settings than outdoor ones. Does that mean an outdoor transmission couldn't occur? No. Only simply that indoor situations seem to be more likely.

-Is the virus more easily spread through airborne transmission or contact transmission? If I'm in the room with an asymptomatic person, then am I more likely to get the virus if I'm closer to them or if I touch an object they touch. Can I even get the virus from touching an object they touch? While the virus may live on different surfaces for X amount of time, at what point does it become no longer transmissible? If it's more so airborne transmission, then how long does the virus survive in the air and is still capable of infecting? How close to someone does someone have to be when they breathe? Does the closer I get to someone dramatically increase the odds of infection? If I breathe harder, does that make the virus transmit at a higher rate, or travel further? Does deep breathing in my lungs make a difference? Can someone traveling in my wake in an indoor/outdoor setting be enough for transmissibility?

-Once I have a positive antibody test for the virus, do I have immunity from the virus? And if so, for how long? Is this virus like the coronaviruses that cause the common cold which commonly grants immunity for a year, or is this like SARS/MERS which have a much less defined and unknown time scale of immunity.

-Once I've been exposed to the virus and it has infected me, how quickly do I become capable of transmission? Is it on the order of minutes, hours, 1 day, several days? What's the average and median for the general exposed population for this value? What's the fastest timeframe recorded?

-How much does time matter? It would stand to reason that the longer you're in the presence of an infected person the more likely you are to catch it.

-How much do masks help in minimizing the effects of everything discussed in prior questions? Will a new mask be invented for runners that both offers an ease to use while running, but still offer substantial benefits in terms of protection for self and others? Are there new prophylactic treatments or a vaccine available by the time my race is occurring? Has a new virus test been invented that reduces the testing time to virtually instantaneous that's non-invasive?


So what makes up a normal runDisney race weekend?

-Registration months in advance. Everyone being at their computer at home seems to indicate that this puts people at no more or less risk. My employees at runDisney would have to deal with the registrations in our home office (or work from home), but I'd be taking the necessary social distancing options for my team.

-Driving/Flying to WDW. Obviously that's kind of out of my hands from a race director standpoint in terms of how you arrive at WDW. But where you fly or drive from may be more or less indicative of how much of a higher risk individual you are. If say, there was a current massive virus outbreak in Scottsdale, AZ and that's where you fly/drive from to my race then maybe you're a higher risk of carrying the virus. But I'm not sure how I would change anything prior to your arrival even if that were the case.

-Transportation. Getting to and from the Expo and the race. In a bus situation, how increased are your chances for transmission? Again, is it simply being in close proximity, or is contact a big driver? What other means can we develop to transport the runners to the Expo/Start/Hotel in a safe manner? Should it be encouraged that people utilize rented cars that have been cleaned prior to your acquiring of the rented vehicle (whether that's at the airport or Disney)?

-Expo. This is probably a place I'd have to strongly consider some changes. Currently, it's an indoor setting with a highly dense population all moving around as much as 5 days before my last event (Expo Wednesday -> Marathon Sunday). So if the virus were transmissible in such a setting, then I could dramatically increase the pool of possible spreaders by the time my last race of the weekend occurs. So I'd want to do my best to minimize such an occurrence within my control as a race director. Obviously many runners at runDisney weekends also go to the parks, and whether that increases/decreases the chances of spread is outside my control. In such a setting are the runners, expo vendors, outdoor volunteers, indoor volunteers more at risk given the answers to the questions in the prior part? If we find touching objects is far less of a transmissibility issue, then maybe just plexi-cube up volunteer staff working the ID/Bib stations. If transmissibility through paper objects is an issue, then would a quick UV treatment greatly diminish the risk of contact exposure? I'd venture to guess based on what we've seen thus far with grocery stores, that this is unlikely to be necessary, but again I don't know what things look like in the future when this race is actually happening. Limiting crowds would seem like a no-brainer in terms of diminishing the risk for runners. Could you offer an option for hotel bib pick-up for a cost? How about pre-ordering of even more merchandise that is picked up in a location (hotel or expo)? Could the non-runDisney vendors also make their merchandise available for pre-purchase maybe 2-3 weeks (or more) in advance of the event?

-Security check and density of outdoor holding areas prior to race start. What could I change here that would spread people further out? Do I have a virus test accessible to me that is extremely fast and non-invasive? Legally can I even ask for people to voluntarily take the test to determine if they currently have the virus? Do I retest runners who are doing multiple races during the weekend? Would I consider assigning corrals recommended arrival times, rerouting the race route to accommodate both traffic and an ongoing race at the same time? So maybe instead of an hour (5:00-6:00am for the start of my race), I do 4:30-6:30am and reroute things to make this feasible both for those still arriving and not yet having to run until 6:15am and those who started at 4:30am and are racing during the time period others are still arriving at their recommended times? If altering these things don't work, then what about staging my corrals over a greater distance?

-Running the race. We've got family members cheering people on, we've got aid stations/volunteers, we've got runners ebbing/flowing past each other, we've got character pictures and scenery, etc. There's a lot to think about before the race even starts, and then even more to think about after it has. So if contact transmission isn't a big problem, then aid stations could be cups on trays that are pushed out for runners to grab. Think about how a volunteer normally stands on one side of the table and hands water to you. How could you automate or distance yourself from that process? A device maybe that acts like the arm the volunteer was using to pass it off that can be at arm height and adjustable for others? I've been in larger races where the tables were mostly unmanned on the front side. So the runners had to grab water themselves. And what I saw in those occurrences were people largely knocking over a great number of cups to grab their one. So if it's an unmanned table from the front, then maybe some sort of tray system that keeps the water cups from being easily knocked over and you simply run by and pluck one off the table. Family/cheering has to be kept at a distance from the runners because normally they're all pointed directionally towards the runners in a tunnel shape yelling and screaming. The changes to characters would be again dictated by the answers to the questions in the previous section. Maybe instead of as many meet/greet character meetings, what about more "scenes" or "objects"? I've never done Star Wars weekend, but I often read of some scenes that were created that got people excited. Could there be more of that type and less of the other types? How someone can socially responsibly pass another runner? The finish line area and again trying to keep things spread out.

-What makes runDisney unique over the experience of another race? The characters and the place it occurs are probably the two biggest answers. So I'd venture to guess in order to keep a runDisney experience somewhat the same you'd want to see those things be held consistent. Now whether they occur in the same manner in the past is definitely debatable.

-If I were a race director, I would strongly consider the following:
A) Reduce capacity of the race
B) Raise the price to cover some of the cost of reduced capacity
C) Offer virtual races w/ a medal that matches the medals of the weekend. But make something unique towards the weekend that is not accessible for virtual. Also, to help cover the costs of reduced capacity at the race.
D) Make most all merchandise available at the Expo (both runDisney and other vendors) available for pre-purchase. Also, to help cover the costs of reduced capacity of the race with the hope people would purchase more and I'd have less waste in terms of what I had leftover at the Expo itself.
E) Develop a system to make aid stations both safe and fast for everyone involved.
F) Have a clear policy in place regarding refunds. Will I treat MW 2021 (the first race with registration post-virus being known about) the same as SW 2020 (the first race to be cancelled because of virus but sign-up occurred prior to virus being mostly known about)? Does it matter? Is someone signing up for MW 2021 accepting the risk of cancellation due to the virus unlike the person signing up for SW 2020? Should they be treated differently based on the timing and knowledge of ongoing circumstances? I'm not saying it should be one way or another, but it's definitely something I'd be pondering over as a race director.

Suffice to say I don't have all the answers. Some of these ideas are likely far beyond what will ever be necessary. Some of these ideas might seem outlandish now and become more accepted later. Again, I don't have complete confidence in knowing what is and isn't needed now or months/years from now because we're still in the infancy of the science when it comes to this current virus. I just sat down after reading your question and just started typing out ideas which could easily be the incoherent rambling of a man missing out on the race experience.
 
There are races out there that are cupless, that require you to bring your own cup/bottle. I believe some of the special cups clip onto your shorts or whatever. I believe these races have water coolers with an easy open spout to get water. I'm not sure that this would work for a large race, but maybe they could have volunteers pouring water/powerade. Maybe have enough bottles for the elites. This really isn't conducive to anyone trying to PR. I'm still not sure that this would work for a large race, but it could be an option for smaller races.
They had one of these fill stations at MCM once you beat the bridge, but you still had people congregating around the water. Having several of these and spacing will cause delays and timing. Add the constraints of a mask and I just see myself deferring if there are restrictions put into place with races, especially half or marathons.
 
The socks question... revisited

I know we talked socks before but, with no access to stores and holes in most of my pairs, I feel like I need to reconsider my socks choices.

As I just wrote, I end up with holes in most of my socks, pretty fast. The ASICS Quick Lyte I use most often last quite a bit longer than others local store brands. Their main advantages: They are light and they are cheap (3 for less than 15USD).

Some brands that I know you love are Balega, Injinji, Feetures and Stance. Those are all more expensive and there are so much choices in models. If I were to ask for a mother day present, which one should I try? Please keep in mind that I would hate having a hole in a 20$ pair of socks.

For more details, my second (index) toe is the longest. In four years of running, I had one black toe (I then learnt to cut them short and not assume they are short because they have nail polish on) and blisters on both my big toes once (my first marathon, still don’t know why, saw it after the fact and they did not burst... I did put Glide for my second marathon, no problem).

TIA
 
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There are races out there that are cupless, that require you to bring your own cup/bottle. I believe some of the special cups clip onto your shorts or whatever. I believe these races have water coolers with an easy open spout to get water. I'm not sure that this would work for a large race, but maybe they could have volunteers pouring water/powerade. Maybe have enough bottles for the elites. This really isn't conducive to anyone trying to PR. I'm still not sure that this would work for a large race, but it could be an option for smaller races.

I did a race that used refillable cups. It was fine for a small race but no way would it work for a larger one. One of the advantages of a water stop is going through at full speed without slowing down. I wouldn't be interested in stopping to fill a cup. I could see just not having a water stop for a 5K. Even in extreme heat you can do 3 miles without water.
 
The socks question... revisited

I know we talked socks before but, with no access to stores and holes in most of my pairs, I feel like I need to reconsider my socks choices.

As I just wrote, I end up with holes in most of my socks, pretty fast. The ASICS Quick Lyte I use most often last quite a bit longer than others local store brands. Their main advantages: They are light and they are cheap (3 for less than 15USD).

Some brands that I know you love are Balega, Injinji, Feetures and Stance. Those are all more expensive and there are so much choices in models. If I were to ask for a mother day present, which one should I try? Please keep in mind that I would hate having a hole in a 20$ pair of socks.

I primarily use the Asics Kayano low cut socks, but they're getting harder and harder to find. I buy 4-6 pairs every time I see them in stock somewhere. I know mine will eventually wear out and my stockpile will dwindle, so I've been trying out a few pairs of Balega Hidden Comfort. Thus far, I've been very happy with them. They're light enough to survive the desert heat with enough cushion to keep my feet happy during long runs. They're not cheap ($12 on Amazon), which is okay because I expect them to last as long as the Kayanos do.
 
The socks question... revisited

I know we talked socks before but, with no access to stores and holes in most of my pairs, I feel like I need to reconsider my socks choices.

As I just wrote, I end up with holes in most of my socks, pretty fast. The ASICS Quick Lyte I use most often last quite a bit longer than others local store brands. Their main advantages: They are light and they are cheap (3 for less than 15USD).

Some brands that I know you love are Balega, Injinji, Feetures and Stance. Those are all more expensive and there are so much choices in models. If I were to ask for a mother day present, which one should I try? Please keep in mind that I would hate having a hole in a 20$ pair of socks.

For more details, my second (index) toe is the longest. In four years of running, I had one black toe (I then learnt to cut them short and not assume they are short because they have nail polish on) and blisters on both my big toes once (my first marathon, still don’t know why, saw it after the fact and they did not burst... I did put Glide for my second marathon, no problem).

TIA
I get being on a budget and not wanting to spend the money. But I also get that running is abusive to the body and you need to give yourself the right tools to treat your body well and stay injury free. I personally wear normal champion cotton socks. I know it’s frowned about to run in cotton but I never get blisters. In fact one of the few times I have run in moisture wicking running socks I did get blisters. But I wouldn’t shy away from spending a little more because they will most likely last you longer so it all evens out.
 
The socks question... revisited

I know we talked socks before but, with no access to stores and holes in most of my pairs, I feel like I need to reconsider my socks choices.

As I just wrote, I end up with holes in most of my socks, pretty fast. The ASICS Quick Lyte I use most often last quite a bit longer than others local store brands. Their main advantages: They are light and they are cheap (3 for less than 15USD).

Some brands that I know you love are Balega, Injinji, Feetures and Stance. Those are all more expensive and there are so much choices in models. If I were to ask for a mother day present, which one should I try? Please keep in mind that I would hate having a hole in a 20$ pair of socks.

For more details, my second (index) toe is the longest. In four years of running, I had one black toe (I then learnt to cut them short and not assume they are short because they have nail polish on) and blisters on both my big toes once (my first marathon, still don’t know why, saw it after the fact and they did not burst... I did put Glide for my second marathon, no problem).

TIA
I still have the same pair of feetures light cushion socks I purchased in 2017 as my first pair of running socks. I was resistant to purchase expensive socks, but figured I had also been resistant to purchase expensive shoes and was happy I did. The color of that pair of socks faded, but there are still no holes. Conversely, my normal cotton socks and most of my shoes end up with a hole from my second toe on the right foot. I wore that one pair every run for the first year (~300 miles) before I got a few other pair so I did not have to do laundry every other day. I auditioned other socks looking for something warmer for winter, and ended up with a hole in the Balegas, but not the smartwool running socks. I will concede it may vary as much by sock model as sock maker, but when I decided I wanted even less laundry (and more color) I stuck with the feetures and smartwool socks.
 












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