The Running Thread - 2018

I’m “eh” on expos. Some stuff is fun to see and try on in person - and buy without paying shipping, but I could give or take!

@LSUlakes - can you add a race for me this weekend?

10 - @JulieODC - Mick morgans 5k (29:30 / NA)

Add me to the DCL booking club for summer 2019! We are doing the 11 night Norwegian fjords and Iceland cruise - can not wait!!
 
Non-running question but I trust you guys for park information too :) My parents are taking some family from India to Disney World in April and I'm trying to help them out with planning. There will be 7 adults and a 1 year old! I don't have kids and have never gone with a child that young. So I'm going to be making fast pass reservations for the group, how does child swap work? Do I just go ahead and make them all fast pass reservations and if it's for a ride the baby can't go on, one person stays off and then goes on the ride with their FP after the others get back?

The baby will have a birthday when they're at Disney World. My mom was asking if there's anything special they should do for a child that age on her birthday. What do you guys think? She's so young that I imagine she's just going to have fun running around and playing and stuff. She's never seen characters before and I don't know if they would scare her so I'm not sure a character meal would make sense. And I brought up the idea of BBB but apparently she hate's getting fussed with and stuff (I hear you kid, me too).

Any tips from people who've gone with kids that young before?

Thanks!

With child swap everyone will go to either the FP+ entrance or the regular entrance along with the child. Before entering you will ask the cast member for a child swap and those who want to stay with the child stay back and the others go on through the line. The cast member at the start of the line will give you a special tag thingy that you will turn in to a cast member before boarding the ride for the amount of people that are staying with the child that are like the old paper fast passes. Once your done, you give them to the group waiting and they can go through the FP line. If you have a FP for that particular attraction, you can use the same system and if the first group completes the ride before the window is over, then you could use your existing FP and in theory, but somewhat against the spirit of things ride it again with the child swap pass after the window. I am not certain how many child swaps they will distribute for a party of yalls make up but it could be as many as 6... in theory. Obviously with a lot of planning and the right combination of things, the child swap system can be taken advantage of, but as I said earlier, it's not meant to be used in that way. The child will not have tickets tied to his/her name and thus when you are making FP+ his/her name will not be allowed to make FP+. Fear not though, if you are making a FP+ for the group that the child can ride on, he/she will be allowed on without the reservation since a ticket is not tied to the child.

For the birthday it's common for the cast member to ask if you are celebrating something special. You can tell them its the childs first visit (and whoever else is making their first trip) and they will give you a first trip pin. You can do the same for the birthday and get a birthday pin. My daughter also got a balloon upon checking in on her birthday trip. Wearing the birthday pin around the park and restaurants could create some magical moments for the child. Could be something as simple as a happy birthday or a free cupcake with a meal, or something else. The child will not be able to partake in BBB as it's required from my understanding that the child must be 3 years old. Since the child is under 3 its within the parents best interest not to falsify documents for this experience as they would have to pay for park tickets and if yall are doing a dinning plan as well.

Other random tips from my experience:
Learn where the baby centers are. Great place that is quite and has supplies for babies in case you are running low like diapers, food, a room to nurse if that applies. Each park has one.
At 2 DD was not scared of everything thats spooky, so the haunted mansion did not scare her. It helped that we made it fun, instead of letting the hype of the queue build up a scare.
it's a Small World was her favorite.
Child Swap w/o a FP+ a ride with a height requirement around nap times so she/he can take a nap in the stroller instead of leaving the parks. For something like Space Mt, this could provide up to a hour or more of nap time, by the time both groups go through the ride. Also its a great time for a little snack after the nap. I like going to COP then CS Space Mt as COP gets her a little sleepy and then hanging in the stroller and napping that much easier.
FP+ is not available for TSMM for most of April. I would put this high as a rope drop attraction!
Ride the Safari ride in AK before 10:00 AM. The animals are most active in the early morning. Disney does have a few tricks to keep the animals active during the day, but they typically like to nap during the heat of the day.

If I put out bad information, someone please let me know, but what I posted is accurate to the best of knowledge.
 
ATTQOTD: I like the Disney expos but none of the races around here really have large expos like that (well except for like, Boston and stuff :)) I will often go to bib pickups the day before if the race is within like 10-15 min drive and it's convenient, but otherwise prefer to just show up and pick up my bib the day of the race.

Which, tangent, can also present its own logistical issues if I'm going to the race alone (I usually am, at least as far as dealing with my own crap goes... sometimes I'm meeting other runner buddies there at the race) and the parking is not close to the bib/swag pickup. Luckily only once has it been an issue for me... at Maine Coast in 2016, I didn't realize how far away the parking was going to be and I was running a bit late. It was quite a rush for me to walk to the bib pickup and get my stuff, walk back to my car to drop my shirt and stuff off and get my bib on properly with my magnets, and then walk back to the starting area, wait for a portopotty, and get my stuff done before my wave started!

After that experience, I rented a locker at Old Port the same year (they are run by the same race company and offer locker rentals), which was REALLY a good decision because I was running SUPER late getting to Portland and had to park in a parking garage that was quite a walk away. I think I got all my stuff not more than like 15 minutes before the start. And the line for the bag dropoff and locker rentals was the same line and it was really backed up... we were all still standing in the line while the national anthem was being sung and I had not used the potty yet either. Finally they let the people who had already rented lockers and just needed to pick up their keys form a second line... I don't know why they weren't doing this from the start and making people stand in line with the general bag check! I got my key, dumped my stuff in the locker, and hit the potties. And almost knocked the thing over because I was scared so badly when the first wave went off, because they don't just fire a gun off to start Old Port... they fire a cannon!
 
Local races I just do pick up before the race that morning so don't really care about the expo if there even is one, but for Disney I enjoy the expo part.
 

@LSUlakes Super helpful, thank you! I didn't know there was a minimum age for BBB, I just knew about the maximum age. Don't worry, they're not going to falsify the child's age as my understanding is that she's hates people doing her hair, dressing her, etc.

And I had no idea about no FP for TSMM in April, that's definitely a huge issue! It seems like there isn't that much in Hollywood Studios for young kids and taking away FP from that attraction is a bummer.

Great tip on the baby care centers. Those are the types of things I wouldn't even know to tell them about.
 
@LSUlakes Super helpful, thank you! I didn't know there was a minimum age for BBB, I just knew about the maximum age. Don't worry, they're not going to falsify the child's age as my understanding is that she's hates people doing her hair, dressing her, etc.

And I had no idea about no FP for TSMM in April, that's definitely a huge issue! It seems like there isn't that much in Hollywood Studios for young kids and taking away FP from that attraction is a bummer.

Great tip on the baby care centers. Those are the types of things I wouldn't even know to tell them about.

We are currently planning for a April trip as well so I have been staying on top of things more so than normal. We are bringing our son for his trip, he will be 7 months old at the time of trip and still breast feeding so knowing about these things that I did not need to know on DD first trip is helpful. The child can also eat of off mom and dads plates for meals is my understanding. This is extremely helpful for buffet type meals, which are common for character meals. Chef Mickeys seems to be a crowd favorite. Not so much mine (food is my issue), but classic characters. If princesses is her thing, the character meal at Akershus Royal Banquet may still have spots open, CRT will be difficult to get a table of 8 for at this point for a April trip.
 
We are Garden Grill frequenters. I like the family style of the food vs buffet and you can see the characters multiple times. Every time we've brought under 3 kids, they still bring out drinks and kid food for them without charge. Technically not what's supposed to happen but the wait staff has always been awesome there.
 
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We are Garden Grill frequenters. I like the family style of the food vs buffet and you can see the characters multiple times. Every time we've brought under 3 kids, they still bring out drinks and kid food for them without charge. Technically not what's supposed to happen but the wait staff has always been awesome there.

Going there for the first time this April. I'm looking forward to the experience!!
 
You are going to love DCL! I just booked another one! It took me over an hour to get through on Tuesday and then I was on hold for an hour and 15 minutes. Good thing it was a slow day at work.

Sorry to hear about your leg. Hope it's not too serious.
I finally got through yesterday during my cool down on the spin bike--I had biked over 60 miles and let myself play on my phone during cool down. I cleaned my bike, took off my bike shorts and debated what to do. I plugged my headphones into my phone and went to the elliptical. I thought I would kill some time waiting for DCL to pick up. I got my whole 65 minute workout in, while on hold. I put my phone (still on hold) into the locker and took a shower. I got done and while I was driving home, a live person actually picked up. It had been over 2 hours! The phone call lasted at least 45 minutes-cm was very, very chatty but informative.
 
ATTQOTD: I like the runDisney expos. I do miss the speaker series they used to do before all the races. Always learned something new at those. Before my first half, Jeff Galloway had me almost convinced I would not fail the next day. Turned out he was right.

As a Star Wars fan, I always enjoy the Star Wars race expos because of the fun Star Wars running gear. I now regret passing on the 2016 tech shirt that was imagined as a real Star Wars race in that galaxy far, far away. The race sponsors included The Lando Calrissian Business School and similar sponsors. I did get last year's Darth Vader shirt that said "join me and together we can run the galaxy."
 
ATTQOTD: I've only ever been to runDisney expos. Now that I'm local it's nice to be able to run over there if I want to see something I've been looking at online. It seems to be the same vendors all the time so some of it's getting a little stale for me, but I still like looking at it all. I don't buy any race merchandise unless I'm actually running the race. I always check out the clearance racks at RawThreads and SparkleSkirts and stock up on Sweaty Bands.
 
10 - @beatlecat42 - RNR Washington DC Half Marathon (NG / N/A)

Thanks for keeping track of this :) it'll "just" be the 5k for me this weekend, though, the ankle is still problematic.

questions:

- I stick to either the treadmill or areas around the house; getting lost in baltimore can be a dangerous proposition depending on the part of town...

- expos: as long as they're not too crowded, I don't mind them -- I'm a sucker for free stuff, and it's nice to find out about local races (especially if there are discounts...)
 
QOTD: Race expos, like them or hate them? Why?
I usually enjoy runDisney expos and consider the long lines for official merchandise part of the experience (within reason). I do prefer DLR race expos over WDW race expos. When you are just a short walk from your hotel and the theme parks it's much more convenient to visit the expo repeatedly throughout the weekend.

However, I don't like local race expos or bib pickup at all! They usually involve a 30-60 min drive or 60 min on public transit (each way), traffic and parking fees or circling the neighborhood in search of free parking. IMO they are a big waste of time, energy, and money. Especially considering I have to make that trip the next day for the race! This year I have started paying for my bib to be mailed or picked up on race morning. Unfortunately, not all races have that option.
 
I would like to like expos, but I never do. I can never go at off-hours, and so they always seem to be packed so much that you can hardly move, let alone browse merchandise.

Last year's Marine Corps Marathon expo was particularly bad for this. I am a local for the race, but the expo was held at the Convention Center at National Harbor. There is literally no direct metro service...they had arranged a free shuttle bus from a relatively nearby metro stop. Since I had to go on Saturday, with the Saturday metro service levels, the metro ride would've been about 90 minutes one-way, then the shuttle bus.

So, I elected to drive - the Convention Center is almost exactly halfway around the DC beltway from where I live, so it took about 45 minutes because there is always some sort of traffic problem. Then they charged the regular rate for parking...up to one hour is $12 and up to two hours is $18. I did buy a couple of shirts and there was a huge line for the check-out. I considered browsing the expo booths, but it was literally so full that you couldn't move unless the person beside you moved. But getting OUT was a huge effort so the whole thing took me about 1:15, so I paid $18 to park at the darn expo. (To be fair, they were offering a $12 flat-rate parking fee, but looking at my watch, I thought I'd make the hour cut-off. What did I know?) Then it was 45 minutes home. Sigh.

I very much dislike when just going to the expo costs so much time and money. I already paid how much for the race, and now additional frustration?

I say all this dreading my visit to the Rock N Roll DC expo tomorrow to pick up my bib for the HM. At least it is metro-accessible, at the DC Armory.
I think you must live near me. I had the same halfway around the beltway drive and the line to get out of the parking lot was insane. For as well as they handled bib pickup, the rest of the expo was a zoo.
 
Non-running question but I trust you guys for park information too :) My parents are taking some family from India to Disney World in April and I'm trying to help them out with planning. There will be 7 adults and a 1 year old! I don't have kids and have never gone with a child that young. So I'm going to be making fast pass reservations for the group, how does child swap work? Do I just go ahead and make them all fast pass reservations and if it's for a ride the baby can't go on, one person stays off and then goes on the ride with their FP after the others get back?

The baby will have a birthday when they're at Disney World. My mom was asking if there's anything special they should do for a child that age on her birthday. What do you guys think? She's so young that I imagine she's just going to have fun running around and playing and stuff. She's never seen characters before and I don't know if they would scare her so I'm not sure a character meal would make sense. And I brought up the idea of BBB but apparently she hate's getting fussed with and stuff (I hear you kid, me too).

Any tips from people who've gone with kids that young before?

Thanks!
Considering that the kid is the minority, I’d say, yes, book the FP as you would normally do for the adults.

For her birthday, just have a note added to any (or all) restaurant reservation, they will likely bring a cupcake with a candle and sing.

And last, if you can get a resort on the monorail loop, she’ll be able to ride the monorail in her stroller as opposed to taking her out to board the bus. My favourite resort for that situation is the Poly because you can access both MK and Epcot that way.
 
@Chaitali we took our kiddo at a year and a half. If your party can swing it, I really would try to stay at a monorail hotel. The ability to walk on to the monorail with a stroller was key, and busses seemed like such a pain with all the folding and stowing. It also made it a lot easier to go back for naps for her. It seemed like it was less of a time-suck. At her age, MK was most entertaining for her, so we stayed at the Contemporary.

Re: character breakfasts: we purposefully got her familiar with the characters before we went via books about the fab 5 and Mickey Mouse clubhouse. We did a character breakfast at Chef Mickey’s and because she had seen them in books or on TV, she was over the moon to meet them in person. The pictures I have of her little face meeting them are some of my favorites of her.
 
QOTD: Race expos, like them or hate them? Why?
I don't have a strong like or hate mentality about expos. If an expo is open when I can get there and I've never been I will absolutely look and even pick up either race merch (if it's a milestone race that's important to me) or discounted items. That being said some expos aren't worth the trouble so I would skip if I could.
 
Probably. I signed up for it at one point but was never able to make it back from overseas.

Ah, now it makes sense. Too bad you couldn't make it. Hopefully it comes back.

This week we have the following folks with a race:

10 - @Bree - HOPE's Sham Rock N Run 5k (34:59 / N/A)
10 - @avondale - RNR Washington DC Half Marathon (2:07:00 / N/A)
10 - @beatlecat42 - RNR Washington DC Half Marathon (NG / N/A)
10 - @BikeFan - RNR Washington DC Marathon (NG / N/A)
10 - @KingLlama - Lucky Leprechaun 10 Miler (NG / N/A)
10 - @Miranda - Run Before You Crawl 5K (NG / N/A)
10 - @cburnett11 - Anthem 5k Fitness Classic (22:xx / N/A)
10 - JulieODC - Mick morgans 5k (29:30 / NA)
11 - LSUlakes - Amazing Half Marathon (2:30:00 / N/A)
11 - @HomeiswhereMickeyis - Gateway to Space 10k (1:45:00 / N/A)

Good luck to everyone racing this weekend! If you need to make a revision to your goal or if someone would like to add a race, just let me know and I will be happy to make the adjustment.

I have a half this weekend that was meant to be a POT race. I failed to prepare myself, but think I am going to run it anyway. I have one last chance with a race on March 24 to somehow get a sub 2 hour half in.

Good luck everyone!

QOTD: Race expos, like them or hate them? Why?

ATTQOTD: I hate going to race expos. If I could get my bibs mailed to me, even for extra money I would do it every time. I dislike the waste of time going to a expo for something that take 10 minutes but waste half of my day doing it.

I'm indifferent. This year I was annoyed because my plan was to arrive Thursday night and hit the expo Friday but when our plans were changed because of weather I got there Friday and had to do the expo Saturday. Well, with the roads being shut down it took me five hours to get to the expo and basically cost us a park day. I don't buy anything so if my bib was available at the hotel for example, it would be have been a much better experience. But I don't mind going usually. It allowed me to see WWoS, I found my roo pouch in 2016 so that was helpful. But I have only been the runDisney expos so I can't judge others.

ATTQOTD: I despise expos. Although I love WDW, I get nervous in large crowds- which really doesn't make sense, must be the pixie dust. So a large crowd inside a venue almost makes me nauseous. There's normally tight walkways too. And I really hate the expos that make you walk through the vendors to get your stuff. This question reminds me to review my race this weekend...

Newport News One City Maritime 8K (I think this is the title):

So I did the 8K, my husband ran the full. This is the 4th year it has been put on, but first time we've done it. It's 2 weeks out from the big local race weekend (Shamrock), so I think that's a major turn-off for some. There's also no half option, however there is a 2 and 4 person marathon relay option.

I cannot call what we went to an Expo. It was a bib pick-up. There were a handful of vendors, but they were banks, timeshares, Lularoe, orthopedists, etc. I've never actually been approached by a vendor while walking and I was twice here; it felt like the people at the mall kiosks. It felt a little aggressive. We only spent about 10 minutes here, but it took an hour to get there and an hour to get home. I was also not thrilled with the email communication; if you're not a local and know the streets, their instructions are confusing. I don't go to this part of our area often, so I didn't like that.

I had to drop my husband off at the marathon start line shuttle at 6 AM. Security shut down a road 30 minutes early, so that was fun trying to navigate.

The 8K was fine. I was in Corral 1, but only because there were 2 corrals: first was for 10-minute and under miles, second was for anything slower. I did start towards the back and to the right because I was scared everyone was going to be much faster. The course itself was boring. We still had some of the high gusts from the nor'easter (thankfully we never had rain or snow, just high winds). The first mile included 2 overpasses. That first hill nearly killed me, it was so hard when you're not used to any incline! The wind was blowing from the north so it was pushing me over to the right. The first mile marker was at the top of the second overpass. It was pretty hard to control my breath so I switched to 2/1 intervals for miles 2-4. Still kept a good pace and was able to get comfortable. Miles 1-3 the wind was against us, then it was on our back 3-finish so I had good splits at the end. There were 3 water stops, but I had my handheld so I never needed them. The finish line party was on the water, but it was so cold. They did have patio heaters up which was nice. Since I had to wait around, I got some food then watched the marathon finish line. I got to see the winner and then lots of BQs! I love watching people BQ, it's really emotional.

One of my complaints about the marathon is the timing of the kids final mile race. They use the same finish line as the marathoners. The lanes were coned, but a lot of children did not obey the cones and were running into the marathon lane where people were pushing at the end. The final mile began at the 3 hour mark for the marathon, i.e. prime BQ time. I would have been livid if I was pushing for a BQ at the finish and had to dodge kids. This definitely needs to be reworked.

My husband said the marathon course was really boring, but luckily a friend ran with him until the last few miles.

Also, our times are off by a few seconds. Mine is 14 seconds slower, his might be about 30. Not a big deal. I don't think either of us would do this race again, it was okay, but there's far better options this time of year.

I usually get anxiety in crowds too but I tend to just find the open space at the expo. If there is a large gathering of people at a booth I just avoid it.
 
Considering that the kid is the minority, I’d say, yes, book the FP as you would normally do for the adults.

For her birthday, just have a note added to any (or all) restaurant reservation, they will likely bring a cupcake with a candle and sing.

And last, if you can get a resort on the monorail loop, she’ll be able to ride the monorail in her stroller as opposed to taking her out to board the bus. My favourite resort for that situation is the Poly because you can access both MK and Epcot that way.
@Chaitali we took our kiddo at a year and a half. If your party can swing it, I really would try to stay at a monorail hotel. The ability to walk on to the monorail with a stroller was key, and busses seemed like such a pain with all the folding and stowing. It also made it a lot easier to go back for naps for her. It seemed like it was less of a time-suck. At her age, MK was most entertaining for her, so we stayed at the Contemporary.

Re: character breakfasts: we purposefully got her familiar with the characters before we went via books about the fab 5 and Mickey Mouse clubhouse. We did a character breakfast at Chef Mickey’s and because she had seen them in books or on TV, she was over the moon to meet them in person. The pictures I have of her little face meeting them are some of my favorites of her.

@flav @FredtheDuck Thank you for the tips! I couldn't sell them on staying on Disney property sadly. They're staying at an off site condo. That also mean only 30 days for fast pass reservations, which I've never done before. But hopefully I'll still be able to find decent fast passes for them. The good news is that they're all pretty unfamiliar with it so won't know what they're missing if I can't get them Flights of Passage. That's a great idea about getting the baby familiar with Disney characters so she'll be more comfortable when she says them. That sounds like a wonderful experience seeing your daughter meet her favorites :)
 














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