The Running Thread - 2016

ATTQOTD: I started back in 1999 when a friend suggested we do one of those Jingle Bell Fun Runs. I loved the experience and decided it was something I wanted to keep doing. After that, I completed a handful of 5K's and 10K's and decided I wanted to run a marathon. So, in 2001 I did the Houston and Chicago Marathons, and followed those up with a couple of Half Marathons.

Between 2004 and 2013 I would occasionally go out and run, but I'm pretty sure I never logged more than about 20 miles in a single week. So, in the summer of 2013 I was out of shape and 30lbs heavier than I am now and decided it was time to do something about it. So, while researching potential marathons I came across the Disney World Marathon and BAM! I was laser focused. When I signed up for it I remember thinking there was a 90% chance I had just wasted $200 as I was pretty sure I couldn't do it. But, like I said, I was focused and the return to training was much easier than I expected because I couldn't wait to run through the parks, run between the parks and overall just run at DW. Anyway, outside of my core experiences in life, finishing the Disney World Marathon in 2014 is probably the thing I'm the most proud of.
 
QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?
Not counting the running that I did to support my HS football "career", I started running in 1986, so 30 years ago, but my distances were limited to 10 miles or less. Distances beyond 10 miles - 15 years, so half the time.

I have had to stop many times for various reasons - once for about 5 years as my career really took off in NYC. Long hours plus a 2+ hour commute each way, then add the birth of my 2 boys, and this made running virtually impossible during that period.

I have had other breaks in running, some due to injuries and others due to life circumstances. Only when the breaks extended for longer than 6 months did I feel like I was starting over from scratch physically, and even then the mental toughness developed in years past got me through things that were a struggle early on.

Running is a mental thing far more than a physical thing. The mental toughness that you develop can help you in every aspect of your life. And, once it is developed, you really don't lose it.
 
ATTQOTD: Started running just over 6 years ago. I have not had any extended time off to come back from yet. Time to knock on some wood!
 
QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

I started running seriously in 2011 because I was 40+ and heaviest I'd ever been, weight-wise, at 200+. I'd always tried to be active because obesity runs in my family, and I used to be a semi-serious cyclist and occasional amateur racer (with no great results, but it was fun), but with a full-time job and four kids, I wasn't getting out on the bike much anymore. I decided it was time to refocus and concentrate more on my health, both for my own sake and as an example for my kids. Much like a dog needs a ball or a squirrel to chase, I needed concrete goals to keep me on target, so I started signing up for races. In 2012, I ran my first half marathon, and then my first full marathon that same year, and it all started snow-balling from there. My son started running with me, and did surprisingly well at the 5K. This inspired him to try out for high school cross country, and he's now the fastest runner in the family. I did my first RunDisney event in 2013 with one of my brothers (Goofy Challenge, because crazy!), and started seeing my results drop down to times I'd really considered possible when I first started. I decided to chase the crazy dream of qualifying for Boston, and in 2013, I ran my first BQ on my 44th birthday. Since I started, I've run countless halfs, 9 fulls, and 2 ultras, with my first 50-miler coming up in April. I'm still amazed this running journey has turned out like it has. I certainly wasn't a runner or even much of an athlete when I was younger, and now this. It just goes to show what a lot of persistence and sweat can lead to!
 

QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

ATTQOTD: I guess it depends on how one defines "running." I've been running for the enjoyment of it/fitness/stress relief since the early 80s, when I was a kid and jogging became a thing. I can't think of any prolonged periods of no running - I just ran when I felt like it until maybe the mid-90s, when I made running part of my regular fitness routine. Didn't start racing until 2012 - because I had no idea slow amateurs like me were allowed!
 
Got some catching up to do!

QOTD: Have you ever used a coach (online or in person) and how was your experience?

ATTQOTD: I'm not sure if this counts as a coach, but the person who runs our Galloway training group lays out the training plans for the group and is a great motivator.

Super happy with my Half time today! Was aiming for 2:55 (even went old school with a pace band!) and finished in 2:50:50! That beats my PR by 8:00!

Congrats!!!

QOTD: What's the most embarrassing moment that you have experienced or witnessed during a run?

ATTQOTD: Well, I'm not sure if it's embarrassing or not, but one early morning running when it was dark out, I stepped smack dab in the middle of a roadkill armadillo. BLECH! :crazy2: I stumbled all over the place, but managed not to fall. Needless to say, those shoes went straight in the washer when I got home.

QOTD: What are your go to vitamins, dietary supplements, protein powders/liquids, and/or nutrition bars/energy gels do you use during training/events? What benefits do you look for and get from them? Any other go to recovery items besides the standard beer and chocolate milk?
For those that run ultra's, duathlon's, triathlon's does your nutrition intake change by events and distance?

ATTQOTD: I take calcium and vitamin D since I've got some risk for osteoporosis. I generally eat cliff bars and sport beans when running. Before a race I usually eat toast with PB. We just started drinking Replay while running. Much less sugar than some other electrolytes. Not sure I love it yet, but I'm trying. :)

QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

ATTQOTD: I started running in the spring of 2012, so 4 years consistently. I ran some sporadically before that, but nothing consistent or with much distance. The only really long time I took off was during chemo treatments. About 4 months. The comeback sucked. :) I have had to take some shorter times off for some minor injuries. Two years ago, I was off about 6 weeks for a pulled groin. The comeback that time was much easier and quicker than when I first started running.
 
You're welcome. I'll keep you posted on the IMFL plans as we develop them. In case you're interested for your Oly this summer, here's what I did for my recent one. This gave me plenty of energy during the race. It was the heat that wore me down, not the lack of fuel.

Day before the race: big pancake breakfast, lots of water during the day, simple protein and light pasta for dinner
Race day: Clif bar before heading to the race; bike - one bottle of Powerade and half a bottle of water, half a Clif bar; run - two salt tabs (since I missed one on the bike), one gel, water at every aid station (no sports drink, unfortunately. They only offered water and Red Bull).

Sweet. How about you just hand me the Red Bull and I'll drink it for you!

QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

I started running in December of 2014, so definitely not as long as most people on this thread. I took about a month off in July of last year after I took a spill and really busted up my knees. It was pretty hard to come back (and get motivated), mostly because I was afraid of getting hurt again and jeopardizing things that I was training for (mainly Dopey).

I've been down almost two weeks now, with a return visit to the doctor tomorrow, and it really sucks. Mostly because there is nothing I can do to rush this process along, and any little misstep could really mess up my May trip.
 
ATTQOTD: I don't eat before morning runs, even races. My stomach is just too sensitive. I probably need to work on changing this, but I haven't. I have found I can handle fueling early. So, if I am running a 10k or longer, I will take Clif Shot Blocks with 3x salt (I honestly am the saltiest sweater I have ever seen, literally crusted in salt) starting at 20 minutes into the run. I will alternate 2 blocks, then one block every 20 minutes. I will drink water with those, and I will drink a 50/50 mix of gatorade and water every ten minutes between those blocks.

I now take a daily multivitamin, but have been thinking of adding other supplements now that I've passed the big 4-0.
I can't eat before a run either. Coffee is all I can handle. I've tried doing toast and peanut butter and I got side cramps and just felt so sick.
 
QOTD: What are your go to vitamins, dietary supplements, protein powders/liquids, and/or nutrition bars/energy gels do you use during training/events? What benefits do you look for and get from them? Any other go to recovery items besides the standard beer and chocolate milk?
For those that run ultra's, duathlon's, triathlon's does your nutrition intake change by events and distance?
One of my favorite topics, so excuse the long post if you're not interested (and be forewarned it contains MATH :teacher: ).

My choices for pre-event and during the event are based on a compilation of energy use calculations from different sources. I like to start with the during the event calculation.

First I take my body weight in pounds (161) and convert it to kilograms (161/2.2 = 73.2)
I then input the distance I'm running in kilometers (marathon = 42.195)
Mulitply the distance in kilometers your are running by your body weight in kilograms (73.2*42.195) and this gives us the total kcal burned during the event (3087.9)

Next it's necessary to make an estimate as to how much leg muscle mass I have and possible carbohydrate storage.
Take body weight (73.2) and multiply by 0.21 if male (or 0.2 if female) which gives us 15.4kg (the estimated muscle mass). *This number is an assumption based on an average body type
Multiply the muscle mass by 80 (15.4*80) to get the estimated CHO Storage in Legs (1229.5 g)

Next input your estimated VO2max (mine is 57 based on a calculation using my age, body weight and resting heart rate). *Boo Garmin 620 heart rate strap broken!
Take VO2max and input into the calculation for vVO2 (m/s) = 2.8859 + 0.0686 * (VO2max-29)
My vVO2 (m/s) is 4.8 m/s
Convert to mph (4.8*2.23694) = 10.75 mph
Convert to pace (60/10.75) = 5.58 (Minutes in decimals) or 5:35 min/mile vVO2

Next it's necessary to determine what % VO2max (pace) you are attempting to run the distance at. For me I will be doing the following...

Pace @ %VO2max (mph) = 10.75mph*0.71 = 7.63 *My 71% VO2max was determined based on finding a finishing time that correlated with my goal. I have %VO2 max calcs from 55-85%.
Pace in min/mile in decimals = 60/7.63 = 7.86 or 7:52 min/mile
Next calculate the total time of the event = 7.86 min/mile*26.2 miles = 205.9 minutes
Convert to hours = 205.9/60 = 3.43 hours
Convert to time = 3:25:55

Here is where the math gets more interesting...

Take your total estimated kcals burned (3087.9) and multiply it by 5% less than the % VO2max (pace) at which you plan to run the event at. For me 3087.9*((71-5)/100) = 2038.02
Thus, my estimated CHO use for running a marathon at my fitness level for the pace I desire will burn an estimated 2038.02 carbohydrates.
Subtract out my storage based on leg muscle mass (2038.02-1229.5) = 808.56 kcal carbs needed
Subtract out 100 kcals from liver CHO storage (808.56-100) = 708.56 kcals of carbs needed to complete race at desired pace
Divide kcals of carbs needed by time in hours to complete race (708.56kcals / 3.43 hours) = 206.5 kcals / hour
Convert kcals of carbs into grams of carbs (206.5 kcals / 4 grams) = 51.6 g carbs / hour

Thus, to finish my marathon at my fitness level at my desired pace and with my current body statistics, I need to consume 51.6 g carbs per hour.

To back calculate, if I were to go into the marathon with normal CHO storage in my legs and didn't take any carbs in while racing I would crash at 15.8 miles (((1229.5/2038.02)*3.43)*60)/7.86 = 15.8

Some important things to note:

-If I consume 52 g carbs per hour I need to drink 26 ounces of water (It takes 1 ounce of water to absorb 2 g carbs). However, if it is a hot race this ratio will need to increase (thus water intake increase) because other parts of your body will require more water. But if you dehydrate and then consume carbs the body takes precedence for gut absorption and pulls water away from the muscles thus dehydrating your muscles at a faster rate (a vicious cycle).
-You can also roughly back calculate if you were to change your carbs/hour as to when you would crash based on your estimated pacing at your fitness level.
-In the past I have used e-Gel brand because of the smooth consistency, the mixture of carb sources (82% Maltodrextin / 18% Sucrose), higher content per package (37g carbs and 150 cals), Vitamin B6 which helps in the energy transfer process, amino acids aiding in decreased recovery timing and higher than normal sodium and potassium content.
-The average marathon runner finishes in between 60-70% VO2max. If you are new to the distance, you are likely to be on the lower side. The elite marathon runners are capable of running at 81-85% VO2max. You should only be in this area as a possible goal finishing time if you are a seasoned veteran or truly a naturally gifted athlete.

BUT, I'm trying to move away from being dependent on in race gels and trying to carb load prior to the race (hence the mention of normal CHO leg storage). A carb loading procedure on the day prior, if done appropriately, has been shown to increase leg muscle CHO storage by as much as an additional 90%! That means instead of 1229.5 g carbs I could store 2336 g carbs (1229.5*1.9). Theoretically, this means I could run at 81% VO2max and finish at 3:01:17 without taking in any carbs (but I'm not physically capable of that pacing yet, so carbs would not be my limiting factor, rather running efficiency, etc. would be instead). Here is the calculation to get there.

Much quicker calculation, but I'm attempting to use the Western Australian carb loading procedure (massive carb loading day prior to event primarily through liquid carb source).
It recommends 10.3g carbs / kg body weight (10.3*73.2) = 753.8 g carbs
80% should be in liquid form to reduce bulk on day prior to race (753.8*0.8) = 603.0 g carbs
Total calories of carbs (603*4) = 3015 kcals carbs
Carbs should be approximately 90% of the diet (3015/0.9) = 3350 kcals consumed in day prior
Calories from Protein and Fat is 10% (3350*0.1) = 335 kcals
Protein (g) is (335/4) = 83.8 g Protein
Fat (g) is (335/9) = 7.8 g Fat

Thus my diet on the day prior to the race would consist of:
83.8 g Protein
7.8 g Fat
150 g carbs from food based sources (potato, bread, spaghetti, etc.)
603 g carbs from liquid source (I use E-Fuel, for many of the same reasons as E-Gel). I was thinking of using UCAN but at this point can't justify the price difference until I know this method will work for me.

My goal is to be able to carb load prior to the event, and then take in minimal fueling during the race (including sodium, potassium, and some carbs) with the goal of reducing carbohydrates as a limiting factor to my performance.

The morning before the race I typically consume a bagel with peanut butter and honey and a banana. I also drink 20 ounces of water 2 hours prior to the last time I can get to a restroom. I take in no more water until 15 minutes prior to the race when I consume one E-Gel with 8 ounces of water. I typically consume between 4-5 ounces of water per mile (more if it is hotter out, but never to the point that I feel sloshing in my gut).

Again apologies for the long post, but hopefully you enjoyed my reasoning on my in race consumption. :cool1:
@Keels said there would be no math!
 
ATTQOTD: I started running in 2004 to shed some baby weight. I would say between 2004 and 2009 I just sort of dabbled in running. I would run one or two 5K's a year to stay motivated and then when winter came I would hibernate, so it was always hard to get back into it in the spring. I stopped running altogether between 2009 and 2011. I'm not sure why exactly, maybe because I was on a huge yoga kick (taking classes & teacher certification) and I guess I didn't have much time for anything else. Then the weight started to creep back on so I started running again in 2012 and haven't really stopped since, but I was still a fair weather runner, choosing to hibernate in the winters. That changed last year when training for the WDW marathon forced me to run through the winter. I actually really like running in the winter now!

I still consider myself a newbie when it comes to distance running, I've only been at it for a year now, but I don't have any plans to stop - I will do this for as long as my body lets me.
 
ATTQOTD: I just bypassed my one year runniversary! Started this thing with my sights on the 2016 WDW marathon weekend for the 5k. Ran a couple local races and then signed up for the 5k with family. Have ran a race (or multiple) every month except Dec. So last year was my 5k year and this year is my distance year (just trying to complete them...working up to that elusive 10 miles.) I'm almost 100% positive if I don't hate this by the end of the year that 2017 will be my half marathon year.
Thanks everyone for letting me hang out with all you high mileage destroyers :) !!
NOTE: I'm not counting the forced runs in college for crew because I literally hated every second. I was young and wanted to be sleeping on non-practice days.
 
I'm catching up.
QOTD: What's the most embarrassing moment that you have experienced or witnessed during a run?
I was doing the Race for the Cure a few years ago and we were probably a half mile into this 5k when the girl in front of my sees a cop blocking the street and asked him "is this the finish line." I slowed down so I could hear the rest because the look on his face was priceless. He told her he was just blocking the street and the finish was down the road and around the corner. She flipped! He had to explain to her that a 5k is 3.1 miles and she was only at .5 miles. LOL! She stood there freaking out because she didn't know that she had to go 3 miles on this walk. I have no idea what happened to her because I sped up.
 
After 72 hours of our house being on the market, we have a purchase agreement on our home and made an offer on the house we would like to buy. They have until 5PM tomorrow to respond. Fingers crossed for a good outcome!

That's awesome! Hope they take your offer!
 
QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

I also just passed my one year runniversary! My DD has always been a runner and decided she wanted to do a runDisney event. When she first asked me I said "NO WAY! I Hate running!" Well she talked me into a half and we signed up for W&D 2015. I had 3 injuries during the year that made me miss 3-4 weeks each time. I switched shoes and have had zero issues since. I ran my first race in October last year, a 10k (just bypassed 5k's altogether lol), then ran the half a half that was W&D. I was so bummed about the shortened race after I had trained for the distance that I signed up for a half when I got home. Ran that one in December, Princess Half in February and just did a half last weekend in Little Rock. I guess you could say I am hooked! Just qualified for Half Fanatics and am training for my first Marathon on Labor Day. Sometimes I still say I hate running (usually during mile 1 of any long run!) but really I love it! We are planning doing the IGC at Avengers for our C2C medal, then Goofy in 2017. Plus a bunch of local races. I have come so far in a year! And I am 47, soon to be 48. :)
 
QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

28 years (on and off) with the following main phases:
  • 1988-1992 short races (5k's and 10k's)
  • 1993-1999 marathons and sprint/olympic triathlons
  • 2000-2002 triathlons including one Ironman distance
  • 2003 off (first child born)
  • 2004 one marathon to try to get back into shape - didn't really go as planned
  • 2005-2009 completely off (second child born, life got busy, totally forgot how to run)
  • 2010-now reborn and back into running - had to start from scratch
For the last 6 or so years (since I got back into running), I have had a few periods of 3-6 months where I didn't run (usually during the winter), and I found it to be really tough to restart. In my youth, I could pick it up again pretty quickly, but not anymore. I feel that anything more than about 4-6 weeks off will require a complete restart now.
 
QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?

My running journey began in December 2010 and I did the couch to 5k program and ran my first 5k in March of 2011. After that race, I pretty much stopped and had to start all over again to train for the same race in the 2012. That was the year when the running really began to kick in. I did the 5k and then decided I wanted to run a marathon, so I decided to run the Pittsburgh Full Marathon in 2013. I did a 10k in September and then did my first Disney race - the half marathon in January of 2013, which was supposed to be my kickoff run for marathon training. The race didn't go so well, so I dropped to the Pittsburgh Half Marathon and did another half marathon in between. I was going to do the Goofy Challenge in 2014, but then Disney decided to introduce Dopey, so I knew I would end up with medal envy if I "only" did Goofy, so for my first marathon, I ended up doing Dopey! It's been pretty much non-stop since with the exception of this past summer when I took some time off for life issues. I'm back now and will be ready for Dopey 2017!
 
QOTD: For how many years have you been running? Any long periods of time off and then have to start all over? Was the comeback just as hard as when you started or a little easier?
I had my 4-year runiversary (great word btw!) the end of February. I started running while on vacation in Mexico...I had planned to just use the gym, but decided after fleeing a Canadian winter the last thing I should do was trap myself indoors. Next logical question, what sort of exercise can I do outdoors? Running, I guess. And so it began...
 
QOTD:

Oneish. Last year till about November for Wine and Dine I was pretty off and on. I got sidelined by so many things, health, a vacation, stress, and injury. All of those kind of boiled down to being excuses. I ended up seeing a PT for most of October which fired me up, and by the time I came back from W&D I was ready to go, signed up for another half (that I just ran last week), and put my head down and went for it. So I've been running a little over a year, but I feel like it's only been about 5 months.
 
I have not gotten into eating the protein bars or the PB&J's during a run. The first sprint I did it was just a couple of gels. I am aiming for an Olympic distance in July and back to a sprint in the beginning of August before I venture into a half tri in November. Thanks @FFigawi for listing what your nutritional intake has been. I hope you let me know what type of plan you go with for IMFL. I am also looking forward to hearing from @CheapRunnerMike to see what his nutritional intake has been the for the IM. This will give me a good baseline to start testing what would work for good for me when I do an IM.
Once I figure it out I'll let you know! My coach and I will be going over nutrition in the next month or so before the season starts, plenty of time to try and dial it in...I'm sure there will be plenty of trial and error. My IM is in August, so I should have some good feedback on what worked (and hopefully not what didn't work) for me on race day.
 












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