The Rioting in France.

[dcentity2000]

Yeah, you're right... I'm sure people lob incendiary devices at the walls of buildings without intending to burn them down all the time in Europe.

I think the points being made were a) that the "incediary device" could have been almost anything and that b) the targets attacked appeared to be random, thus hacking away at the so-called "targeting" idea.

[PS] I hate that emoticon, always makes me think "where are his arms?"



Rich::

 

[nwdisgal]

Here's a quotation from The Washington Post: A large percentage of this population is Muslim, and Islamic neighborhood groups have been trying to dissuade young people from taking part in the rioting.

Here's the link TO THE FULL ARTICLE

It's quite the opposite. Many muslims over here in Europe take a decidely anti-violence stance.

Yes. You are right. The Moderate Muslims do not support this, anymore than Moderate Christians would support extremists bombing a clinic.

 

[DawnCt1]

Yes. You are right. The Moderate Muslims do not support this, anymore than Moderate Christians would support extremists bombing a clinic.

No one is suggesting that moderate muslims support the violence but it is clear that their efforts to halt the violence is about as affective as those of the French. Muslims have been slow to speak out against violence, terrorism, etc in the past, many in fear of retaliation for siding with the "enemy". If the riots just include extremists/islamists, that is still a heck of a lot of people.

 

[Viking]

Yeah, you're right... I'm sure people lob incendiary devices at the walls of buildings without intending to burn them down all the time in Europe.

Do you need a drawing, or what?
Those jerks involved in those riots throw incendiary devices at everything in their way.
You implied that they intentionally went for a synagogue, which they didn't do.
And at least they didn't shoot at police or army helicopters like in New Orleans

 

[Viking]

No one is suggesting that moderate muslims support the violence but it is clear that their efforts to halt the violence is about as affective as those of the French. Muslims have been slow to speak out against violence, terrorism, etc in the past, many in fear of retaliation for siding with the "enemy". If the riots just include extremists/islamists, that is still a heck of a lot of people.

But at least they don't boost terrorism as your adminstration is doing it in Iraq. And your posts in the past show that you're also prone to support violence - or do you think that a war is not violent?

 

[DawnCt1]

But at least they don't boost terrorism as your adminstration is doing it in Iraq. And your posts in the past show that you're also prone to support violence - or do you think that a war is not violent?

You may not have noticed but "terrorism" existed before the battle in Iraq. We have had our share of it from the first WTC to the Cole, etc, etc. War is the appropriate and measured response to a violent situation; namely the Saddam Hussein regime. You don't happen to think that he should be restored to power do you? It might improve Germany's economy. You all lost a valuable trading partner.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You may not have noticed but "terrorism" existed before the battle in Iraq. We have had our share of it from the first WTC to the Cole, etc, etc. War is the appropriate and measured response to a violent situation; namely the Saddam Hussein regime. You don't happen to think that he should be restored to power do you? It might improve Germany's economy. You all lost a valuable trading partner.

I'm curious..Do you think we should have gone into Rwanda to stabalize the situation?

 

[nwdisgal]

But at least they don't boost terrorism as your adminstration is doing it in Iraq. And your posts in the past show that you're also prone to support violence - or do you think that a war is not violent?

Yes, unfortunately since Madelaine Albright stepped out of office, our concern with World Peace has gone down the toilet. My eyes have really been opened by friends from other parts of the world. Many countries look to the US as a role model and world peace keeper. As US citizens we have to stop thinking of ourselves with such a myopic view. People depend on us to set an example by our actions. I think we should really be concerned with the root cause of why these Muslims are attracted to extremism in the first place - which is economic disparity and poverty.

 

[Geoff_M]

Do you need a drawing, or what?
Those jerks involved in those riots throw incendiary devices at everything in their way.
You implied that they intentionally went for a synagogue, which they didn't do.

So you're implying that they "accidently" set all of the structures ablaze? The actions of Mob like this are indeed "random" in the sense that there usually isn't premeditation. However, they usually wander looking for targets of opertunity and other things that strike their fancy. Perhaps "firebombing" has a different meaning to you... To me lobbing a Molotov Cocktail at a building constitutes "firebombing". I also doubt that the significance of the building at which the "incendiary device" was thrown at was lost on the "social" rioters. I'm sure that with all of the indiscriminate incendiary tossing that's taken place over nine nights that a Mosque or two also got blackened in the process, right?

I hope that you are right in your hope about Germany, through your generious welwafe system, will continue to be immune from such "social" rioting. After the Rodney King racial rioting in Los Angeles in 1992, French President François Mitterrand stated that such a thing would be extremely unlikely in France due to the fact that it was not such as racist nation as America and minorities had access to a multitude of government social programs in his country. I also hope you can avoid some of the "social" problems, with similar youth in France and Århus, Denmark and (if I'm not mistaken) Malmö, Sweden.

 

[DawnCt1]

I'm curious..Do you think we should have gone into Rwanda to stabalize the situation?

In hind sight, we probably should have but on the other hand, Rwanda wasn't exporting terrorism or developing WMD's.

 

[DawnCt1]

Yes, unfortunately since Madelaine Albright stepped out of office, our concern with World Peace has gone down the toilet. My eyes have really been opened by friends from other parts of the world. Many countries look to the US as a role model and world peace keeper. As US citizens we have to stop thinking of ourselves with such a myopic view. People depend on us to set an example by our actions. I think we should really be concerned with the root cause of why these Muslims are attracted to extremism in the first place - which is economic disparity and poverty.

Madelaine Albright was an abyssmal failure. The North Korean issue immediately comes to mind. There are others. The approach? Placate!

 

[KingsFanInRI]

looking at Frances history I suspect they will soon surrender to the rioters

LOL I had a similar thought... it seems as though France finally found a foe they could defeat... The FRENCH! LOL

 

[DawnCt1]

LOL I had a similar thought... it seems as though France finally found a foe they could defeat... The FRENCH! LOL

What a great line!!! Remember that one in case you go into stand up comedy!!

 

[Laura]

In hind sight, we probably should have but on the other hand, Rwanda wasn't exporting terrorism or developing WMD's.

Um, neither was Iraq when we invaded.


The issue here is poverty, plain and simple. I've just read of attacks on a recycling center, schools, McDonald's on top of all the burned-up cars. It's obviously not religiously motivated, at least not for all the rioters. The government isn't helping, particularly the Interior Minister with his comments.

 

[INSPECTOR CLOUSEAU]

Rich, Lets hope that it can remain that way and not cave in to extremists that seem to be running amok right now.

France cave in? NON.

 

[dcentity2000]

lol, it's a case of pick'n'mix enemies. Iraq was fine to invade, but the Congo has to go it alone



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

France cave in? NON.

INSPECTOR CLOUSEAU! W00T!



Rich::

 

[NJBlackBerry]

Cave in? The French policy of appeasement (anyone remember WW II) has failed miserably in the past and will fail again this time. French allowed all of the immigration to occur and did nothing to either stop it, help the immigrants assimilate or anything else. French culture will prevail. NOT.

Too bad. We have a lovely time in Paris this summer.

 

[DawnCt1]

Cave in? The French policy of appeasement (anyone remember WW II) has failed miserably in the past and will fail again this time. French allowed all of the immigration to occur and did nothing to either stop it, help the immigrants assimilate or anything else. French culture will prevail. NOT.

Too bad. We have a lovely time in Paris this summer.

10% of the population is made up of unassimilated immigrants from Islamic countries. The birth rate in that population far exceeds "replacement". The birth rate of the French and of Europeans outside of France falls short of "replacement". It is not hard to see where this is going over time.

 

[DawnCt1]

Um, neither was Iraq when we invaded.


The issue here is poverty, plain and simple. I've just read of attacks on a recycling center, schools, McDonald's on top of all the burned-up cars. It's obviously not religiously motivated, at least not for all the rioters. The government isn't helping, particularly the Interior Minister with his comments.

What do you call a $25,000 reward from Saddam to every suicide bomber's family?