The Poly2 Pricing Thread

Will Poly2 Be a Part of the Original Polynesian Condo Association?


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It would make sense for them to make it a new association. This should sell very well on its own if they don't make it Studio only. VGF2 was made part of the same because IMO they need to show more than just Studios available. Wilderness Lodge was already over 20 years in, so they needed to make it separate and it wasn't all studios like Polynesian.
 
I still think they have an opportunity to fix a mistake (creating a DVC resort without options of Villas) and it will be part of the same. I also don’t think the changes they made with regards to resale on Riveria have worked out the way they expected, and it’s made it far harder to sell direct.

All 5 of my contracts are resale, 2 of them smaller ones at Poly and I will buy additional points direct if it’s the same association so I have the points to stay in a Villa every year. If it’s separate I will just stick to my original every other year Poly studio plan.
 
Looks like Reflections with a better location! Probably going to be a really good resort, don't see them adding on to the current association though. Already own VGF, not a fan of the new studio only resort. Don't see them repeating this again especially since it's new construction and they are already studio only.
 
it dawned on me that I've obsessed on this topic for a few weeks and we've still got two years (ish) before it goes on sale LOL. Wonder how many thousands of comments this thread will have between now and then. I still have hope that this is one combined associaiton to allow balance of room options for the existing owners...then they'd almost have to drop the resale restrictions at RR. I really think they'd have better sales if they dropped em; especially when they could have 4 resorts selling come 2024 (RR, Poly 2, VGF2 and DHT). Meanwhile I told my guide that I wasn't going to buy VFG2 points and am saving for Poly instead. She was fine with the news, but as a salesperson, they have to be steamed with the timing of the announcement.
 

Got feeling resale restrictions are here to stay. As long as it's a new build I think it will be a new association. Don't think the restrictions hurt Riviera all that much, although I added on at CCV instead because of it and the fact that I love Wilderness lodge. Pretty sure COVID is what slowed down Riviera, after staying at Riviera a couple times, I would add on there without hesitation.
 
Got feeling resale restrictions are here to stay. As long as it's a new build I think it will be a new association. Don't think the restrictions hurt Riviera all that much, although I added on at CCV instead because of it and the fact that I love Wilderness lodge. Pretty sure COVID is what slowed down Riviera, after staying at Riviera a couple times, I would add on there without hesitation.
The sales data pre-covid show this to be true.
 
I tend to agree with you on both of these points. I am personally not a fan of the restrictions on resale points but think that they are here to stay.
Agree as well. I think we lucked out with VGF2, since it wasn’t a new build and was only studios, and that resale restrictions will continue to be alive and well with both Poly2 and DLT. I also think it’s a big negative for Poly1 owners, since both resale and direct buyers will be drawn to the new tower, not only bringing Poly1 resale pricing down, but also bringing additional crowds to Poly1 amenities.
 
Agree as well. I think we lucked out with VGF2, since it wasn’t a new build and was only studios, and that resale restrictions will continue to be alive and well with both Poly2 and DLT. I also think it’s a big negative for Poly1 owners, since both resale and direct buyers will be drawn to the new tower, not only bringing Poly1 resale pricing down, but also bringing additional crowds to Poly1 amenities.
 
The sales data pre-covid show this to be true.
So I think Initially people didn’t realize the impact the restrictions would have on value of their purchase and that’s why the early sales were good.

I know two people who bought riviera at the same time I bought a resale contract and mine has gone way UP in value (both resale price and direct from Disney) and their Riveria has gone way Dooooowwwwwnnnn in value from what they paid.

With the new system it’s very similar to a regular timeshare and it will not hold value nearly as well which will in turn make it less desirable. Doesn’t mean Disney won’t stick with it, but I think it will inevitably have a different result than they were thinking.

During covid resale prices sky rocketed, and that doesn’t happen without demand. So people were still buying DVC contracts, just not buying the restricted resort.
 
I know two people who bought riviera at the same time I bought a resale contract and mine has gone way UP in value (both resale price and direct from Disney) and their Riveria has gone way Dooooowwwwwnnnn in value from what they paid.

What data are you looking at to make the conclusion that Riviera has gone way down in value? Just curious. Resale prices for a resort are typically well below the direct price for the same resort.
 
So I think Initially people didn’t realize the impact the restrictions would have on value of their purchase and that’s why the early sales were good.

I know two people who bought riviera at the same time I bought a resale contract and mine has gone way UP in value (both resale price and direct from Disney) and their Riveria has gone way Dooooowwwwwnnnn in value from what they paid.

With the new system it’s very similar to a regular timeshare and it will not hold value nearly as well which will in turn make it less desirable. Doesn’t mean Disney won’t stick with it, but I think it will inevitably have a different result than they were thinking.

During covid resale prices sky rocketed, and that doesn’t happen without demand. So people were still buying DVC contracts, just not buying the restricted resort.
Thoughts:
1. I don't believe you are accounting for the fact that RVA is still in active sales directly from Disney. Your friends who purchased there should not expect their resale value to increase until RVA sells out and the main way to buy at that resort is resale. And then Disney will begin exercising ROFR.

2. I'm also puzzled by your "way dooowwwnnn" statement. A 150 pt RVA contract on the resale market currently goes for 155-160... that's not way down, that's within the expected $30-40 delta between direct and resale, given that a smiliar contract is in the high 190s direct, after incentives. And if the folks you mention purchased early on (pre-covid), then the resale price is actually not very far from the price back then, which was in the 170s. That's definitely not a plummet in value, especially given my first point.

3. To your last point, most people who buy DVC don't know there is a resale market to begin with. The pool of people buying contracts and choosing resale over RVA is quite small compared to those who wander around the parks, learn about DVC, and end up signing during their trip. There are more likely explanations for the rise in resale price, including the rise in direct price, the extra discretionary income from lack of travel during the height of the pandemic, stimulus money, etc... all of which likely geared up demand in the resale market.

4. Returning to your main argument that people initially didn't realize the impact of restrictions on resale value (which, keep in mind, we don't know what that impact is yet since the resort is not sold out), consider that RVA's sales were excellent during the first year of sales, ~115,000 points per month on average. Upon the resumption of sales after lock down, the numbers slumped comparatively and have averaged ~ 75,000 points per month since. (You can check out the numbers for every month through DVCnews.com).
The resale restrictions were well known since the opening of sales in April 2019, especially among folks in sites like these who know the resale market, and yet sales were so good they outshone VGF. The more reasonable explanation of what occurred in the spring of 2020 to bring down the average number of points sold per month is the pandemic. The drop is pretty marked by the start of lock down, I believe it's hard to argue otherwise given the timing. IMO it would be a silly argument, unless we are willing to negate the previous 3 points, and to accept that buyers were turned off by resale restrictions very suddenly between April and August of 2020, thus coinciding with the pandemic.
 
What data are you looking at to make the conclusion that Riviera has gone way down in value? Just curious. Resale prices for a resort are typically well below the direct price for the same resort.grand Floridian expires 6 years earlier than Riveria, and at least in March was available for direct promotional pricing similiar to Riviera. So both priced similiar direct but 12% less time remaining on grand Floridian and average resale is 15% higher on GF. I took that as people realizing and pushing back on restrictions but I could be wrong also.
What data are you looking at to make the conclusion that Riviera has gone way down in value? Just curious. Resale prices for a resort are typically well below the direct price for the same resort.
I haven’t been on board since early DVC, so I am only following what I’ve seen mostly the last few years. I’m basing my info strictly off of what the resale market is doing, so maybe that isn’t a great gauge.

For March 2022 Grand Floridian and Riviera were both available direct from Disney with promo discounts, on the resale market GF average sale for March was $172 and Riviera $151. Grand Floridian will expire 6 years earlier, so you get more years if you buy Riviera, but it sells for 15% less. I took that as the restrictions were having an impact on value.

With all that said I by︅ no means claim to be an expert, just voicing my opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️ I have 33 days booked in Disney over the next 12 months and if I wanted to sell after my trips I should get what I paid for my contracts, all my dues, and enough left over for a free trip next year. My one friend is trying to sell their Riviera because of where life has gone, and they will lose about 30% of what they paid and gotten one trip out of it.
 
Thoughts:
1. I don't believe you are accounting for the fact that RVA is still in active sales directly from Disney. Your friends who purchased there should not expect their resale value to increase until RVA sells out and the main way to buy at that resort is resale. And then Disney will begin exercising ROFR.

2. I'm also puzzled by your "way dooowwwnnn" statement. A 150 pt RVA contract on the resale market currently goes for 155-160... that's not way down, that's within the expected $30-40 delta between direct and resale, given that a smiliar contract is in the high 190s direct, after incentives. And if the folks you mention purchased early on (pre-covid), then the resale price is actually not very far from the price back then, which was in the 170s. That's definitely not a plummet in value, especially given my first point.

3. To your last point, most people who buy DVC don't know there is a resale market to begin with. The pool of people buying contracts and choosing resale over RVA is quite small compared to those who wander around the parks, learn about DVC, and end up signing during their trip. There are more likely explanations for the rise in resale price, including the rise in direct price, the extra discretionary income from lack of travel during the height of the pandemic, stimulus money, etc... all of which likely geared up demand in the resale market.

4. Returning to your main argument that people initially didn't realize the impact of restrictions on resale value (which, keep in mind, we don't know what that impact is yet since the resort is not sold out), consider that RVA's sales were excellent during the first year of sales, ~115,000 points per month on average. Upon the resumption of sales after lock down, the numbers slumped comparatively and have averaged ~ 75,000 points per month since. (You can check out the numbers for every month through DVCnews.com).
The resale restrictions were well known since the opening of sales in April 2019, especially among folks in sites like these who know the resale market, and yet sales were so good they outshone VGF. The more reasonable explanation of what occurred in the spring of 2020 to bring down the average number of points sold per month is the pandemic. The drop is pretty marked by the start of lock down, I believe it's hard to argue otherwise given the timing. IMO it would be a silly argument, unless we are willing to negate the previous 3 points, and to accept that buyers were turned off by resale restrictions very suddenly between April and August of 2020, thus coinciding with the pandemic.
I think whatever ends up happening with Poly2 will give us a better look into how Disney views those restrictions and how it’s impacted the market. If it in fact didn’t really have any impact on ease of sale then you will be right I’m sure on it being it’s own association cause there would be zero reason to add on to original poly for Disney unless they felt it would be easier to sell.

I know from my eyes, I almost bought GF2 direct because I would like to have one direct contract at this point. If Poly2 is an add on I will 100% buy 150 points direct. If it’s separate with restrictions I will look to buy GF2 if it’s still available or another resale and accept I won’t have the direct benefits.
 
I know this is probably a dumb question but If there are resale restrictions with Poly 2 would a resale buyer only be able to book there or also at Riviera which also has those resale restrictions? Assuming it’s just at Poly 2 but if it included access to other resorts with restrictions that wouldn’t be as harsh.
 
I know this is probably a dumb question but If there are resale restrictions with Poly 2 would a resale buyer only be able to book there or also at Riviera which also has those resale restrictions? Assuming it’s just at Poly 2 but if it included access to other resorts with restrictions that wouldn’t be as harsh.
It would allow you to book at poly2 only.
 
I know this is probably a dumb question but If there are resale restrictions with Poly 2 would a resale buyer only be able to book there or also at Riviera which also has those resale restrictions?
Not a dumb question. Short answer is No, Poly 2 resale (assuming it is it's own association and points are restricted) would be valid at Poly2 only. There is no post O14 network of restricted resorts on the horizon. Every restricted resort's resale would be good for the home resort only.
 
I know this is probably a dumb question but If there are resale restrictions with Poly 2 would a resale buyer only be able to book there or also at Riviera which also has those resale restrictions? Assuming it’s just at Poly 2 but if it included access to other resorts with restrictions that wouldn’t be as harsh.
If I understand it correctly (not 100% positive though), any new hotels with the restrictions would only be able to be used at the specific resort if resold.

So anyone buying Riviera on resale market will only have access to Riviera even if they add more with restrictions. Maybe that’s something they would look at changing though if they do add more
 
I haven’t been on board since early DVC, so I am only following what I’ve seen mostly the last few years. I’m basing my info strictly off of what the resale market is doing, so maybe that isn’t a great gauge.

For March 2022 Grand Floridian and Riviera were both available direct from Disney with promo discounts, on the resale market GF average sale for March was $172 and Riviera $151. Grand Floridian will expire 6 years earlier, so you get more years if you buy Riviera, but it sells for 15% less. I took that as the restrictions were having an impact on value.

With all that said I by︅ no means claim to be an expert, just voicing my opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️ I have 33 days booked in Disney over the next 12 months and if I wanted to sell after my trips I should get what I paid for my contracts, all my dues, and enough left over for a free trip next year. My one friend is trying to sell their Riviera because of where life has gone, and they will lose about 30% of what they paid and gotten one trip out of it.

Nothing wrong with expressing one's opinion! We all do so here. :)

It definitely sux that your friend has to sell soon after purchasing points directly, that is a risk of buying directly. I don't think you should reasonably expect to get the same money out of the points as you spent, in this scenario.
 
Nothing wrong with expressing one's opinion! We all do so here. :)

It definitely sux that your friend has to sell soon after purchasing points directly, that is a risk of buying directly. I don't think you should reasonably expect to get the same money out of the points as you spent, in this scenario.
Yeah I feel awful for them, they love Disney but his job never returned after it was furloughed during covid.

They were shocked that properties which have less than half the years remaining sell for more than they were recommended to list theirs for, and their resale rep said that was 100% because of restrictions. He also implied that it isn’t working out for Disney like they expected but obviously he is not unbiased and very much on opposite spectrum lol
 



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