The Poly2 Pricing Thread

[PolynesianPip]

Under the DVC Resort Agreement for the Polynesian (attached as Exhibit H to the Condo Declaration), "Polynesian Villas" is defined as a resort project known as Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows, a leasehold condominium, located in Orange County, Florida. I would like to think that one of the many lawyers who reviewed the Form 8-K prior to filing would have flagged this if there was a chance it was going to be a separate association.

Where can we find this?

 

[Sandisw]

Under the DVC Resort Agreement for the Polynesian (attached as Exhibit H to the Condo Declaration), "Polynesian Villas" is defined as a resort project known as Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows, a leasehold condominium, located in Orange County, Florida. I would like to think that one of the many lawyers who reviewed the Form 8-K prior to filing would have flagged this if there was a chance it was going to be a separate association.

Potentially..but again, they can change the names at anytime. Since nothing is yet offically declared, names, or for sale, it doesn’t really matter.

Remember, they changed VWL to BRV. Maybe they could be changing PVB to something like Seven Seas Villas and Bungalows and make the new tower Polynesian Villas at Luau Cover Tower.

It certainly seems like a clue…no doubt…but in the context of things…given FW cabins was the name of the cash cabins and what was used here as well, I am not sure it’s that a huge one.

As I mentioned, they will have to have two different names of some sense in order for people to know, when booking studios, whether it’s a long house or the tower.

 

[kneely58]

Where can we find this?

Go here: https://occompt.com/official-records/search-official-records/, hit "accept", select "basic official records search", search for Document # 20150007003 and it starts on page 205 of that document.

It's a very interesting read and includes provisions such as "DVD has the right, in its discretion, but not the obligation, to add other land, units and facilities, whether or not developed by The TWDC Companies, as part of the Polynesian Villas" in Section 3.1(d). There's also a whole Article (Article VI) talking regarding adding additional DVC Resorts to the system. I thought this provision was particularly interesting: "In making a decision to associate additional DVC Resorts, BVTC shall use its best efforts, in good faith and based upon all available evidence under the circumstances, to further the best interests of Club Members taken as a whole with respect to the Club Members' opportunity to use and enjoy all of the Vacation Homes and related facilities made available through the DVC Reservation Component."

 

[Sandisw]

Where can we find this?

All resort POS documents can’t be found here:

https://www.dvcfieldguide.com/public

There was also updated language last year that some believe supports them leaning to the new association

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...5415/MS_POS_Insert_12_2022_clean_12222022.pdf

 

[kneely58]

All resort POS documents can’t be found here:

https://www.dvcfieldguide.com/public

There was also updated language last year that some believe supports them leaning to the new association

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...5415/MS_POS_Insert_12_2022_clean_12222022.pdf

Interesting that they refer to the existing Polynesian resort on page 7 of that 2022 document as "Polynesian Villas" as well.

 

[Sandisw]

Interesting that they refer to the existing Polynesian resort on page 7 of that 2022 document as "Polynesian Villas" as well.

Correct because that is all that currently exists. As you can tell, it’s only talking about the current rooms.

Until it is officially submitted in declarations, they can’t refer to the current rooms as anything else.

I think we are getting to the point where a decision will be known soon…my guess is as early as November….possibly even when the 2025 point charts are related.

Certainly interesting now it was put in the slide…but if it was to be the official or even unofficial announcements…and the wording of FW is what leads me to think it’s not meant to say one way or the other.

I believe the intent of the initial language was to allow DVD to use those two interchangeable when talking about what currently exists at the resort.

 

[kneely58]

Correct because that is all that currently exists. As you can tell, it’s only talking about the current rooms.

Until it is officially submitted in declarations, they can’t refer to the current rooms as anything else.

I think we are getting to the point where a decision will be known soon…my guess is as early as November….possibly even when the 2025 point charts are related.

Certainly interesting now it was put in the slide…but if it was to be the official or even unofficial announcements…and the wording of FW is what leads me to think it’s not meant to say one way or the other.

I believe the intent of the initial language was to allow DVD to use those two interchangeable when talking about what currently exists at the resort.

I see what you are saying. Based on the DVC Resort Agreement and the 2022 POS revisions document, it seems that the term "Polynesian Villas" that they used in the 8-K just filed with the SEC (as opposed to "Polynesian Village Resort" or something else) refers to the existing DVC project, but that may not have been intentional.

 

[Doberge]

Got it. I think you might want to type that out at least once. I know internally, existing Poly owners will know what you mean, but casual readers, especially those contemplating buying, may not, and get the acronym confused. Already in the thread there have actually been (including this page) numerous references to the distance between the new tower and various points at Grand Floridian.

That's fair. I've updated the post at your recommendation.

 

[mamaofsix]

Potentially..but again, they can change the names at anytime. Since nothing is yet offically declared, names, or for sale, it doesn’t really matter.

Remember, they changed VWL to BRV. Maybe they could be changing PVB to something like Seven Seas Villas and Bungalows and make the new tower Polynesian Villas at Luau Cover Tower.

It certainly seems like a clue…no doubt…but in the context of things…given FW cabins was the name of the cash cabins and what was used here as well, I am not sure it’s that a huge one.

As I mentioned, they will have to have two different names of some sense in order for people to know, when booking studios, whether it’s a long house or the tower.

Should be pretty easy to give the studios different names for the point chart, as we've seen with VGF. "Deluxe Studio" vs. "Resort Studio" at VGF.

"Longhouse Studios" vs. "Tower Studios" ?

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Having reviewed all of these helpful (but inconclusive) documents I'm ready to predict the name of the the Tower whether or not it is new association:

I'm calling it the ""Polynesian Luau Tower" (PLT) at Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows. ...Similar to "Bay Lake Tower" (BLT) at Disney's Contemporary Resort.

And I predict a top-floor dining experience: The Polynesian Luau Dinner Show ! (Paging Mr Don Ho !!!)

 

[cdirazonian]

This has probably previously been mentioned, if so sorry to repeat it, I mightve missed it.

but I was looking around the site Sandisw posted and saw the below dated March 27, 2023. Don’t know if it means anything just thought it curious as they state under 2015 block PVB “future expansion announced 2022”. Instead of having its own 2022 block saying “future DVC Resort“. Might be reading too much into it, lol.

 

[cdirazonian]

Oh. Never mind. I thought this was from DVC, LOL

 

[TheDailyMoo]

Thank you, very interesting information.
If they continue with Poly and GF bus sharing, I would suggest going to Poly bus stop when leaving. First stop for the buses, so better chance of a seat. Although, rope drop I believe they sometimes send a bus directly to GF to avoid too long a wait there.

I wonder if they'll go heavier on the boat launches to MK. Of course still doesn't help all the other parks. It may just be that if you want Poly tower you're just going to have to accept a longer walk to transportation.

 

[Jwaire]

 

[aka Charles]

Watching the above video I spotted something at the north end of the tower.
It appears that I missed 6 units.
Not just 6 units, but 6 more Duo Studio Villas, standard view.
That brings the total to 30 Duo Studios.
I have circled the bottom 3 of these in the screenshot below.



They are inset like the others and go from floor 2 to 7.
Their location on the floor plan is circled below.
And again the first floor seems to use this space for storage, and possibly an emergency exit.


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[Sandisw]

Should be pretty easy to give the studios different names for the point chart, as we've seen with VGF. "Deluxe Studio" vs. "Resort Studio" at VGF.

"Longhouse Studios" vs. "Tower Studios" ?

Tower studios would be confusing since those are ar RIV and are two person rooms.

With BPK being a whole new kind of studio it was easy.

I guess if they make the studios all resort studios and not deluxe studios, it could work.

But, even if it is the same, it just makes sense to me to have different names like AKV does. No chance of booking the wrong thing.

 

[aka Charles]

This brings the my total number to 262, not including floors 9 & 10.

By view:
Standard view - 125
Pool view - 30
Lagoon/Theme Park view - 107

By villa size:
2 Bedroom, dedicated - 6
Duo Studio - 30
1 Bedroom - 88 (including lock-offs)
Studio - 138 (including lock-offs)

The upper two floors could be Grand Villas, with or without a few more studios.
It is hard to tell so far, as the layout is very different from the other floors.
If there are 8 units total on those 2 floors, the grand total would be 270.
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[KimMcGowan]

Thanks for posting that, @Jwaire!

Looks like it's just first floor, but still cool to see!

Breakdowns of what I can see:
View attachment 795178
Orange = 2 Bedroom Lock-off
Blue = Dedicated 1 Bedrooms
Pink = Dedicated Deluxe Studios
Green = Duo

This is the lower 2 Bedroom Lock-off, can even see the dividing door:
View attachment 795172\\
Curiously, they don't draw the entire wall dividing the Studio from the 1BR?

This is the Duo-style room:
View attachment 795173

There are 2 different bathroom layouts for the 2BRLOs? The one on the left is VDH-style, but the one on the right is different. Accessibility maybe?
View attachment 795177


I think these are the top two 1 Bedrooms (dedicated), but the 'open' wall between them is confusing:
View attachment 795180
Again, an alternate bathroom layout. Top one is VDH-style, bottom may be accessibility?

And finally, two of what I think are dedicated Deluxe Studios, again two different bathroom layouts and an MIA dividing wall:

View attachment 795181

I guess I need some help understanding this. Those pink squares do not look like 2 separate rooms to me. If it was 2 rooms wouldn’t each square have the exact same things in them? They look different to me. Not being difficult, just not sure what I am seeing.

 

[ehh]

I guess I need some help understanding this. Those pink squares do not look like 2 separate rooms to me. If it was 2 rooms wouldn’t each square have the exact same things in them? They look different to me. Not being difficult, just not sure what I am seeing.

Both rooms highlighted in pink have doors that go into the hallway, which is a strong indicator they are separate rooms. Because they're slightly different internally, especially the bathrooms, the speculation is that one is an accessibility room.

EDIT: I'd also like to float the idea of walk-in shower in the top room vs. tub in the lower room. But I'm not sure how well that has been received at CCV.

 

[Johtull12]

I wonder if they'll go heavier on the boat launches to MK. Of course still doesn't help all the other parks. It may just be that if you want Poly tower you're just going to have to accept a longer walk to transportation.

TTC is a 10 min walk