The Official DIS Oscars LIVE Watch Party Thread! The Afterparty continues. . .

[Tink-osophy]

I've always liked the reminder that there's a freedom in ignoring both praise and criticism, but you have to ignore both.

In Hollywood the special treatment, the flattery and praise, the invasions of privacy, the criticism and ridicule are all so ...BIG! Are they willing to let go of the out-of-proportion VIP status in order to release the other side of the coin, the negatives, I wonder?

Is it fair their, arguably over-inflated, bubble of self-importance is just left to keep swelling? I'm not saying the comment to Jada itself is funny, but that the intent was comedy necessary to burst that bubble for some kind of balance.

As Russell Brand says (in the video above), the pageantry itself is the problem.

I prefer comedians who take aim at the masks these celebs. wear, rather than their real faces behind them; but I also prefer when all these show business awards shows (and there are so many!) remember they are about entertainment for the rest of us and don't take themselves so seriously. After all, don't we tune in to be entertained by the entertainment industry? ...Not to be lectured! Or to watch them fawn! I just think the whole balance of professionals celebrating their industry, along with the politics and the fact that it's also a big long commercial promoting their work for sales, is out-of-whack. They need to be more self-deprecating.

Interestingly, before the Oscars, Seth Rogan was reported as querying why the entertainment business should expect anyone outside of it to care what awards they bestow upon themselves!

 

[leeniewdw]

I've always liked the reminder that there's a freedom in ignoring both praise and criticism, but you have to ignore both.
[snip]

Interestingly, before the Oscars, Seth Rogan was reported as querying why the entertainment business should expect anyone outside of it to care what awards they bestow upon themselves!

Love that first line!

Like everything else, the internet & technology changed so much. The Oscars pre-dates cable TV, VHS players, DVD players, streaming TV, social media. It used to be a thing to watch among small choices of things to watch on TV. Now everyone knows EVERYTHING about everyone (for the most part). The directors resumes, the stylists people use, the personal thoughts of the nominees just by looking at their phones.

Seth might be correct, and I guess the ratings over the years reflect that fewer people do care, but a viral moment will be seen by millions and millions.

I know I contribute to the world of entertainment because you need a dozen subs to see the entertainment you wish to consume! It's frustrating.

 

[DLgal]

I've always liked the reminder that there's a freedom in ignoring both praise and criticism, but you have to ignore both.

In Hollywood the special treatment, the flattery and praise, the invasions of privacy, the criticism and ridicule are all so ...BIG! Are they willing to let go of the out-of-proportion VIP status in order to release the other side of the coin, the negatives, I wonder?

Is it fair their, arguably over-inflated, bubble of self-importance is just left to keep swelling? I'm not saying the comment to Jada itself is funny, but that the intent was comedy necessary to burst that bubble for some kind of balance.

As Russell Brand says (in the video above), the pageantry itself is the problem.

I prefer comedians who take aim at the masks these celebs. wear, rather than their real faces behind them; but I also prefer when all these show business awards shows (and there are so many!) remember they are about entertainment for the rest of us and don't take themselves so seriously. After all, don't we tune in to be entertained by the entertainment industry? ...Not to be lectured! Or to watch them fawn! I just think the whole balance of professionals celebrating their industry, along with the politics and the fact that it's also a big long commercial promoting their work for sales, is out-of-whack. They need to be more self-deprecating.

Interestingly, before the Oscars, Seth Rogan was reported as querying why the entertainment business should expect anyone outside of it to care what awards they bestow upon themselves!

Very perceptive. I think all these celebrities would do well to remember that these televised awards shows are just another performance piece. By attending, they implicitly agree to be part of the performance. Anyone who dislikes the way the Oscars tends to become a bit of a comedy roast is free to not attend. There is no requirement to attend, even as a nominee. The Oscar's, Emmy's, Golden Globes, etc. are a production for public consumption. And yeah, basically a big advertisement. It shouldn't be taken so seriously by ANYONE, but when we have a display like we had this time, it's like ripping the curtain down to expose the Wizard pulling the strings. The illusion is broken and you see Hollywood for what it actually is, and that is incredibly damaging to the industry. Will pulled down that curtain and then frantically tried to put it back with that tone deaf acceptance speech. But we all saw the Wizard back there.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Let’s face it. We are all pretty ****ed up right now. There is a false narrative that is being forced on society and when one falters…it’s over for you. Not sure how it all works out but at some point we need to start being real humans again. Hey. just my thoughts!

 

[DLgal]

Let’s face it. We are all pretty ****ed up right now. There is a false narrative that is being forced on society and when one falters…it’s over for you. Not sure how it all works out but at some point we need to start being real humans again. Hey. just my thoughts!

To be fair, that seems to only apply to people in either positions of power or influence. If you're not important enough to be cancelled, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[leeniewdw]

Very perceptive. I think all these celebrities would do well to remember that these televised awards shows are just another performance piece. By attending, they implicitly agree to be part of the performance. Anyone who dislikes the way the Oscars tends to become a bit of a comedy roast is free to not attend. There is no requirement to attend, even as a nominee. The Oscar's, Emmy's, Golden Globes, etc. are a production for public consumption. And yeah, basically a big advertisement. It shouldn't be taken so seriously by ANYONE, but when we have a display like we had this time, it's like ripping the curtain down to expose the Wizard pulling the strings. The illusion is broken and you see Hollywood for what it actually is, and that is incredibly damaging to the industry. Will pulled down that curtain and then frantically tried to put it back with that tone deaf acceptance speech. But we all saw the Wizard back there.

I think of it less about how "hollywood is" but more how being rich/famous/powerful is. There are different rules. Those that become rich/famous/powerful and don't end up head cases are to be admired I suppose. Will's actions speak to him, his state of mind (whatever that was), and a loss of his temper.

There's a continuum of class and power. It's how kids that do stupid things in college but have parents/resources to hire lawyers get more lenient outcomes than kids that don't have those resources. It's how people who can post bail get out of jail for the same alleged crimes when others cannot. I could go on and on but I'll stop. I do agree he (and those who gave him a standing O) lifted the curtain on how success/money/power work. This time the setting was a hollywood award ceremony.

Let’s face it. We are all pretty ****ed up right now. There is a false narrative that is being forced on society and when one falters…it’s over for you. Not sure how it all works out but at some point we need to start being real humans again. Hey. just my thoughts

I believe in redemption. But you don't get it 30 minutes after you've committed a crime on national television. You get it thru actions and deeds....and time. Tiger Woods was a pretty ****ty spouse apparently, yet he's still one of the most famous athletes in the world where everyone pulls for him (myself included I suppose). But it takes time.

 

[chickapin parterre]

Bruce Feiler...The first love story Adam, Eve and us

HELEN FISCHER, JPROMINENT ANTRHOPOLGIST OF LOVE FOUND THAT THE WAYS WE EXPERICNE LOVE ALSO DIFFER LITTLE ACROSS AGE, RACE GENDER, RELIGION AND SEXUAL PREFERENCE. pEOPLE OF ALL TYPES CAN BE JUST AS PASSIONATE, TENDER, AROUSED, ANGRY AND COMMITTED TOWARD THEIR LOVED ONES AS ANYONE ELSE

Exactly...this is the opposite of love and immediately makes me think of manipulative violent ppl. Again, something we teach our kids when we talk about healthy v. unhealthy relationships. It's really sickening and kinda makes you wonder how much of a chance young ppl. have when this is the kind of crap they're surrounded by.

 

[TLSnell1981]

To be fair, that seems to only apply to people in either positions of power or influence. If you're not important enough to be cancelled, you have nothing to worry about.

Maybe. Personally I think we all are vulnerable and/or potentially affected in some shape or fashion. Again my thoughts!

 

[DLgal]

Maybe. Personally I think we all are vulnerable and/or potentially affected in some shape or fashion. Again my thoughts!

Well, everyone answers to someone, or has someone in their life that can be affected by their actions, but the consequences for most people don't extend beyond their own 4 walls.

 

[Imzadi]

And another thing... if Will and Jada had not been so put out by Chris Rock's joke, Jada might have actually been able to parlay the G.I. Jane 2 idea into a movie role. Just sayin'.

Yes. Only a week before, she sat and said she's happy with her bald head. Maybe Chris had seen that video.

So, she's giving out mixed messages. She's free and empowered. Now, she's a victim where her husband has to fight for her honor.

I get it's multi-layered. And that maybe she was just saying that she's now in a happy place with her hair, as a defense to stop people from making fun of her. But, how are other people supposed to know that?

VIDEO LINK EDITED a second time: (Jada took down her original post on TikTok. But TMZ still has a copy. )

Here is the TikTok video where she says she doesn't care what people think of her bald head. SHE loves it. Scroll down the TMZ page to watch it.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/29/jada...-bald-head-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars/

 

[jdb in AZ]

It's one thing for Jada to try to put a brave face on her condition. It's another thing for a comedian to joke about it on an internationally televised awards show.

 

[Imzadi]

Russell Brand has his own hair issues. He always looks to me, like he needs to go wash it. So, maybe he's not one to be talking about whether Jada should think her hair issue is important or not.

And I don't think he's ever been invited to the Oscars or a Hollywood red carpet. I do think his ex-wife, Katy Perry, the year after their divorce, was on either the Emmys, Grammys or Oscars. So, him saying he thinks there shouldn't be award shows could be from that.

That being said, I DO agree with him that they are frivolous and over the top in excess. I agree with @Tink-osophy when she said:

but I also prefer when all these show business awards shows (and there are so many!) remember they are about entertainment for the rest of us and don't take themselves so seriously. After all, don't we tune in to be entertained by the entertainment industry? ...Not to be lectured!

There have been posts where some fellow DISers don't understand why we have award show threads and would watch together. For the majority of us, it IS for the fluff, frivolity of seeing the dresses and maybe getting a couple new shows and movies to watch later. Or to root for movies we did see and loved, and want other people to see them too. There are groups of people who do take them more seriously. Yet, the majority of us here don't really take the shows that seriously. And we certainly don't want a political lecture during the show. The fun for us is watching the fluff TOGETHER and chatting about it. It IS entertainment.

. . . At least until the slap.

 

[leeniewdw]

It's one thing for Jada to try to put a brave face on her condition. It's another thing for a comedian to joke about it on an internationally televised awards show.

It is another thing, yes....it's a joke. Even if you think it's a lame joke. He was not insulting her. I'm not one to follow any of these people on social media but I've seen (because it's everywhere) that she was on either insta or tiktok like a day earlier saying something like "I don't care what people think, I love it" (or something like that).

If someone else had had a gigantic hairdo and he made a joke comparing it to Marsha Blackburn or Tammy Faye Baker do we all think it's more than a joke (and in that case it's a comparison to a something/someone negative).

Anyway -- just thinking about how Chris Rock didn't even brace or protect himself. He was either as stunned as everyone else or was afraid (or as other's have said) to start an actual scuffle.

 

[leeniewdw]

Russell Brand has his own hair issues. He always looks to me, like he needs to go wash it. So, maybe he's not one to be talking about whether Jada should think her hair issue is important or not.

And I don't think he's ever been invited to the Oscars or a Hollywood red carpet. I do think his ex-wife, Katy Perry, the year after their divorce, was on either the Emmys, Grammys or Oscars. So, him saying he thinks there shouldn't be award shows could be from that.

I'm pretty sure he's been a presenter in the past.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Rock compared Jada to another beautiful strong woman. Now if he’d called her Brittany I could possibly understand the upset. It may have been hurtful but it wasn’t mean spirited IMO. It certainly didn’t warrant being cursed and punched on live TV. Totally my opinion.

 

[Imzadi]

It's one thing for Jada to try to put a brave face on her condition. It's another thing for a comedian to joke about it on an internationally televised awards show.

TMZ has sources that say Chris didn't know it was a medical condition.

but I've seen (because it's everywhere) that she was on either insta or tiktok like a day earlier saying something like "I don't care what people think, I love it" (or something like that).

Yes! I knew I had seen it too and that I had the wrong video to post. Jada very strongly posted that she doesn't care what people think. SHE loves it.

I particularly disliked Smith playing the victim in his acceptance speech, whining about how actors have to take abuse, be disrespected, etc. and take it with a smile on their face.

Because she said she doesn't care what people think, and whether Chris did know or did not know it was a medical condition, he may have been going with she said she doesn't care what people think of her being bald. I also don't like how the Pinkett-Smiths are acting now like they are victims. Jada put out a certain narrative SHE need to be responsible for. She doesn't get to walk it back because her husband hit someone for saying, "Jada, I love you. GI Jane 2, can't wait to see it."

Chris Rock is the victim. He was physically assaulted.

 

[leeniewdw]

Rock compared Jada to another beautiful strong woman. Now if he’d called her Brittany I could possibly understand the upset. It may have been hurtful but it wasn’t mean spirited IMO. It certainly didn’t warrant being cursed and punched on live TV. Totally my opinion.

That's a GREAT contrast. Had he said that it would have been extremely unkind to Britney AND Jada. And had he done that, Rock would have deserved the backlash in the court of public opinion (and perhaps the Oscars for the future). Rock and any comedian walk that line the entire careers, be edgy and uniquely funny, but careful to no cross it and suffer the backlash when you do.

If Rock was up to date on Jada's condition and her feelings it doesn't seem to me it's an insult (she's on record loving it). If he's not up to date, it's just talking about her hairstyle as it pertains to other movie stars/movies also not an insult. Could she have felt insulted or picked on? Sure. Let JADA act on those!

 

[Imzadi]

Anyway -- just thinking about how Chris Rock didn't even brace or protect himself. He was either as stunned as everyone else or was afraid (or as other's have said) to start an actual scuffle.

You just reminded me, I saw this on The View today. Turns out Chris Rock had also been victimized a lot as a child. This was on Chris' podcast two months before Will hit him. (So BOTH men had horrific incidents of being victims as a child.) Yet, Chris was still able to respond in a professional way and focus on keeping the show moving forward. Again, he deserves so much credit and kudos for how he responded.

 

[anniemae]

Chris is truly a class act. He apologized to Wanda Sykes after the incident. Here is what she said:

"I was like, 'Why are you apologizing?' He was like, 'It was supposed to be your night. You and Amy and Regina were doing such a great job. I'm so sorry this is now gonna be about this.'"

 

[Imzadi]

It is another thing, yes....it's a joke. Even if you think it's a lame joke. He was not insulting her. I'm not one to follow any of these people on social media but I've seen (because it's everywhere) that she was on either insta or tiktok like a day earlier saying something like "I don't care what people think, I love it" (or something like that).

EDITED: Jada took it down from her TikTok feed.
TMZ still has a copy of the TikTok video where she says she doesn't care what people think of her bald head. SHE loves it. Scroll down the TMZ page to watch it.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/29/jada...-bald-head-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars/

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