The nutters in CA who chained up 13 kids...

From the above article, why?:

The next hearing after Wednesday’s is scheduled for Feb. 23, at which attorneys will discuss with the judge their preparedness for a preliminary hearing. Judge Michael B. Donner has again approved a request from the Riverside County Public Defender’s Office for the defendants to wear street clothes instead of jail attire at the hearing.
 
From the above article, why?:

The next hearing after Wednesday’s is scheduled for Feb. 23, at which attorneys will discuss with the judge their preparedness for a preliminary hearing. Judge Michael B. Donner has again approved a request from the Riverside County Public Defender’s Office for the defendants to wear street clothes instead of jail attire at the hearing.
Easiest answer......because wearing jail issued clothing can give the appearance of guilt according to SCOTUS.
 
Easiest answer......because wearing jail issued clothing can give the appearance of guilt according to SCOTUS.
Keeping your malnourished children shackled to the furniture in their own filth can also give the appearance of guilt. :p I can't believe these people would think they have a snowball's chance in hell regardless of what they're wearing.

Interesting that they were planning to move within a couple of days. I'm very curious to know if or how that may have played a role in being the triggering event for them to attempt an escape. I'd imagine sorting through their hoard in preparation to move would be a likely opportunity to stumble upon a forgotten cell phone, so perhaps that's how that happened. And I wonder if there was a reason the kids may have felt it was "now or never" with the move imminent. Did they see this as one more step further into isolation, or did the parents go as far as threatening to leave the kids behind like they'd done with pets, locked in to starve to death? Maybe it was just an opportune time due to the parents being distracted with moving preparations. Or maybe the two events had nothing to do with each other and the timing was just coincidental. I'm sure this will all come out at some point.

According to the criminal complaint, the lewd act charge was on behalf of the 17 year old, the same girl who made the escape, for an incident(s?) that occurred when she was approximately twelve. From what we know, she strikes me as one who is ready to take these jerks down (yay for her! :cheer2:) and I wouldn't be surprised if more charges of this nature are brought against the father as some of the perhaps-more-reluctant victims are coaxed into telling their stories.

As if my jumbled thoughts aren't all over the place enough already, I've been meaning to comment on the mother being "perplexed" when the police showed up. She wasn't perplexed (unless her perplexed expression was due to her trying to figure out how she was going to try to weasel out of this now that the police were standing in her living room.) No, remember, three of those kids were shackled when the cops showed up and the Turpins rushed to unchain them, successfully freeing two before the police came in. She knew what she was doing to those kids was wrong.
 
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Keeping your malnourished children shackled to the furniture in their own filth can also give the appearance of guilt. :p I can't believe these people would think they have a snowball's chance in hell regardless of what they're wearing.

Interesting that they were planning to move within a couple of days. I'm very curious to know if or how that may have played a role in being the triggering event for them to attempt an escape. I'd imagine sorting through their hoard in preparation to move would be a likely opportunity to stumble upon a forgotten cell phone, so perhaps that's how that happened. And I wonder if there was a reason the kids may have felt it was "now or never" with the move imminent. Did they see this as one more step further into isolation, or did the parents go as far as threatening to leave the kids behind like they'd done with pets, locked in to starve to death? Or maybe the two events had nothing to do with each other and the timing was just coincidental. I'm sure this will all come out at some point.

According to the criminal complaint, the lewd act charge was on behalf of the 17 year old, the same girl who made the escape, for an incident(s?) that occurred when she was approximately twelve. From what we know, she strikes me as one who is ready to take these jerks down (yay for her! :cheer2:) and I wouldn't be surprised if more charges of this nature are brought against the father as some of the perhaps-more-reluctant victims are coaxed into telling their stories.

As if my jumbled thoughts aren't all over the place enough already, I've been meaning to comment on the mother being "perplexed" when the police showed up. She wasn't perplexed (unless her perplexed expression was due to her trying to figure out how she was going to try to weasel out of this now that the police were standing in her living room.) No, remember, three of those kids were shackled when the cops showed up and the Turpins rushed to unchain them, successfully freeing two before the police came in. She knew what she was doing to those kids was wrong.


I was thinking they may have come up with an idea of how to do it and were just waiting for the right time. Moving to a new unfamiliar house they'd have to start from scratch to come up with a plan. Which could take months or longer.
 
I was thinking they may have come up with an idea of how to do it and were just waiting for the right time. Moving to a new unfamiliar house they'd have to start from scratch to come up with a plan. Which could take months or longer.
Also, they'd previously lived in far more rural areas where it would be harder to get to help, and take longer for help to arrive or even find the address. This house was near others in a more densely packed neighborhood. Perhaps fear of moving to another rural location played in
 
I don't know if this has been discussed, although I haven't seen it mentioned but I was wondering who the children are staying with now.
 
Poor kids- they are going to split them up in 2 groups in foster care, good they will at least have some siblings together but sad to split up sibling groups.- adults going to assisted living. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ar-AAv5nhr?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

The article mentioned that the minors will be split into two foster homes. While it is sad that they are to be separated, finding someone who can take them all in is challenging. Hopefully they won;t be too far geographically and will be able to see each other frequently as they work through what has happened to them and what lies ahead.
 
Also, they'd previously lived in far more rural areas where it would be harder to get to help, and take longer for help to arrive or even find the address. This house was near others in a more densely packed neighborhood. Perhaps fear of moving to another rural location played in

Yes, the new place might not have cellphone reception, not have a window they could easily break out of. And all the children could be about to be moved to some dank, dark cellar with no windows and no way to escape. Geez, can you imagine if they were found or escaped later when the oldest child was age 37 or 52 instead of age 29? :( It would probably have happened when one parent finally died and the other could no longer keep them all prisoners by him/herself.
 
The article mentioned that the minors will be split into two foster homes. While it is sad that they are to be separated, finding someone who can take them all in is challenging. Hopefully they won;t be too far geographically and will be able to see each other frequently as they work through what has happened to them and what lies ahead.
I hate they are going to be split up. That is going to be so hard on them.
 

This was surprising to hear. I thought the news said he was studying music or art courses. Maybe, :scratchin before the abuse began, when he was very young and still in regular school, he showed and aptitude for music or art. When the abuse started, he found a way to appease his mother, change her mood, by singing/playing music/drawing art, probably Disney related, so he didn't get abused as much as the others. (I say mother as she was the one who actually took the time to drive him to classes & wait for him.)

He could have also been used as an example to the others. "If you are really good and don't keep trying to escape, we may let you go to college too, someday." Of course the rest never would. The parents didn't have the money for them. Nor would they spend the money on them if they had it. They'd probably make up reasons to keep punishing them.

I wonder though, if he was the one who got the info for the 17 yr old on who and how to call 911. It would be easy to casually talk to other students while at class. He took 6 semesters at the college. (3 years.) They had been planning the escape for 2 years. Possibly, after the first year, he & his sister then planned how to get the info they'd need to escape while he was in class, borrowing someone's phone or tablet, now & then, to look up info on the Internet. The 17 yr old KNEW to have pics taken and on the cellphone of the other children chained up, either to send to 911 or so the cops who arrived to talk to her would believe her before going to the house.
 
This was surprising to hear. I thought the news said he was studying music or art courses. Maybe, :scratchin before the abuse began, when he was very young and still in regular school, he showed and aptitude for music or art. When the abuse started, he found a way to appease his mother, change her mood, by singing/playing music/drawing art, probably Disney related, so he didn't get abused as much as the others. (I say mother as she was the one who actually took the time to drive him to classes & wait for him.)

He could have also been used as an example to the others. "If you are really good and don't keep trying to escape, we may let you go to college too, someday." Of course the rest never would. The parents didn't have the money for them. Nor would they spend the money on them if they had it. They'd probably make up reasons to keep punishing them.

I wonder though, if he was the one who got the info for the 17 yr old on who and how to call 911. It would be easy to casually talk to other students while at class. He took 6 semesters at the college. (3 years.) They had been planning the escape for 2 years. Possibly, after the first year, he & his sister then planned how to get the info they'd need to escape while he was in class, borrowing someone's phone or tablet, now & then, to look up info on the Internet. The 17 yr old KNEW to have pics taken and on the cellphone of the other children chained up, either to send to 911 or so the cops who arrived to talk to her would believe her before going to the house.


I think that this is an interesting theory. I have not read any accounts from his classmates, and am interested to hear what others have to say. Actually surprised that no one has landed in the media "offering" their thoughts on him. Although if he did receive help from others, where they not suspicious of his home life? Since he looked so young did he pretend to be a high schooler to explain why his mom took him and waited for him?
 
I do find it interesting that the son attended those college courses. Amazing that he was allowed to at all, and if so why him? why those courses?

I think it probably speaks to how very controlled the kids were, that for three yeears he was somewhat alone in public and never made a move to get help. It also shows, perhaps, how confident (almost complacent) the parents had become in feeling they had the situation 100% controlled and had no fear of being caught out.


I've seen articles today saying that the oldest child attended school at least through third grade in Texas. So it seems the isolation grew over the years.
 
I sound like a broken record, but I am still interested in the father's employment history. When the story first broke it sounded like he was unemployed. Now it sounds like he must have still been actively employed, at least enough to secure a transfer. Seems like he was really living a double life with all of this at home and a day job.

If he was still employed and left the house to go to work, the mother did have to control, coral, etc. all thirteen children on her own during work hours. Again, this probably explains there up almost all night, sleep during the day schedule.

I hope they foster home placements are excellent. It will be important for them to continue to see each other, etc. but at the same time it will probably be good for them to be able to see outside their circle of abuse too.
 
Keeping your malnourished children shackled to the furniture in their own filth can also give the appearance of guilt. :p I can't believe these people would think they have a snowball's chance in hell regardless of what they're wearing.
True, but I don't mind that they are wearing street clothes. I think that the prosecutors do not want to jeopardize their case in any way.
 
I sound like a broken record, but I am still interested in the father's employment history. When the story first broke it sounded like he was unemployed. Now it sounds like he must have still been actively employed, at least enough to secure a transfer. Seems like he was really living a double life with all of this at home and a day job.

If he was still employed and left the house to go to work, the mother did have to control, coral, etc. all thirteen children on her own during work hours. Again, this probably explains there up almost all night, sleep during the day schedule.

I hope they foster home placements are excellent. It will be important for them to continue to see each other, etc. but at the same time it will probably be good for them to be able to see outside their circle of abuse too.
That's interesting (and i know it was brought up earlier in the thread as well). I don'T think I ever saw anything tht indicated that the father was unemployed. Everythign I saw listed him as employed, by the same one company, and oftne listed the 140k annual salary (usuaully when talking about the bankruptcy filing). Working days and keeping the kids up nights does seem like a strange choice----I suppose it could have been to allow him to be home to help keep control, or for him to "enjoy" poor treatment of the kids as well. But then, when did Dad sleep?
So little about any of this makes any sense to any right thinking person
 
I haven't been following the exact employment details, but do remember stories about how maybe the income wasn't there and bankruptcy, etc...

Since his employment is gov't contract work, he has not been working lately, but secured a new contract positon????
 
I assume the toys are probably a mix of two things. 1) Disney collectable stuff like vinylmations that were never meant for the kids to have because one or both parents were buying the items for themselves, and 2) What @cabanafrau said. Toys that were acquired to taunt the children. I came across a comment somewhere from one of their Texas neighbors who said at one point the Turpins had eight shiny, brand new kids bikes lined up outside their house that never moved, were never played with, and sat outside weathering and rusting for years. My first thought when I heard about the pies was that that wasn't a random choice. One of those poor kids probably mentioned once that pie was his favorite food and then taunting them with pies became a thing. Something similar happened in my house with Christmas stockings. :sad2: Abusive people will turn anything into a weapon. It's all about exerting power and control.

Completely unrelated, but I just have to mention how incredible it is for that 17 year old to have found the courage to break out. We, those of us existing in normal society, can see how abnormal and heinous their situation was and we would know that once someone blew the whistle it would be all over for those parents. But she couldn't have known that. She's lived this crazy isolated existence with no sense of what's normal or what resources might be out there to help them and no guarantees that anyone would believe her if she even managed to successfully escape in the first place. It really is truly remarkable that she did what she did. :worship:

I think she knew what was happening to them wasn’t Normal. That’s why she escaped. This whole story is sick.
 












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