The next country to drop the "bomb" will be?

[Viking]

Can't slide anything by you! No, but the French and British troops that fought in the French and Indian war...they went back home. And the British officer, Amherst, who is credited with the smallpox blankets? He's Old Europe too. The French settled in Louisiana, and I'm sure they just let the Native Americans come and go as they pleased. And the Spanish over in San Diego? I'm guessing everyone that landed on the new continent stayed forever. At least if you took a liking to the slaughterin'.

I think colonialism isn't exactly a bright chapter of European history, but at least in that one we Germans didn't play a role. We only had Zanzibar, which we traded with the British for Helgoland (We still have that, but it's in the North Sea in our coastal waters) and German Southwest Africa, which is now Namibia.
We came into that game very late in the 19th century and then all chips were already traded.

 

[musclecar_72]

So far I can only think of only one country which was desparate or crazy enough to drop one

Just another sore loser!

 

[ChuckB]

I haven't seen you around Chuck! Be carefull with Viking! I think he bites

I just nibble a little

 

[Viking]

just the casinos, a few strip malls, most of the beach areas are still messy and under construction, depending on how you drive, it will take 5 to 8 hours one way .... US Hwy 98 to Pensecola is a nice ride, from Pensecola to Biloxi will take 2 1/2 to 4 hrs depending on traffic, if you like sea food, Felix's in Mobile Al is worth the trip up, it is on the battle ship parkway on the bay, good food and a nice view, they sometimes have a live band playing

Thanks,
doesn't sound that attractive as we don't gamble. Is there a chance to see a carrier in Pensacola? We visited 'The Yorktown' in Charleston two years ago and it would be exciting to see an active carrier close - even though we couldn't get on it.
If I'd drive like I do here it would be more like 2 to 4 hours away, but I guess you cops wouldn't like that
I usually set my cruisecontrol in the USA to limit +5 and that's it. This year we'll have a Mustang Convertible and that makes driving slowly much easier.

 

[Viking]

Oh thats it!! Thats is the closest thing we will ever see to an admission. You all owe me a drink!

Don't get fresh - I admitted much more important things on this thread, you just didn't get them

 

[ChuckB]

Thanks,
doesn't sound that attractive as we don't gamble. Is there a chance to see a carrier in Pensacola? We visited 'The Yorktown' in Charleston two years ago and it would be exciting to see an active carrier close - even though we couldn't get on it.
If I'd drive like I do here it would be more like 2 to 4 hours away, but I guess you cops wouldn't like that
I usually set my cruisecontrol in the USA to limit +5 and that's it. This year we'll have a Mustang Convertible and that makes driving slowly much easier.

, but you might see one, or coast guard cutters, you can tour the USS ALABAMA in Mobile, and Felix's is just down the road from there, I dont think the submarine is there now but they also have tanks and jets there, I wouldnt advise eating at The Captains Table, it is by the battle ship, the food is good but expensive, and if you like to eat, the portions are small, If you go to pensecola, I would recomend the cuban sandwich at Hooters on Santa Rosa Island (Pensecola Beach), it has a really nice view, and the water is nice too , both the resturants have a view of the water, if you like that kind of stuff

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Wow! This thread looks like quite a day in the life of the DIS! Viking, I certainly am impressed with your endurance. As for me, I posted, took the kids to the park, perused around in a bookstore, shopped for some software, saw a movie, washed some dishes left over from lunch. I come back on here and you are STILL hammering away at the US. I am impressed with your endurance.

 

[L107ANGEL]

Don't get fresh - I admitted much more important things on this thread, you just didn't get them

I don't get fresh with many Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Viking]

, but you might see one, or coast guard cutters, you can tour the USS ALABAMA in Mobile, and Felix's is just down the road from there, I dont think the submarine is there now but they also have tanks and jets there, I wouldnt advise eating at The Captains Table, it is by the battle ship, the food is good but expensive, and if you like to eat, the portions are small, If you go to pensecola, I would recomend the cuban sandwich at Hooters on Santa Rosa Island (Pensecola Beach), it has a really nice view, and the water is nice too , both the resturants have a view of the water, if you like that kind of stuff

AFAIK Hooters always has a nice view
Thanks for your input

@Zippa D Doodah,
on the danger of repeating myself: I am/was NOT hammering away at the USA and the more reasonable posters have already realized that. BTW, I also watched a movie while posting (St. Elmo's Fire), saw two box fights -there was an Ukrainian (That 7feet-monster) HAMMERING away at an American, KO in round 3 and I also posted on several other boards during that time (German & English). But I have to admit there's also a limit to my endurance and as I intend to run 10K before breakfast tomorrow I'll call it a day soon

 

[ChuckB]

AFAIK Hooters always has a nice view
Thanks for your input

@Zippa D Doodah,
on the danger of repeating myself: I am/was NOT hammering away at the USA and the more reasonable posters have already realized that. BTW, I also watched a movie while posting (St. Elmo's Fire), saw two box fights -there was an Ukrainian (That 7feet-monster) HAMMERING away at an American, KO in round 3 and I also posted on several other boards during that time (German & English). But I have to admit there's also a limit to my endurance and as I intend to run 10K before breakfast tomorrow I'll call it a day soon

you are most welcome !!! I have been watching a DVD on wildland/brush fires, I have a class to teach Monday night on GPS, if everyone shows up so I need to get my paperwork togather on that, but, as usual, I am posting on here and another board

 

[TheBellhop]

Stop the whining and post something with sense in it!!!

Your intolerance for foreigners criticizing the USA

...but I was attacked for it on the lowest possible level.

The problem I often see with Americans...

and the great irony of the century:

you so full of hate that I can only pity you

I find it funny when you condescend Americans for forgetting their past. I will never forget the killing of the true Native American culture. I am probably more sorry for it than you are, but I don't know you so I can't exactly say that.

 

[N.Bailey]

North Korea scares me, but so does China only because of their capabilities. Terrorists scare me more than both of these countries though.

I just want to say that I believe most Americans know our country has had dark days. Vietnam comes to mind immediately. I don't think most Americans consider WW2 and our dropping of the nukes to be our dark days though. Most of us fully believe many lives were spared by doing so. I understand that Japan (and probably others) don't agree with this assessment, but it's not factual that Japan was going to surrender after Hiroshima and if anyone feels it is, I'm more than willing to read any proof you might offer to the contrary.

My husband was also born in Germany and his grandfather who served under Hitler just died almost 2 years ago. I'm certainly not one to jump on the bandwagon that the everyday soldier in the German army were Hitler's henchmen who favored Genocide either. In fact, I'll contend that most weren't really aware of what was going on, but for those that did know something, they knew they risked their own lives by not following orders.

 

[Papa Deuce]

And the next country to drop the bomb will be?

 

[Jabber_Jaws]

There's a lot of debate about why exactly the second atomic bomb was dropped. The U.S. was gearing up for a large land battle on Japanese soil that would have cost the lives of thousands of U.S. troops; after the first bomb the U.S. requested unconditional Japanese surrender and was denied; if the Russians had helped the U.S. in the land battle, they may have demanded control over part of Japan (then half of Japan would be speakin' Russian by now). Anyway, using the nuclear bombs undoubtedly cost Japanese lives and spared Americans. Since we didn't start the war, I see it as justified and unfortunate. I hope it never happens again.

As for the Indians, many died from disease, and yeah, we did take over their land. As for slaves, much of Europe had slaves and serfs (which were de facto slaves) for hundreds of years.

To be honest, most Americans don't even compare the negative events of our past on the same level as the atrocities of Germany during WWII and the millions that were killed because of the Kaiser's power hungry aggression during WWI. We don't even see it as a close comparison, and I'm German by heritage (all pre-20th century, though).

You know I don’t normally agree with Mom, but that was a very nice post.

 

[L107ANGEL]

And the next country to drop the bomb will be?

I said if I was off topic to tell me!!!

 

[momof2inPA]

You know I don’t normally agree with Mom, but that was a very nice post.

Why, thank-you.

 

[catherine]

This has been a interesting thread and I'm glad the moderators haven't locked it down. I actually found the replies about America and it's past by Viking to be quite ironic, considering that Germany has the sleaziest record of human rights in the past 100 years.

The cold hard facts are that Germany did start 2 World Wars to conquer the world. It cost untold millions of lives, dollars, human suffering, and it required the USA to end both of them. You can argue this to the cows come home but the cold facts of history can't be ignored. Two World Wars were started by just one country (Germany) in the span of 20 years between each other. Enough said!


Does the USA have it's share of bad history? Of course we do but I'm proud of my country and how it deals with these issues and we do try and make things right. Look at the recent strides made by Black Americans from just 30 years ago. Within 10 years I expect a Black American to be President and if qualified they have my vote. Our bad moments in history don't even come close to what Germany has done in the past century. 10 million people perished in death camps in the time span of a decade and that figure doesn't even include the lives destroyed by Germany's war machine. I don't think Germany has the right to point fingers at other nations for about another 100 years or so.


Hate my country Viking for what ever reason you may have, but thanks to America you have the right to do so. I don't think the Third Reich or the Soviet Union would have allowed you the freedom to bash it's leaders or discuss any negative aspects of it's history. As for the comment about everyday Germans not knowing about the final solution during the war, Garbage. You can't brutally round up millions of a certain race, take away their posessions, put them on a crowded box car with no food or water, and think they are going to a perfect Utopia or dreamland. People may be dumb but few are that stupid and I'll be willing to bet that many knew those poor people were never comming back. That poor excuse of "we didn't know what was going on" didn't work then and doesn't work now.

Flame away all you want Viking, but my country with it's warts and all is still the greatest Free nation to ever grace the Earth. I shudder to think what would have happened to the world if the USA hadn't been around when Hitler began his blood thirsty quest of world domination.

I have just read throught this entire thread! I just want to point one thing out. The USA was NOT involved when "Hitler began his blood thirsty quest of world domination" In fact the USA didn't want to be involved. Roosevelt persuaded Congress to allow the US to sell weapons to Britain and France, but that was as far as it went. It was only in 1941 when the Germans started to attack British shipping to the US did the US declare a state of national emergency, and then it took the attack on Pearl Harbour to end US isolation. The US finally allied with Britain and Russia! So for several years the US knew what was happening with Germany, Hitler and the Third Reich and did absolutely nothing!

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

I have just read throught this entire thread! I just want to point one thing out. The USA was NOT involved when "Hitler began his blood thirsty quest of world domination" In fact the USA didn't want to be involved. Roosevelt persuaded Congress to allow the US to sell weapons to Britain and France, but that was as far as it went. It was only in 1941 when the Germans started to attack British shipping to the US did the US declare a state of national emergency, and then it took the attack on Pearl Harbour to end US isolation. The US finally allied with Britain and Russia! So for several years the US knew what was happening with Germany, Hitler and the Third Reich and did absolutely nothing!

Of course it could also be pointed out that it's not easy to jump into other people's battles, and we didn't have the instant news like we have now. A great leader like FDR was guiding this country towards entry into WWII from the day Hitler invaded Poland. Two years later we were fully in.

There were plenty of trained American pilots who fought alongside the RAF in the battle for air supremacy over Britain. This happened before Pearl Harbor.

But some people would like to call that doing absolutely nothing.

 

[catherine]

Of course it could also be pointed out that it's not easy to jump into other people's battles, and we didn't have the instant news like we have now. A great leader like FDR was guiding this country towards entry into WWII from the day Hitler invaded Poland. Two years later we were fully in.

There were plenty of trained American pilots who fought alongside the RAF in the battle for air supremacy over Britain. This happened before Pearl Harbor.

But some people would like to call that doing absolutely nothing.

Not according to my history classes!

Yes, American pilots did come over to Britain to fight, having gone gone over the Canadian border to enlist. However the US government was trying to project a neutral status, in point of fact they passed the Neutrality Act, which made going to Canada to enlist a criminal offence. Yound men still went over to Canada to, but it was an underground movement. However to enforce the Act, the American Governement placed CIA men in the Canadian railway stations near to the US/Canadian border to watch for these young men. When these young men were caught they were given the option of returning to the US voluntarily or be arrested!

 

[disneyfan67]

Not according to my history classes!

Yes, American pilots did come over to Britain to fight, having gone gone over the Canadian border to enlist. However the US government was trying to project a neutral status, in point of fact they passed the Neutrality Act, which made going to Canada to enlist a criminal offence. Yound men still went over to Canada to, but it was an underground movement. However to enforce the Act, the American Governement placed CIA men in the Canadian railway stations near to the US/Canadian border to watch for these young men. When these young men were caught they were given the option of returning to the US voluntarily or be arrested!

Just to let you know Catherine, there was no CIA until after WW2 had ended and the only thing close to it was called the OSA. The CIA was put together after WW2 and was considered a lot tougher. The OSA didn't have the mindset of what the CIA was to become, a hard core intel agency.

I have just read throught this entire thread! I just want to point one thing out. The USA was NOT involved when "Hitler began his blood thirsty quest of world domination" In fact the USA didn't want to be involved. Roosevelt persuaded Congress to allow the US to sell weapons to Britain and France, but that was as far as it went. It was only in 1941 when the Germans started to attack British shipping to the US did the US declare a state of national emergency, and then it took the attack on Pearl Harbour to end US isolation. The US finally allied with Britain and Russia! So for several years the US knew what was happening with Germany, Hitler and the Third Reich and did absolutely nothing!

As for your previous post above, I was refering to what would have happened if the USA wasn't around. If America hadn't been capable or strong enough, then Hitler would have been able to do as he pleased.

Of course America wanted nothing to do with the War in Europe. The war to end all wars which was what WW1 was called, BTW, was still fresh in America's mind and we were still dealing with the affects of the Great Depression. Most Americans wanted nothing to do with what they thought was Europe's problem and the feeling is simular to what some American's feel about the Middle East today. In fact very simular in some ways. You can't just put on blinders and forget about dangers that other countries are facing from terrorism. It's too easy to say it's their problem and let them deal with it.

Of course FDR knew we had to get involved but as I said before, Americans just didn't want to grasp how dire the sitution was. We were still in the thick of the Depression and oddly enough, it took WW2 to get us out of it. Just about every clear thinking person knows this fact. That reguardless of what some other countries think about America, when it comes time to do the heavy lifting, America is there for it's Allies. I always hear about the evil things America has done in it's past from the blame America crowd, but few of these types can deny that the world is better off with America as a super power, than say if Hitler or the cold war Soviet Union was in charge.