The Marvels

[Evinrude21]

Wish might be it but I also think a majority of people will just wait for it to be on Disney+. Disney kind of trained their audiences to do that now, especially with the animated films.

 

[Evinrude21]

I think this is something everyone can agree on.

My money is on Deadpool 3.

maybe Avatar 3 4 5 6 and 7

 

[BrianL]

We have been through this and I will never convince you and you will never convince me.

- Luke was hopes and dreams and optimism to a fault
- Luke would have never have become a miserable hermit that abandoned his friends.
- Luke would not have thrown his lightsaber off a cliff
- Luke would have never considered killing his beloved nephew even if just for a moment
- Luke should have gotten a proper send off with respect, not fading away alone from “using the force to much”

- Stuff happens. Would you rather he just freeze in time as a perfect paragon forever.
- Obi-Wan? Yoda? It's Jedi 101 right there. He did it FOR his friends.
- That's overblown. It wasn't damaged or lost - he did it to make a point.
- Certainly considering something bad for a moment doesn't tarnish one's reputation?
- Well, you know, he was the hero and did his duty. He was only alone in a physical sense. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

 

[Kestryl]

- Stuff happens. Would you rather he just freeze in time as a perfect paragon forever.
- Obi-Wan? Yoda? It's Jedi 101 right there. He did it FOR his friends.
- That's overblown. It wasn't damaged or lost - he did it to make a point.
- Certainly considering something bad for a moment doesn't tarnish one's reputation?
- Well, you know, he was the hero and did his duty. He was only alone in a physical sense. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

Also it wasn't his lightsaber he tossed, it was Anakin's.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I think this is something everyone can agree on.

My money is on Deadpool 3. ( I don't think there is much else on the pipeline)

Is it still keeping the R rating? I'd rather not have it be toned down to appeal to younger audiences. I remember when Deadpool 2 got that PG-13 version that was mediocre and not as good as the R version.

 

[BrianL]

Is it still keeping the R rating? I'd rather not have it be toned down to appeal to younger audiences. I remember when Deadpool 2 got that PG-13 version that was mediocre and not as good as the R version.

I think it is, however I would caution that it will be a mistake to hinge so much of the future of the MCU on an movie that is rated R. It's not that there isn't room for such fare, but ht evast majority of the rest of it is not, so if they make it "must watch" viewing they will only be digging that hole deeper.

 

[tony67]

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Is it still keeping the R rating? I'd rather not have it be toned down to appeal to younger audiences. I remember when Deadpool 2 got that PG-13 version that was mediocre and not as good as the R version.

Pretty sure it is - but there has been grumbling about making too much fun of Disney execs and having to tone that down as well as some other things

I still want to see that PG-13 version - even ifs its bad - but its not streaming from what I see

I think it is, however I would caution that it will be a mistake to hinge so much of the future of the MCU on an movie that is rated R. It's not that there isn't room for such fare, but ht evast majority of the rest of it is not, so if they make it "must watch" viewing they will only be digging that hole deeper.

Yeah - Not sure Id hinge the future on it of MCU on it - I just think it will be a much needed win for Disney

maybe Avatar 3 4 5 6 and 7

Christmas 2025 I think - so pretty far away.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I think it is, however I would caution that it will be a mistake to hinge so much of the future of the MCU on an movie that is rated R. It's not that there isn't room for such fare, but ht evast majority of the rest of it is not, so if they make it "must watch" viewing they will only be digging that hole deeper.

I get what you're saying though I feel like the reception to Disney making Deadpool 3 PG-13 would be uh, no bueno.

It's not like people under 18 wouldn't see it. When I saw the first Deadpool, my screening was full of literal toddlers LOL

 

[HokieRaven5]

I get what you're saying though I feel like the reception to Disney making Deadpool 3 PG-13 would be uh, no bueno.

It's not like people under 18 wouldn't see it. When I saw the first Deadpool, my screening was full of literal toddlers LOL

Yep, Deadpool, and even Blade should never really be less than an R Rating. Both are currently projected to remain that way.

 

[Smugpugmug]

Yep, Deadpool, and even Blade should never really be less than an R Rating. Both are currently projected to remain that way.

I forgot that Blade was coming out soon too. Agreed, that shouldn't be anything other than R.

 

[BrianL]

I get what you're saying though I feel like the reception to Disney making Deadpool 3 PG-13 would be uh, no bueno.

It's not like people under 18 wouldn't see it. When I saw the first Deadpool, my screening was full of literal toddlers LOL

Well, I'm not arguing that Deadpool 3 should be PG-13, ratehr that they should NOT use the movie as a platform to introduce the next major elements of the MCU. That should be kept more mainstream.

Now, I might have argued that Deadpool never should have been aRated R anyway - teh comic book certainly wasn't - until the movie (or more aptly that video game). Originally, the character was in line with other mainstream superhero comics.

 

[Evinrude21]

PG-13 gets more eyes on it. Seems like almost everything is PG-13 nowadays

I do know the original Venom was going to be rated R but and I think Tom Hardy said as much they took all the good stuff out of it that would've made it R

 

[Evinrude21]

Iman Vellani speaks out on #TheMarvels box office:

"I don't want to focus on something that's not even in my control, because what's the point? That's for Bob Iger."

"I'm happy with the finished product, and the people that I care about enjoyed the film. It's genuinely a good time watching this movie, and that's all we can ask for with these films."

(via: yahoo.com/entertainment/…)



The girls that get it, get it

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I think that is a respectable approach. Much better than the typical blame the fan’s approach that we have seen in recent years.

 

[tony67]

I think that is a respectable approach. Much better than the typical blame the fan’s approach that we have seen in recent years.

There is a fair amount of blaming the fans as well - but from what I have seen she has been reasonable.
I've also heard she was the best thing in the film.

Blaming the fans does not help. Alienating fans does not help. Calling the fandom toxic does not help.
Yeah you want to grow the fandom - not try to replace it with a new one.

Is it the fandoms fault that Gen-Z did not show up? They did show up for Five Night at Freddie's - and that was day and date on Peacock. (I know the five night example is over used)

Fandoms have always argued about things - its just gets promoted more due to the internet and you tube and the simplicity to get involved.
In the olden days you had to dial into a bulletin board at 300 baud (0.3kb/sec - really really slow) or use usenet - so the average person had no idea about this stuff. Before that I think it was magazines!!!!

Anyway - I don't think the average normie has any idea about these arguments today - its a small group arguing back and forth over minutia.

I've discussed some of these things in the past with some of my employees who are fans or various IPs and they don't even know about this stuff and months later when it comes out they are all like - "I thought you were nuts but yeah they did that."

This thread keeps popping up in my recent threads list so I keep checking back in or "I could be arguing in my spare time."

 

[Kestryl]

Iman Vellani speaks out on #TheMarvels box office:

"I don't want to focus on something that's not even in my control, because what's the point? That's for Bob Iger."

"I'm happy with the finished product, and the people that I care about enjoyed the film. It's genuinely a good time watching this movie, and that's all we can ask for with these films."

(via: yahoo.com/entertainment/…)



The girls that get it, get it

I hope she gets a season 2. Ms. Marvel is my favorite MCU series. (Yes, more than Loki, more than WandaVision.) Its very down-to-earth, and her family dynamics are so fun.

 

[HokieRaven5]

Is it the fandoms fault that Gen-Z did not show up? They did show up for Five Night at Freddie's - and that was day and date on Peacock. (I know the five night example is over used)

For the Five Nights at Freddy’s streaming example there is that slight difference of 28M subscribers to Peacock vs the 110M+ subscribers to D+ Core (US/Canada/Europe)

If you have a Peacock’s worth of Disney+ subs show up to theaters that’s a minimum of $280M in box office assuming $10 tickets average across those countries.

 

[tony67]

For the Five Nights at Freddy’s streaming example there is that slight difference of 28M subscribers to Peacock vs the 110M+ subscribers to D+ Core (US/Canada/Europe)

If you have a Peacock’s worth of Disney+ subs show up to theaters that’s a minimum of $280M in box office assuming $10 tickets average across those countries.

Yeah - Like I said the example is overused and it can easily be picked apart.
Peacock is not D+ I agree. I only have Peacock (and Paramount+) because its free to me. To be honest same for D+, but I like Hulu and would pay for that if I had to.

I don't think a fan is going to wait for it to be on D+ for the most part, especially if the word of mouth from friends is good and could be several months till its on D+. For example Indiana Jones is still a month away - that does seem longer than most - and in this day and age it feels long. I'm guessing they wanted people to buy it on Amazon etc.. I was expecting it in September\October.

Yes this contradicts what I said previously - somewhat - but I'm the exception not the rule IMO and I could have left it out, but yeah Ill wait for Indy to go on streaming - I doubt its worth paying for and mostly because I don't want to go to the theater and deal with people talking and on their phones etc... unless its an audience participation film.

 

[HokieRaven5]

Yeah - Like I said the example is overused and it can easily be picked apart.
Peacock is not D+ I agree. I only have Peacock (and Paramount+) because its free to me. To be honest same for D+, but I like Hulu and would pay for that if I had to.

I don't think a fan is going to wait for it to be on D+ for the most part, especially if the word of mouth from friends is good and could be several months till its on D+. For example Indiana Jones is still a month away - that does seem longer than most - and in this day and age it feels long. I'm guessing they wanted people to buy it on Amazon etc.. I was expecting it in September\October.

Yes this contradicts what I said previously - somewhat - but I'm the exception not the rule IMO and I could have left it out, but yeah Ill wait for Indy to go on streaming - I doubt its worth paying for and mostly because I don't want to go to the theater and deal with people talking and on their phones etc... unless its an audience participation film.

Yeah, D+ has done some changing to the mindset of folks and movie going. For the Marvels I know a fair amount of MCU fans who just decided to read up on the pre-credits and mid-credits scenes and just move on.

I wasn’t planning on seeing it and was gonna wait till D+ but my kids expressed an interest so we went. It’s just simple and fun, which doesn’t always create that high level of buzz.

Disney going forward will probably try to get their movies in the $150-175M range and basically will have the production costs covered by the revenue shared with D+ subscriptions. Then whatever they get at the Box Office is just to cover P&A and any profits.

 

[tony67]

Yeah, D+ has done some changing to the mindset of folks and movie going. For the Marvels I know a fair amount of MCU fans who just decided to read up on the pre-credits and mid-credits scenes and just move on.

I wasn’t planning on seeing it and was gonna wait till D+ but my kids expressed an interest so we went. It’s just simple and fun, which doesn’t always create that high level of buzz.

Disney going forward will probably try to get their movies in the $150-175M range and basically will have the production costs covered by the revenue shared with D+ subscriptions. Then whatever they get at the Box Office is just to cover P&A and any profits.

Yeah was going to say they really need to address the budgets - but I cut it out as the post was getting too long.

Guardians 3 had a respectable Box office, but was it profitable after the theaters got their cut and the marketing budget etc... and was it worth the risk of $250m+ to make what could be a small profit. IDK Not sure the real numbers are all that easy to determine with magical Hollywood accounting.