The man Cheney shots has had a heart attack

[Chicago526]

I can't stand the guy (Chenney) and even I'm sure that he feels bad about the whole thing. The article I read said that the local fish and wildlife service looked in to this, and it seems like a straight forward accident. They were ticketed for not buying a $7 wetland wildlife refuge sticker that's required to hunt (or something like that). They said it's new and a lot of hunters in that area don't know about it yet. Cheney has already paid the $7.

 

[palmtreegirl]

If it's an accident, it's an accident. People don't get charged for accidents.

Exactly! When people turn stuff like this into political insults and such it just reeks of desperation. I'm a Democrat, btw. And as far as medical bills I'm sure he has his own medical insurance anyway.

I hope he makes a speedy and full recovery.

 

[becker1123]

I read on MSN this morning that the guy who was shot was partially at fault because he didn't announce he was returning to the group. I guess he had been behind retrieving a bird and didn't announce that he was back up with the rest of the group and so Cheney didn't know he was there. It was an accident ... they happen ... all the time, unfortunately. The report also said that Cheney was "worried" about the man, who is also his friend. I feel terrible for both parties.

 

[horseshowmom]

Hunting accidents happen ALL the time. He is human and made an error (as many report the man who was shot made an error as well.) Deer hunters are shot every year in PA and often times no one is charged (I'm sure it is the same in other states as well.) No charges being filed has nothing to do with him being the VP.

My DH and I were watching the news last night, and there was a story showing reporters who were almost rabid wanting to know why they weren't notified sooner. My DH commented that they were going overboard on this just because Cheney's the VP. If it had been anybody else, it wouldn't have gotten this much attention. It was an unfortunate hunting accident.

 

[brerrabbit]

It's a sad incident and I am sure that Cheney is very sorry for what happened. Whether you agree with his politics or not I can't imagine that he is not sorry and concerned about the incident. Cheney was lacking an Upland Game stamp on his hunting license and yes this is a new regulation in Texas. It's hard to keep up with all the new regulations they put out each year. We are up to something loke eight different stamps you need in Texas to hunt or fish for certain species. That is addition to the hunting and fishing license and the Federal Migratory Bird stamp you need for ducks and geese. Finally, as I said on another thread it was not a bullet but a shotgun shell that the man was shot with. It was 71/2 shot which means that there were about 350 to 375 small pellets in the shell that spread out as they leave the shotgun barrel. Additionallt Cheney was using a 28 gauge shotgun which is smaller than the standard 12 gauge. The injury however can sometimes be worse with shotgun pellets becasue they are so small and you have to remove numerous ones as opposed to a single bullet. The shotgun pellets have a tendency to move around in the body and can cause other problems for the person who was shot.

 

[RadioNate]

Here's what I'm wondering...
The Whitehouse keeps insisting that Cheney is healthy and that his heart is fine so then why is he traveling with a team of 'whitehouse doctors' and why is there an EMT crew on standby where ever he goes?

Is that common pratice? Do they do this for GWB, did they for Clinton?

Here in Texas we are hearing that the guy he shot got immediate medical attention from the EMS team that shadow's Cheney. I was under the impression that these aren't Secret Service trained in first aid but a unit from the local EMS that is on call in case their services are needed.

The article above references whitehouse doctors who treated the man on scene.

 

[poohandwendy]

Sorry to hear the mans condition worsened. I am sure Cheney is horribly upset over this, I can't imagine having an accident involving me being the cause of one of my friends being harmed.

It's a shame that some people turn it into a partisan politics issue. The incident was a horrible accident. I hope the friend recovers quickly.

 

[poohandwendy]

Here's what I'm wondering...
The Whitehouse keeps insisting that Cheney is healthy and that his heart is fine so then why is he traveling with a team of 'whitehouse doctors' and why is there an EMT crew on standby where ever he goes?

Is that common pratice? Do they do this for GWB, did they for Clinton?

Here in Texas we are hearing that the guy he shot got immediate medical attention from the EMS team that shadow's Cheney. I was under the impression that these aren't Secret Service trained in first aid but a unit from the local EMS that is on call in case their services are needed.

The article above references whitehouse doctors who treated the man on scene.

I dunno, maybe it is SOP to have EMTs there whenever they are hunting (when weapons are involved)?

 

[tekmom]

My DH and I were watching the news last night, and there was a story showing reporters who were almost rabid wanting to know why they weren't notified sooner. My DH commented that they were going overboard on this just because Cheney's the VP. If it had been anybody else, it wouldn't have gotten this much attention. It was an unfortunate hunting accident.

I would have to agree, if it weren't for the fact that Dick Cheney is the sitting Vice President of the United States. He is not a private citizen and the public has every right to know as soon as possible.

 

[poohandwendy]

He is not a private citizen and the public has every right to know as soon as possible.

oh please. What possible difference does it make when the public finds out? I hardly think that is an issue at all, except for the rabid media whose bread and butter is 24 hour overkill news coverage.

 

[horseshowmom]

I would have to agree, if it weren't for the fact that Dick Cheney is the sitting Vice President of the United States. He is not a private citizen and the public has every right to know as soon as possible.

They found out plenty quick enough as far as I'm concerned (and the coverage has certainly been extensive since then). It's not like they had to wait an extended period of time.

 

[Nancy]

I dunno, maybe it is SOP to have EMTs there whenever they are hunting (when weapons are involved)?

I never thought of that, but it does make sense. What if it was Cheney who was accidently shot? (and I don't want to see any happy dances for that statement please, as tempting as that will be for some.)

I just assumed it was because he has had medical problems with his heart before.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

Charged or not I'd at least want him to pay my medical bills.

I'm pretty certain this guy is worth about 3 zillion dollars. I doubt that paying the medical bills is top on anybody's list of concerns.

Last I heard Cheney had visited the hospital to speak with the man who was shot and I have to think that he apoligized then. Who wouldn't feel sorry after something like this? I'm personally not a huge Dick Cheney fan, but I have little doubt that he is very sorry and expressed that emotion.

I'm really sorry to hear about the heart attack. I hope that he pulls through this because it is quite a tragedy.

 

[bsnyder]

I think the elite national media is just in a snit because they got scooped by a local paper in Austin on the story.

As for Cheney and the EMT unit, I think it's on standby wherever he goes. I'm sure it's in an abundance of caution, due to his history of heart problems. The same would not be true of Presidents Bush or Clinton.

 

[Disney Deb]

They found out plenty quick enough as far as I'm concerned (and the coverage has certainly been extensive since then). It's not like they had to wait an extended period of time.

This is not true. This incident happened on Saturday, and the media didn't know until sometime on Sunday. Why? Suspiciously, I wonder if alcohol could have been involved? How long does it take for alcohol to exit the body?

 

[chris1gill]

Finally, as I said on another thread it was not a bullet but a shotgun shell that the man was shot with. It was 71/2 shot which means that there were about 350 to 375 small pellets in the shell that spread out as they leave the shotgun barrel. Additionallt Cheney was using a 28 gauge shotgun which is smaller than the standard 12 gauge. The injury however can sometimes be worse with shotgun pellets becasue they are so small and you have to remove numerous ones as opposed to a single bullet. The shotgun pellets have a tendency to move around in the body and can cause other problems for the person who was shot.

Oh, this sounds much worse than what I'd expected?? So instead of one bullet, the man has perhaps hundreds of small pellets embedded somewhere? That sounds really awful...

 

[horseshowmom]

This is not true. This incident happened on Saturday, and the media didn't know until sometime on Sunday.

That's only 24 hours. I don't always find out that quickly that extended family members have given birth.

If this had been something that pertained to national security or something of that nature, it would be different to me, but a hunting accident doesn't fall under the same parameters. JMHO

 

[sgtdisney]

Charged or not I'd at least want him to pay my medical bills.

The guy he accidentally shot is a multi-millionaire. I doubt the family is concerned with paying the hospital bills at this moment.

Incidentally it was reported that Cheney was at the hospital right after it happened and was apologizing profusely to the family.

This thread really takes partisanship to a new low.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

This is not true. This incident happened on Saturday, and the media didn't know until sometime on Sunday. Why? Suspiciously, I wonder if alcohol could have been involved? How long does it take for alcohol to exit the body?

You're not the first person that I've heard that theory from. I've also seen it played out on "Cops" a million times, "Drunk driver hits something/someone, flees home, takes off shirt, turns on TV, and reports car stolen the next day". And doesn't Cheney have a couple DWI convictions in his past? Hmmmm....the plot thickens...

And as for those of you self righteously wringing your hands with how this thread has taken partisanship to a new low? Well you obviously haven't been paying very good attention over the past say...forever years...

 

[CapeCodTenor]

This is not true. This incident happened on Saturday, and the media didn't know until sometime on Sunday. Why? Suspiciously, I wonder if alcohol could have been involved? How long does it take for alcohol to exit the body?

Here's a thought on why it took so long that I haven't heard yet; how about waiting to tell the media so the family of the person who was shot would have enough time to be notified and get to the hospital. You know, that whole family issue?