THE LIBERAL THREAD #3- No Debate Please

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Comfortable lead in the polls!

Obama - 49%
McCain - 41%

Seems that McCain's choice of running mate has harmed his campaign.

~ Gallup



Rich::
 
Comfortable lead in the polls!

Obama - 49%
McCain - 41%

Seems that McCain's choice of running mate has harmed his campaign.

~ Gallup



Rich::
Um, no. His choice of running mate won't make an effect on the polls for at least one or two days. Check after Sunday.
 
Um, no. His choice of running mate won't make an effect on the polls for at least one or two days. Check after Sunday.

Check. I wasn't sure how quickly the decision would filter into the polls.



Rich::
 
Doing great! I think my cable is finally fixed (took them about 3 months to fix it), loving the VP choice of McCain, and tonight I get to have dinner with my son at college. Thats a good day.
What cable co? I had comcast stateside, and I ditched them the second a competitor sprung up. I am loving McCain's VP choice as well :)

I'm likely staying in tonight, as I got an email from the PR elections commission. They need help translating the ballots to English after 2 anglo residents sued. Traditionally they have english signage in the polls themselves explaining how to respond, but they sued for bilingual ballots.

I did not know that PR was 14% anglophone until today though (84% bilingual to some degree, 14% english only, 2% Spanish only). That is a good statistic to know next time I get into an argument regarding Puerto Ricans who don't speak English.
 

Comfortable lead in the polls!

Obama - 49%
McCain - 41%

Seems that McCain's choice of running mate has harmed his campaign.

~ Gallup



Rich::

Well, I don't think that poll covers today, but it's a nice bump from the Dem Convention. We'll see what kind of bump comes out of the convention next week.

I think the Palin decision is probably a wash. It'll be a plus to some Republicans, a minus to others, but the big benefit is it takes Obama's experience off the table.
 
This piece from Politico nails it when it comes to McCain and his VP choice:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html

Funny I was just going to post this here. I figure we liberals\democrats can talk about Palin here without "conservative" or "republican" interuption..... I've read a lot of posts and it seems that no one from that side will admit to the inexperience. What I find odd is that as a group - they seem to all "love" her - when probably most had just heard of her yesterday??????

Copying and Pasting it here for those who don't follow links:

The selection of a running mate is among the most consequential, most defining decisions a presidential nominee can make. John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decison-making — and some of it is downright breathtaking.

We knew McCain is a politician who relishes improvisation, and likes to go with his gut. But it is remarkable that someone who has repeatedly emphasized experience in this campaign named an inexperienced governor he barely knew to be his No. 2. Whatever you think of the pick, here are six things it tells us about McCain:

1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.

McCain’s pick shows he is not pretending. Politicians, even “mavericks” like McCain, play it safe when they think they are winning — or see an easy path to winning. They roll the dice only when they know that the risks of conventionality are greater than the risks of boldness.

The Republican brand is a mess. McCain is reasonably concluding that it won’t work to replicate George W. Bush and Karl Rove’s electoral formula, based around national security and a big advantage among Y chromosomes, from 2004.

“She’s a fresh new face in a party that’s dying for one — the antidote to boring white men,” a campaign official said.

Palin, the logic goes, will prompt voters to give him a second look — especially women who have watched Democrats reject Hillary Rodham Clinton for Barack Obama.

The risks of a backlash from choosing someone so unknown and so untested are obvious. In one swift stroke, McCain demolished what had been one of his main arguments against Obama.

“I think we’re going to have to examine our tag line, ‘dangerously inexperienced,’” a top McCain official said wryly.

2. He’s willing to gamble — bigtime. Let’s face it: This is not the pick of a self-confident candidate. It is the political equivalent of a trick play or, as some Democrats called it, a Hail Mary pass in football. McCain talks incessantly about experience, and then goes and selects a woman he hardly knows, who hardly knows foreign policy and who can hardly be seen as instantly ready for the presidency.

He is smart enough to know it could work, at least politically. Many Republicans see this pick as a brilliant stroke because it will be difficult for Democrats to run hard against a woman in the wake of the Hillary Clinton drama. Will this push those disgruntled Hillary voters McCain’s way? Perhaps. But this is hardly aimed at them: It is directed at the huge bloc of independent women — especially those who do not see abortion as a make-or-break issue — who could decide this election.

McCain has a history of taking dares. Palin represents his biggest one yet.

3. He’s worried about the political implications of his age. Like a driver overcorrecting out of a swerve, he chooses someone who is two years younger than the youthful Obama, and 28 years younger than he is. (He turned 72 Friday.) The father-daughter comparison was inevitable when they appeared next to each other.

4. He’s not worried about the actuarial implications of his age. He thinks he’s in fine fettle, and Palin wouldn’t be performing the only constitutional duty of a vice president, which is standing by in case a president dies or becomes incapacitated. If he was really concerned about an inexperienced person sitting in the Oval Office we would be writing about vice presidential nominee Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge or Condoleezza Rice.

There is no plausible way that McCain could say that he picked Palin, who was only elected governor in 2006 and whose most extended public service was as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 8,471), because she was ready to be president on Day One.

Nor can McCain argue that he was looking for someone he could trust as a close adviser. Most people know the staff at the local Starbucks better than McCain knows Palin. They met for the first time last February at a National Governors Association meeting in Washington. Then, they spoke again — by phone — on Sunday while she was at the Alaska state fair and he was at home in Arizona.

McCain has made a mockery out of his campaign's longtime contention that Barack Obama is too dangerously inexperienced to be commander in chief. Now, the Democratic ticket boasts 40 years of national experience (four years for Obama and 36 years for Joseph Biden of Delaware), while the Republican ticket has 26 (McCain’s four yeasr in the House and 22 in the Senate.)

The McCain campaign has made a calculation that most voters don’t really care about the national experience or credentials of a vice president, and that Palin’s ebullient personality and reputation as a refomer who took on cesspool politics in Alaska matters more.

5. He’s worried about his conservative base. If he had room to maneuver, there were lots of people McCain could have selected who would have represented a break from Washington politics as usual. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman comes to mind (and it certainly came to McCain’s throughout the process). He had no such room. GOP stalwarts were furious over trial balloons about the possibility of choosing a supporter of abortion rights, including the possibility that he would reach out to his friend.

Palin is an ardent opponent of abortion who was previously scheduled to keynote the Republican National Coalition for Life's "Life of the Party" event in the Twin Cities this week.

“She’s really a perfect selection,” said Darla St. Martin, the Co-Director of the National Right to Life Committee. It is no secret McCain wanted to shake things up in this race — and he realized he was limited to a shake-up conservatives could stomach.

6. At the end of the day, McCain is still McCain. People may find him a refreshing maverick, or an erratic egotist. In either event, he marches to his own beat.

On the upside, his team did manage to play to the media’s love of drama, fanning speculation about his possible choices and maximizing coverage of the decision.

On the potential downside, the drama was evidently entirely genuine. The fact that McCain only spoke with Palin about the vice presidency for the first time on Sunday, and that he was seriously considering Lieberman until days ago, suggests just how hectic and improvisational his process was.

In the end, this selection gives him a chance to reclaim the mantle of a different kind of politician intent on changing Washington. He once had a legitimate claim to this: after all, he took on his own party over campaign finance reform and immigration. He jeopardized this claim in recent months by embracing ideas he once opposed (Bush tax cuts) and ideas that appeared politically motivated (gas tax holiday).

Spontaneity, with a touch of impulsiveness, is one of the traits that attract some of McCain’s admirers. Whether it’s a good calling card for a potential president will depend on the reaction in coming days to what looks for the moment like the most daring vice presidential selection in generations.
 
First off, sorry I have to interrupt this thread, but I feel I need to say a few things here. I'm posting the same thing on the Conservative thread because I feel I owe it to them over there too. I also don't mean them as a negative either.;)

I want to start off by apologizing to everyone here who may have been offended over the years with some of my postings on various subjects. I know over the past 4 years that I have been here, that a lot of topics have been covered repeatedly and most of them have gotten pretty heated. I know that there has been times when my behavior has been over the top and has offended many and for this I am truly sorry for my actions. There's things that I have said that I'm not particularly proud of and that isn't who I am or want to be remembered for. I feel my comments on religion have especially been over the top and I'm sure I have hurt/offended many and for that I am sorry too.

I feel that the Iraq war and a lot of the decisions made concerning it, have divided this country and us as Americans. I apologize for some of my behavior on those threads as well. No more will I allow my time to be spent debating the matter, nor will I say much about GWB or his policies, because IMO, that ship has sailed and isn't comming back. For me, all it does is just further divide people and I feel that me (Eddie) continually posting on a community message board isn't healthy or productive for really anyone. I feel the same way when talking about politics in general lately and recent political threads have gotten too much for me to handle. The CB is a pretty tense place right now and we are still 8 weeks away from the election. I can't imagine though hurt feelings and anger are just going away after the election. I think at some point we as Americans have to find a way to treat each other a little nicer when it comes to our religious and political beliefs. That's just my opinion though.


This isn't a YAGE or an attempt to gain your sympathy, but a opportunity to leave this place a better person. I'm not leaving the DIS forever, but just a much needed break from all the political craziness and it might be a while. I just need to take better care of myself and focus on me and my family. So I wanted to make it right with everyone I have crossed paths with over the years and I do mean everyone. I have learned a lot from this board and all the unique people who have been part of it. It has been educational and eye opening at times to see all the different viewpoints. It has changed me in ways that all of you might not realise and for that, I am eternally grateful. Thank you for being part of my online family for these past 4 years.

So be good to each other and may all of you and your families stay healthy and prosperous. Good luck and God bless.:wave:
 
First off, sorry I have to interrupt this thread, but I feel I need to say a few things here. I'm posting the same thing on the Conservative thread because I feel I owe it to them over there too. I also don't mean them as a negative either.;)

I want to start off by apologizing to everyone here who may have been offended over the years with some of my postings on various subjects. I know over the past 4 years that I have been here, that a lot of topics have been covered repeatedly and most of them have gotten pretty heated. I know that there has been times when my behavior has been over the top and has offended many and for this I am truly sorry for my actions. There's things that I have said that I'm not particularly proud of and that isn't who I am or want to be remembered for. I feel my comments on religion have especially been over the top and I'm sure I have hurt/offended many and for that I am sorry too.

I feel that the Iraq war and a lot of the decisions made concerning it, have divided this country and us as Americans. I apologize for some of my behavior on those threads as well. No more will I allow my time to be spent debating the matter, nor will I say much about GWB or his policies, because IMO, that ship has sailed and isn't comming back. For me, all it does is just further divide people and I feel that me (Eddie) continually posting on a community message board isn't healthy or productive for really anyone. I feel the same way when talking about politics in general lately and recent political threads have gotten too much for me to handle. The CB is a pretty tense place right now and we are still 8 weeks away from the election. I can't imagine though hurt feelings and anger are just going away after the election. I think at some point we as Americans have to find a way to treat each other a little nicer when it comes to our religious and political beliefs. That's just my opinion though.


This isn't a YAGE or an attempt to gain your sympathy, but a opportunity to leave this place a better person. I'm not leaving the DIS forever, but just a much needed break from all the political craziness and it might be a while. I just need to take better care of myself and focus on me and my family. So I wanted to make it right with everyone I have crossed paths with over the years and I do mean everyone. I have learned a lot from this board and all the unique people who have been part of it. It has been educational and eye opening at times to see all the different viewpoints. It has changed me in ways that all of you might not realise and for that, I am eternally grateful. Thank you for being part of my online family for these past 4 years.

So be good to each other and may all of you and your families stay healthy and prosperous. Good luck and God bless.:wave:

Best of luck to you! :flower3:
 
Does it strike anyone that Senator McNuggets is Bush v.2 - this time with spelling and grammar check?



Rich::
 
Gallup poll update!

Obama - 48%
McCain - 42%

No real shift then.



Rich::
 
Gallup poll update!

Obama - 48%
McCain - 42%

No real shift then.



Rich::

Just a couple of points. Not bad. :thumbsup2

It'll be interesting to see how things go for McCain. I do think not having Bush at the convention will help the bounce he'll get from it, but scaling back on the festivities because of Gustav might not.
 
Gallup poll update!

Both candidates gain a point; no change in Obama lead.

Obama - 49%
McCain - 43%



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