The large number of new Aulani resale contracts??

Just another reminder…you can not share what is happening on a brokers website without the link to the broker…if that broker is filtered, then you can’t talk about their listings or business at all…which includes speculating about them.

Saying “a broker” does not allow you to get around the rule. From this point forward, warnings will be issued.
 
100% agree. Since I've been following all this--that is, since around 2005--there have only been two other times that Disney has struggled to reasonably fill rooms. Great recession. And Pandemic. Both of those were limited-time experiences, with a presumed end date. Disney is struggling to fill hotel rooms now, with no significant outside event--and with new universal hotels and Epic on the horizon. It may just be that Disney wants to limit competition that takes business away from its hotel rentals. That would make sense to me. I don't think the economics of the rentals are going south. These are probably contracts that the brokers bought years ago--likely as re-sale--and at a very good price. I bet their per-use price per-point is about $1.50 above MF presently. Earlier in the thread, I think many people have shown how, at scale, this is a pretty good business model in terms of profit. That probably means somewhere around gross revenue of about $10 per point per year, minus expenses. Also, maybe it's double that or more if they have Boardwalk Standard or Jambo Value as confirmed reservations. Anyway, I for one would be happy if commercial renters got out of the confirmed res business. If you have few reservations you can't use and need to rent, all is good. If your LLC has a couple thousands of confirmed reservations in key rooms, I think that's a problem--and likely means that's a couple thousand less reservations for Disney as well. And then multiply that out by X number of LLC renters.
Maybe Disney is having problems filling their deluxe hotels due to the crazy rack rates they are asking for.
The post-pandemic demand is waning, yet Disney has increased the cost of a vacation considerably since 2019, and cut back on benefits. While wages have gone up, prices for other goods, especially insurance, has really cut into many families disposable income.
Its probably cheaper to fly a family to paris and visit DLP for 5d than go to WDW for the same length of time.
 
Maybe Disney is having problems filling their deluxe hotels due to the crazy rack rates they are asking for.
The post-pandemic demand is waning, yet Disney has increased the cost of a vacation considerably since 2019, and cut back on benefits. While wages have gone up, prices for other goods, especially insurance, has really cut into many families disposable income.
Its probably cheaper to fly a family to paris and visit DLP for 5d than go to WDW for the same length of time.
I don’t think they are having an issue filling Aulani.
 
I'm missing something, are you saying that this document does say something about commercial renting?
No Im saying that I was afraid all these contracts dropped because someone had insider info that dues were going to skyrocket which would effect me. But since Im not a commerical renter whatever is causing them to mass sell these contracts likely doesnt effect me (aside from resale value, but Im not selling now so Im still okay in that regards)
 
On Redweek.com it’s business as usual, with the overwhelming majority of confirmed reservations by the usual suspects. As much as I’d love to see DVC actually protecting their members, this ain’t that. Someone mentioned brokers have lowered payouts to owners per point, so I’m guessing it’s a really slow period and people are dumping investments before it gets much slower.
 
On Redweek.com it’s business as usual, with the overwhelming majority of confirmed reservations by the usual suspects. As much as I’d love to see DVC actually protecting their members, this ain’t that. Someone mentioned brokers have lowered payouts to owners per point, so I’m guessing it’s a really slow period and people are dumping investments before it gets much slower.
Yeah, but if the contracts are already stripped of 2024 and 2025 points…. why throw them all on the market at once? You’d slow walk them.
 
Yeah, but if the contracts are already stripped of 2024 and 2025 points…. why throw them all on the market at once? You’d slow walk them.

Yes, that is also true. It doesn’t make sense any way you look at it. If it’s voluntary, you don’t flood the market when supply outstrips demand, and if it’s forced, there is no evidence of that on the confirmed reservation market. Strip and flip, rental enforcement, voluntarily leaving rental market, none of it makes any sense. Maybe someone/corp being forced to liquidate their assets due to a judgment?
 
Yes, that is also true. It doesn’t make sense any way you look at it. If it’s voluntary, you don’t flood the market when supply outstrips demand, and if it’s forced, there is no evidence of that on the confirmed reservation market. Strip and flip, rental enforcement, voluntarily leaving rental market, none of it makes any sense. Maybe someone/corp being forced to liquidate their assets due to a judgment?

Divorce? That’s a possible option too.
 
It could be a way to.manipulate resale prices. Act like you're dumping thousands of points, dropping the resale on other unscripted contracts, scoop up the new contracts at a discount and then pull your listings.
 


















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