*The Dave Ramsey 'Baby Steps' Thread*

Long time reader, but rarely post - I just wanted to add one thing DH and I did to build our funds when we started sinking funds for our annual / semi-annual expenses - changed our drinks to water.

When we would eat out with the family (or just ourselves), we started ordering only water. We didn't eat out too often, but with 5 of us, not ordering sodas saved anywhere from $10-$15 every time we did. We never ate at fancy places (think Steak & Shake, Fazoli's, etc), but it would still save at least $40-$50 a month. I just moved the money each time after we ate out depending on the drink places we chose.
 
Long time reader, but rarely post - I just wanted to add one thing DH and I did to build our funds when we started sinking funds for our annual / semi-annual expenses - changed our drinks to water.

When we would eat out with the family (or just ourselves), we started ordering only water. We didn't eat out too often, but with 5 of us, not ordering sodas saved anywhere from $10-$15 every time we did. We never ate at fancy places (think Steak & Shake, Fazoli's, etc), but it would still save at least $40-$50 a month. I just moved the money each time after we ate out depending on the drink places we chose.
And this is why "personal finance" is "personal"- I LOVE a fountain soda and prioritize when we go out (we usually eat out 1x a week). I've stopped buying soda at home (which def saves a ton) but when we go out, I am DEF getting a Coke! LOL
 
I need to start sinking funds. I think that's a great idea. Just to put say 420 in an envelop everyy paycheck. Make 1 for car expenses (1 for car repairs/oil changes, 1 for registration/taxes), one for medical expenses for when we have to make a trip to the dpctpr (I had to visit the cardiologist this week, and it was $75). Then 1 for any household repairs (like if our washer, dishwasher go out). I think that's a tremendous idea. Just slowly add to it.
 

The dishwasher and heater/AC are covered by the landlord as well as any faucets, including outside faucets. If anything goes wrong with washer/dryer or fridge, then that's on us to repair/replace.

Again, unless these aren't provided by your landlord, these and most other household repairs aren't your problem. It's one of the few advantages to renting, maintenance and things breaking aren't your problem.
 
Take a look at your credit card statement sometime and see what they charge for a cash advance. It's the same thing as borrowing a personal loan. High interest rates apply to unsecured loans. Yes, it's legal even though many would consider it usury. That's why it's probably not a good idea for the PP to take out a personal loan to pay off the car loan so that they can sell the vehicle.. The rate on the personal loan would be high, the money that they would realize from the sale would not cover the loan and they would be left with only one car to get two people to their jobs which are miles apart.

thankfully i've never had to consider a cash advance from a credit card but I did just look at the terms on mine-still seems outrageous to me but at 17.99% it's just about half of what I saw quoted on bankrate.
 
Take a look at your credit card statement sometime and see what they charge for a cash advance. It's the same thing as borrowing a personal loan. High interest rates apply to unsecured loans. Yes, it's legal even though many would consider it usury. That's why it's probably not a good idea for the PP to take out a personal loan to pay off the car loan so that they can sell the vehicle.. The rate on the personal loan would be high, the money that they would realize from the sale would not cover the loan and they would be left with only one car to get two people to their jobs which are miles apart.

I did not realize these ran so high. SoFi advertises personal loans starting at 8.9%, and if I'm remembering correctly texas fan's auto loan is like 18% or something around there which is why I suggested getting out from under it. But if he can only get approved for something super high then not worth it. But man by the time the loan is over he is going to have paid a huge overall cost for the vehicle. Hope he plans to drive it another 10 years.
 
The dishwasher and heater/AC are covered by the landlord as well as any faucets, including outside faucets. If anything goes wrong with washer/dryer or fridge, then that's on us to repair/replace.
I can understand being responsible for the w/d and fridge IF you own them and would take them when you move. If those appliances belong to the landlord, they are responsible for replacement or repair.
 
I did not realize these ran so high. SoFi advertises personal loans starting at 8.9%, and if I'm remembering correctly texas fan's auto loan is like 18% or something around there which is why I suggested getting out from under it. But if he can only get approved for something super high then not worth it. But man by the time the loan is over he is going to have paid a huge overall cost for the vehicle. Hope he plans to drive it another 10 years.
SoFi advertises a "starting" rate that is low. But that would be for a borrower with excellent credit and other positive attributes that point toward them being fiscally responsible. But the APR can climb pretty high based on the assessed risk of the borrower defaulting. The personal loan might be worth a look for the PP but a lot would depend on their credit worthiness.
 
Again, unless these aren't provided by your landlord, these and most other household repairs aren't your problem. It's one of the few advantages to renting, maintenance and things breaking aren't your problem.

Of course that is assuming your landlord is willing to promptly fix things. I have had some terrible landlords over the years who would let problems go for weeks and weeks without fixing them.
 
Of course that is assuming your landlord is willing to promptly fix things. I have had some terrible landlords over the years who would let problems go for weeks and weeks without fixing them.

Landlord still needs to be given the information and opportunity to do what they are supposed to.

That's a bad situation that needs to be dealt with. Also would expect the landlord to reimburse for fixing their stuff at that point.
 
I need to start sinking funds. I think that's a great idea. Just to put say 420 in an envelop everyy paycheck. Make 1 for car expenses (1 for car repairs/oil changes, 1 for registration/taxes), one for medical expenses for when we have to make a trip to the dpctpr (I had to visit the cardiologist this week, and it was $75). Then 1 for any household repairs (like if our washer, dishwasher go out). I think that's a tremendous idea. Just slowly add to it.
May I make some suggestions?
I think the "envelope" system is a good start for people who cash their paycheck and have cash in hand. Most people either have direct deposit or deposit a check at their bank. In that case a virtual envelope system works well. This is why I preach using Ally or some similar bank. When I log in, we have one checking account and around 10 savings accounts. Being able to give a name to each one keeps it all separate and make it easy to see what money is where, and most importantly, where $ is needed. If all of these funds were combined into one savings account, seriously my financial organization would collapse. I'd be a mess. Having them separated keeps me organized, even if one account had $0, like our Christmas account does most of the year, it still shows me that every time I log in.

My husband likes to keep some cash in a safe in case ATMs all crash and that's handy sometimes too but if a cash envelope system might be tempting to let's say order pizza delivery, then keeping it more out of sight would help in the long run. Our cash in the safe is not an EF nor is it earmarked for anything in particular.

As for medical expenses, do you or your wife's employer offer a Flex Spending Account? If so, have you set one up? This would allow you to submit the receipt and you'd get reimbursed that $75.
The benefit of enrolling is that your medical expenses are then not taxed by the IRS, so this lowers your taxable income. You can decide how much you want to put into it per year and that amount is take from your paycheck pretax. (At my job, we are paid every other week so that's 26 paychecks per year. So my total amount is divided by 26 and that is how much is deducted from my pay.)
We started with $600 the first year, afraid that we might not ever reach that much in expenses. We plowed right through it by May of that year. The right amount to choose really varies from person to person and how much you spend per year in copays, etc. Things that people often don't consider medical care expenses that are submittable are eyeglass, rx sunglasses, contact lenses and their cleaning/solutions, sunscreen, fluoride rinse, etc.

I know people who don't like it because $ is deducted from their paycheck and that gets them twisted but the alternative is paying more to the IRS, which I dislike even more so I do it.

JMHO
 
May I make some suggestions?
I think the "envelope" system is a good start for people who cash their paycheck and have cash in hand. Most people either have direct deposit or deposit a check at their bank. In that case a virtual envelope system works well. This is why I preach using Ally or some similar bank. When I log in, we have one checking account and around 10 savings accounts. Being able to give a name to each one keeps it all separate and make it easy to see what money is where, and most importantly, where $ is needed. If all of these funds were combined into one savings account, seriously my financial organization would collapse. I'd be a mess. Having them separated keeps me organized, even if one account had $0, like our Christmas account does most of the year, it still shows me that every time I log in.

My husband likes to keep some cash in a safe in case ATMs all crash and that's handy sometimes too but if a cash envelope system might be tempting to let's say order pizza delivery, then keeping it more out of sight would help in the long run. Our cash in the safe is not an EF nor is it earmarked for anything in particular.
I mostly lurk over here and appreciate all the different methods and advice everyone gives. I use this same method and, to me, what it points to is that you have to figure out what works for you. I had tried the cash in envelopes method previously and while I thought it was ok, DH never really got behind it. So I have an insane amount of savings accounts that I have tied to our checking. But this works for me and allows me to save in different categories knowing that I'm going to have home repairs or car insurance or the $1k vet bill I just got :crazy2:. But knowing these are coming and even starting off with $20 per pay check for each category, you will feel amazing when these bills come and you have the money set aside. It also takes some stress away. Either way, find what works for you and that you can stick with.

As far as the cash, I rarely have some but there are some occasions that you need it. I starting taking the checks I get from Rakuten and Poshmark and cashing them and hiding the cash from myself. It's there if I need it but it's in a location that is a pain for me to get to but I could if I needed it say in the middle of the night. These aren't large checks, I just sell on Postmark from my own closet, but they will add up over time. This cash isn't earnmarked for anything in particular either but could be if needed at some point.
 





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