THE Conservative Thread: Country First!

[mickeysgal]

I was just thinking about him this morning too! Mr. Man - hope you are okay!!!

I don't know him...was he and his family in the path of the hurricane?

 

[OceanAnnie]

Has there ever been an election without negative campaign ads? I can't recall one. Both sides are running the ads. Some of the ads are issue based, some are a intermixed with a mish mash of non-issue jabs. Both sides do it.

Running the negative campaign ads is something Obama does quite well. He executes the negative ads, denies it, and calls the McCain camp on it. Then he continues doing it. Applying that strategy to a presidency would be interesting! Now there's talk of a "scorched earth" campaign by Obama. I thought he declared, "Enough". Anyway, the scorched earth campaign seems to be accepted by a majority of his followers. So it's not okay to run negative ads, but it's okay to run collossally negative campaign ads? Where's the logic? How are they different? Is this the change and "uniting" Obama promised?

I say have at it. It will only make him look worse. It is strangely amusing and highly illogical for Obama and his supporters to cry foul about negativity over and over while participating, then to declare, "game on" and step it up. And how is that a different approach to politics?

 

[*disgal*]

Yummo! I had raspberry sorbet last nite.

Best part about hurricanes is clearing out the freezer......and eating to bursting!

We have a generator but it won't run 2 fridges, 1 freezer, A/C TV & (most importantly) the blender. So, sacrifices must be made

I have 4 racks of ribs on the smoker, 10lbs of venison sausage & 4 beer-butt chickens.

We gonna eat!

Mr. Man........I assume there are leftovers? I'll be right over.

I just watched John McCain on the View. He did great. Did anyone else notice that Barbara would not face him or look at him when speaking to him? I was surprised to see Joy behaving herself, and treating him w/ respect. Barbara was the worst. I wish they'd put Barack on the spot w/ difficult questions. They worshipped him when he was on the show though. Hopefully Americans will notice the bias and take that into account.

I cannot even bear to watch the Charlie Gibson interview. I saw clips of it, and couldn't believe his blatant distain.

I didn't watch the whole thing but did anyone else catch the end? Babs was thanking McCain and the audience was clapping, so maybe they didn't hear but I did. Babs said something like,"say hello to Gov. Palin for us and tell her she is welcome to come on, we'll give her only easy questions".....heehee, snarl, snarl.......WHAT AN INSULT! I want to say to McCain/Palin.....don't even give one moment of your time on that ridiculous show! I hope their ratings sink. I bet McCain wanted to slap her silly. You can't convince me they'd act like that to BO or Mrs. BO.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!! TEACHER UPDATE!!!!

I LOVE that she got caught by her phone message. Maybe we ought to threaten schools the way they do churches with taking away their state funding if they pull crap like that. Good for you transparant.

This came out yesterday, I just found it interesting:

Obama only talks good game on gender pay equity
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378772_murdockonline12.html

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh liberals getting caught not walking the walk, only talking the talk. Love it.

Subscribing to the new thread.

Welcome Database.

I need to go take a nap but I'll do more catching up later..........then I'll be over for some BBQ, ok Mr. Man??

 

[SwedishMeatball]

I'm certain Mr Man is out being neighborly, and he's not even a liberal. It doesn't take an act of Congress for some people to do the right thing.

 

[Michelle67]

I'm certain Mr Man is out being neighborly, and he's not even a liberal. It doesn't take an act of Congress for some people to do the right thing.

You're probably right. I hope he is just out helping with cleanup and checking up on his neighbors.

Check in soon, Mr. Man.

 

[transparant]

Just got back from hockey and my son jumped behind our McCain sign and started cheering (the sun was in his eye's though) - I had my cellphone and snapped a pic FYI - 2 more McCain signs just went up on our block as of this morning!

 

[Dolce27]

Has there ever been an election without negative campaign ads? I can't recall one. Both sides are running the ads. Some of the ads are issue based, some are a intermixed with a mish mash of non-issue jabs. Both sides do it.

Running the negative campaign ads is something Obama does quite well. He executes the negative ads, denies it, and calls the McCain camp on it. Then he continues doing it. Applying that strategy to a presidency would be interesting! Now there's talk of a "scorched earth" campaign by Obama. I thought he declared, "Enough". Anyway, the scorched earth campaign seems to be accepted by a majority of his followers. So it's not okay to run negative ads, but it's okay to run collossally negative campaign ads? Where's the logic? How are they different? Is this the change and "uniting" Obama promised?

I say have at it. It will only make him look worse. It is strangely amusing and highly illogical for Obama and his supporters to cry foul about negativity over and over while participating, then to declare, "game on" and step it up. And how is that a different approach to politics?

Here’s the thing: During the Democratic primaries Obama really didn’t issue any blatant negative ads. The ads were a bit negative if you were someone that was really keeping up with everything political going on but the average American would miss the digs he was getting in during his ads. What Obama did do, and did quite well, was underhanded tactics to go negative. Example: When Hillary gave that interview that the media suddenly went wild stating that she was alluding that Obama would be assassinated before the Democratic Convention and she needed to remain in the race to step in when that occurred. Fact: that statement in the interview had nothing to do with Obama or RFK’s assassinated itself; her point had been that RFK was still running for election that late in the primaries when he was assassinated and no one was requesting that he drop out. Fact: No one at that interview took Hillary’s statement thinking that she was referring to RFK’s assassination itself or that it had anything at all to do with Obama. Then the Obama campaign came across that interview tape. They sent it to the msm and while doing so issued a statement:

By then, the Obama campaign had issued a statement, linking to the Post item and saying her comment “was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.”

They’re the ones who started that media frenzy against Hillary and they’ve been doing similar stuff with McCain/Palin. They play very underhandedly in this; Obama tries not to get his hands dirty and when he does – he just blames it on some random staffer.

 

[breezy1077]

Just got back from hockey and my son jumped behind our McCain sign and started cheering (the sun was in his eye's though) - I had my cellphone and snapped a pic FYI - 2 more McCain signs just went up on our block as of this morning!

Awesome!

 

[SwedishMeatball]

If You Like Michigan's Economy,
You'll Love Obama's

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122126282034130461-lMyQjAxMDI4MjExMzIxNjMyWj.html

 

[Dolce27]

By the way, this is something I’ve meant to bring up before. I actually came across the research about Axelrod playing the race card with the 2003 Street/Katz election back during the primaries and before this article, that I just came across, was written (August 6 2008). I thought some of you might be interested in reading this.

Why Did McCain Come Down Hard On Race Card? Simple, Axelrod Is Famous For It.

In political circles, David Axelrod has been on the circuit for a long time and is well known. He has never headed up a national campaign until Obama, but has run a variety of other campaigns… Senators, Mayors, Governors, etc. Deval Patrick, Barack Obama and Harold Washinton are among his many clients.
He does advise White candidates, but is primarily known for managing African American’s campaigns.
So, when everyone else was surprised that the McCain campaign “called out” Obama on his playing of the race card, I stood up and clapped.
Why, you might ask?
Because he did what Hillary Clinton, as a faithful Democrat, could not… Call “********” on the race card.
You also might wonder how McCain came up with such a quick, complete and perfectly balanced response to the playing of the race card?
Simple… they were expecting it.
Axelrod is famous for resorting to the race card when advising African American’s campaigns. As Peter Wirs puts it,

His [Axelrod's] favorite, indeed primary campaign tactic, is to polarize the campaign with smear attacks, in other words, the race card. Indeed when all else fails, Axelrod resorts to the race card as his ace in the hole.

This is something that Hillary Clinton should have been better prepared for as it is obvious this is what happened to the Clintons. My guess is that the Clinton camp probably weren’t expecting it or didn’t think it would fly… I mean, would Axelrod smear personal friends and fellow Democrats as racists, especially after all Hillary had done for the Axelrod’s and their daughter? And besides that… who would believe that the Clintons were racists, right?
The history of Axelrod and his tactic of using the race card and smearing the opponent as a racist is well documented, but there is no more blatant example than the campaign of the Philly Mayor John Street…
Wirs continues…

Street won his first term in 1999 in a razor-thin victory over GOP Sam Katz, despite a 4 to 1 voter registration edge. 2003 was anticipated to be rerun despite Street’s incumbency.
However, in the middle of the re-election campaign, with polls showing Katz actually in the lead, Street discovered that the FBI placed listening devices in the mayor’s conference room as part of a sweeping investigation of municipal corruption. The FBI’s investigation uncovered a corruption scheme led by Street’s fund raiser Ron White, who died before going to trial and secured convictions of, among others, the city treasurer, Street’s personal attorney, a family cleric, and finally Street’s older brother, on hundreds of corruption-related charges. However, the G men were never able to pin anything on Street himself. So shameful was the Street tenure that the April 17, 2005, issue of Time Magazine listed Street as one of the three worst big-city mayors in the United States.
The discovery of the FBI bug at first seemed like a death knell to the Street campaign. But under Axelrod’s skillful media manipulation, Street and his supporters successfully polarized the campaign by leveling accusations of institutional racial prejudice and playing on historical skepticism of the GOP-controlled Federal government. The result? Street crushed Katz by winning re-election by a sixteen-point margin.

Obama is merely following a path that was well worn by Axelrod’s previous clients… play the worst kind of politics possible, smear the opponent as a racist.
Interestingly enough, McCain is not gonna walk into that trap and he is not gonna put up with it. He has come up with a pretty good tactic… call Obama out on playing the race card. Letting everyone know that it’s Obama bringing up race and not him. Painting Obama as the one with the race problem… and it’s working. McCain is now tied with Obama in some polls, ahead in others.
I mean, what is Obama gonna say? Deny that he was talking about race? That McCain is the one that brought it up?
He couldn’t do anything but eat it. Besides, you can’t really call McCain a racist… kinda hard when he has a Bangladeshi daughter adopted from one of Mother Theresa’s schools.

 

[winkers]

He did. I wish he was on earlier, I can't stay up that late to watch him so I'm reduced to youtube clips of him.
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That's why I love my tivo! I watch him every morning while I'm getting ready. He always makes me laugh.

None taken. We have a bumper sticker (not on the car) that says, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an a*****e".
My SIL has a shirt that says "Jesus loves you. I'm trying".

 

[SwedishMeatball]

The libs are happy to have Axelrod, because they consider him to be their version of Rove. It's alright if the guy doing the dirty work is on your side. Different sets of rules for different sets of people is the new, but really old, liberal motto.

 

[*disgal*]

Up from my nap. Boy, do I feel better. I was in charge of the dinner at church today..............went well, but I was a sweaty, tired, pig afterwards............make that a sweaty, tired, pig with lipstick afterwards!

It's taking me a while to catch up, but I'll get there.

FTR, I am one church leader who does not wish to discuss politics in church. It's just not "the main thing". I'm trying to make disciples here, not conservaties or liberals. I don't want to be a "Republican" church or a "Democrat" church. I just want to welcome and serve people wherever they are on their spiritual journey (and wherever on the political spectrum) and help them become fully committed Christ-followers. As I often say to folks IRL, politics is small potatoes compared to discipleship.

Totally agree with you Zip! My only point was that everyone goes off their rocker if a church leader says anything about politics, throwing losing their tax deduction status in their face..........but they don't blink when a school, that their WHOLE bugdet is from tax payers money, has a teacher that freely voices their political views on his/her most gullible audience. How about if we have both of them off limits.

Does Harry Reid have a crystal ball?

Now THAT must have made him really T O'd afterwards........would have loved to have seen the look on his face.

Might not be allowed to tell it from the pulpit but mine sure has it all over the back of her car and in her wardrobe selection. I'm just sayin'. I'm having some church issues (not God issues) right now and I think most of it is because I know my pastor's politics. I'd rather not know.

I know what you mean. I know of a retired pastor that is not voting like I am, so I don't think about it. I love he and his family so dearly and I don't want to think anything badly of him, so I won't. I just don't go there.

Gosh, hearing stuff like that makes me sad no matter how the political labels are spun. Hang in there with God, and with church! Bless you for enduring. This is why none of my peeps would know my politics. I think a leader can become a stumbling block quickly if he/she is not careful.

I'm glad I get to come on the DIS and talk politics. It helps me restrain myself IRL.

Glad it helps you out, Zip! I know I appreciate what you have to say..........and that's good thinking on your part.

One of the new memes I keep reading, both on the liberal blogs and in the press is that McCain has decided to "dishonor" himself in order to win the election. And that the "old" Straight Talk McCain, the one who was the press darling, would never have stooped so low. It's all just a shame, and such a pity.

This editorial absolutely rips that fantasy to shreds. It's a bit long, but I highly recommend it:

Loved that article.

I'll just call him B. Hussein O. That outta make the blood pressure go up some. Or as Mr Man says.....put some gin in their kool aid.



Umm, excuse me. I ordered the large glass of wine.....

Well since he will only have a few weeks left in office by then, what harm could come of him smacking her over the head with it?

talulabelle, you took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[tinkryansmom]

I say have at it. It will only make him look worse. It is strangely amusing and highly illogical for Obama and his supporters to cry foul about negativity over and over while participating, then to declare, "game on" and step it up. And how is that a different approach to politics?

And as the brilliant people here have said over and over they will cry foul while participating. The GOP will still be blamed and we will still be labeled the hypocrits.

I have never gotten the Obama hysteria. I have never thought he really had any type of message. Just one word. Change. But now that the shine is off the Obama apple I really don't get how people still see him as the agent of change. Nothing about his campaign seems any different from historical campaigns. Change indeed. Really? Where? How?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Rasmussen's on Fox. McCain is 50% Obama 47%....says it's significant...not only reaching 50% but, he hasn't lost any of his bounce. Also, saying McCain is now leading in the electoral vote. Says election shaping up like 2004. McCain has 6% advantage among unaffliated voters. Republicans are more excited about the election than Obama supporters. There is a declining interest from young voters and women about the election in general.....bad news for Obama.

 

[Pop Daddy]

Rasmussen's on Fox. McCain is 50% Obama 47%....says it's significant...not only reaching 50% but, he hasn't lost any of his bounce. Also, saying McCain is now leading in the electoral vote. Says election shaping up like 2004. McCain has 6% advantage among unaffliated voters. Republicans are more excited about the election than Obama supporters. There is a declining interest from young voters and women about the election in general.....bad news for Obama.

thats what Im talkin about

 

[wardfamily1]

Um, when was the last time Mr Man checked in? I'm starting to get worried.

MR MANNNN.......someone should send out the Bat Signal for him. I hope he's ok.

Rasmussen's on Fox. McCain is 50% Obama 47%....says it's significant...not only reaching 50% but, he hasn't lost any of his bounce. Also, saying McCain is now leading in the electoral vote. Says election shaping up like 2004. McCain has 6% advantage among unaffliated voters. Republicans are more excited about the election than Obama supporters. There is a declining interest from young voters and women about the election in general.....bad news for Obama.

Now THAT'S sexy.



(I dedicate the second part of this post to Pop Daddy )

 

[winkers]

 

[wardfamily1]

I LOVE this one.

 

[tinkryansmom]

YAY!!

Is it wrong to say I like bad news for Obama??