The bus...

[Hannathy]

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Um, when you refer to people that have childen as "breeding" it's a insult and extremely rude.

uhh that is what you are doing when you have children. Human are animals and animals breed. Don't see how it can be rude or insulting.

 

[si-am]

As someone who is youngish (30s), relatively healthy, and without kids... the only thing I'll add is that sometimes I'm really tired too. Or not feeling well, or dealing with blisters/swollen feet.

I am, I suppose, the poster child of someone who "should" give up my seat, but dangit I refuse to stand on the bus every single time for the rest of my life until I am elderly enough to suddenly deserve it while other women my age get seats just because they have children.

So, I might give up my seat, I might not. And I don't feel bad about it.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

While I think it would be nice for able bodied adults to give their seats to the elderly, the young, or the very pregnant, I don't think it's required.

Which I think is part of what a lot of you are missing.

This is what I've been trying to say. Nice yes, required no!

After reading only about 10 posts, I'm so very happy to say I have never ridden a Disney bus and now certainly never will. Whether I'm staying on property or not, I will do whatever is needed to ensure I drive myself/family to and from the parks. NONE of this experience (just missing a bus, waiting for buses, fighting over seats, struggling with stroller/packages, smelling other stinky people) is worth the 'free' ride.

I've been active on this thread for some strange reason, yet we've only used Disney buses for one trip in the past 7 years. We used to ride buses when the kids were younger, but stopped for many of the reasons on this thread. In 2009, we decided to save some money and try the buses again. BIG MISTAKE! We are now back to happy car rental people! I find this an interesting debate, but one that we stay far away from when actually at WDW anymore. It's not just the behavior issue, it's the long waits for buses especially at night, multiple stops for many resorts, no direct resort-to-resort transporation, slow transportation to DTD, etc.

 

[skater]

So, people who do not reward you for breeding by giving up their seat have no conscience or morals?? It's your choice to have small children so close together in age. It's also your choice to wait for another bus, so those small children can sit safely.

I never expected anyone to give up a seat for me when I had a toddler in tow. I would always wait for the next bus. Always.

Your response to Smalltowngirl seems a little out of proportion to her quote .

 

[KSDisneyDad]

uhh that is what you are doing when you have children. Human are animals and animals breed. Don't see how it can be rude or insulting.

It depends on what context it's used. I know from some of your previous posts, you're probaby just stirring the pot though. That's okay. Enjoy.

 

[skater]

uhh that is what you are doing when you have children. Human are animals and animals breed. Don't see how it can be rude or insulting.

I understand that biologically humans are classified as animals. But some of us believe humans are better than the rest of the Animal Kingdom. I found the word breeding insulting too and I think many (not all) would agree with me.

 

[brunette8706]

I understand the biologically humans are classified as animals. But some of us believe humans are better than the rest of the Animal Kingdom. I found the word breeding insulting too and I think many (not all) would agree with me.

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Thanks! Some people just do not have any class....

 

[skater]

After reading only about 10 posts, I'm so very happy to say I have never ridden a Disney bus and now certainly never will. Whether I'm staying on property or not, I will do whatever is needed to ensure I drive myself/family to and from the parks. NONE of this experience (just missing a bus, waiting for buses, fighting over seats, struggling with stroller/packages, smelling other stinky people) is worth the 'free' ride.

I'm not trying to change your mind, but the posts you see on this board have not been our reality at all on the buses. Most of the time people are kind, excited to be on vacation, chatty, friendly, etc. Not always, but most of the time, I have seen young adults give up their seats for the elderly and toddlers. I have also seen Moms put their kids on their laps to free up seats for others. We like the Disney buses (except when we have to wait a long time for one ) and look at them as part of our trip. Its also nice to have an adult beverage without worrying about driving . I'm a little surprised at some of the posts here.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

There is nothing wrong with waiting for the next bus. You should however not think that because you have more kids and gear than you can handle that I'm going to give you my seat. I can stand for 1/2 an hour with my ONE kid and my bag while DH holds the stroller. When you have more than 2 kids your ratio of Adult:Kid: Free hands goes down but that isn't my issue. It's the same thing with pregnant people. If you came to Disney you knew what was going on, i'm not giving you my seat. If we were in a city public transportation system I would though.

I have difficulty understanding this dichotomy. Why help someone in a city public transportation system, but not WDW? Shouldn't your same logic apply to both rather than be so inconsistent?

Perhaps there's something I'm missing since I'm not a big user of public transportation. It's okay to be courteous in one zip code but not another?

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I understand that biologically humans are classified as animals. But some of us believe humans are better than the rest of the Animal Kingdom. I found the word breeding insulting too and I think many (not all) would agree with me.

 

[Hannathy]

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Thanks! Some people just do not have any class....

speaking of being insulting.... pot meet kettle.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I have difficulty understanding this dichotomy. Why help someone in a city public transportation system, but not WDW? Shouldn't your same logic apply to both rather than be so inconsistent?

Perhaps there's something I'm missing since I'm not a big user of public transportation. It's okay to be courteous in one zip code but not another?

Because if you can't stand on the bus how are you walking around the parks all day. You are traveling to a place knowing full well you aren't completely capable.

Where as someone living a major metropolitan area really has no other choice because owning a car in those areas are more of a luxury than a necessity.

If i were pregnant and going to the world I would rent a car. If not stand on the bus and deal with my choice.

 

[KellyNY]

I actually said that. If you read carefully, I said "willing and able". WILLING is the key word. You're right, if they are not willing, that's okay.

And if you enter a bus and the entire bus is compomised of guests who are neither WILLING OR ABLE to get up, then that's life. My guess is that most guests who find themselves in this situation will stand rather than try to get off the bus and wait for the next one or catch a cab. It's not that big a deal.

Just because I think others should give up their seat if they are BOTH willing and able, doesn't mean that they have to do that. I get this and I apologize that it's taking so long for you to understand this. I am having such a difficult time understanding why you're taking such a hard stance on this issue. Earlier in the thread, you claimed you gladly give up your seat when using public transportation at home, but at Disney guests should just wait or not get on if they have young kids or are elderly, etc.. Why should there be a difference?

I think if you followed my posts, you can see where I and others see the difference even so again, I see no need to exlain nor justify , it should simply be out of question.

 

[brunette8706]

speaking of being insulting.... pot meet kettle.

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So I'm classless for calling you out? I agree with the previous poster, you're just trying to stir the pot.

 

[AustinTink]

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Thanks! Some people just do not have any class....

Now, I remember why I only read the community board. Adult discussions, banter on both sides of any topic without crying about it.

As I sign off, let me just say I always give up my seat to those in need. I just don't appreciate the feeling of entitlement and expectation some tend to hold. My point all along.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I understand that biologically humans are classified as animals. But some of us believe humans are better than the rest of the Animal Kingdom. I found the word breeding insulting too and I think many (not all) would agree with me.

Funny because Dh and I sometimes use the term "Breeders" when referencing ourselves as a joke. So count me as someone not insulted.

I'm actually a little bit more offend by the idea that Humans are better than the rest of the animal kingdom. I don't believe that is true AT ALL. Animals don't screw each other over, abandon responsibility, they follow the rules of nature. If anyone has their act together it's the rest of the animal kingdom not us.

 

[brunette8706]

Now, I remember why I only read the community board. Adult discussions, banter on both sides of any topic without crying about it.

As I sign off, let me just say I always give up my seat to those in need. I just don't appreciate the feeling of entitlement and expectation some tend to hold. My point all along.

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I don't think people on this forum are talking about people that are standing, who feel entitled. I think where the confusion lies is when an elderly person, or pregnant woman with kids, or even someone on crutches would probably LOVE to have your seat. Most people don't have that entitlement attitude in my experience. We're just talking about common courtesy in general nothing more.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Because if you can't stand on the bus how are you walking around the parks all day. You are traveling to a place knowing full well you aren't completely capable.

Where as someone living a major metropolitan area really has no other choice because owning a car in those areas are more of a luxury than a necessity.

If i were pregnant and going to the world I would rent a car. If not stand on the bus and deal with my choice.

I don't think it's whether or not you can stand. Most can stand even with three kids and a stroller. It's just common courtesy and that has no zip code boundaries IMO. I know from this thread that not everyone agrees. I think some points on this thread are on the extreme to make a point. I am thankful that most guests don't really behave this way.

And similar to your example, renting a car is a luxury at WDW. A young family with small kids is now expected to spend another $200 to $300 for this necessity that Disney advertises that you don't need when staying on-site? As I've said numerous times, it's not a perfect world. People will get on buses when we think they "shouldn't". People wont' get up when others think they "should". It's all a matter of personal choice and I hope this thread opens eyes to both sides of this debate.

 

[MusicMouse]

I'm not trying to change your mind, but the posts you see on this board have not been our reality at all on the buses. Most of the time people are kind, excited to be on vacation, chatty, friendly, etc. Not always, but most of the time, I have seen young adults give up their seats for the elderly and toddlers. I have also seen Moms put their kids on their laps to free up seats for others. We like the Disney buses (except when we have to wait a long time for one ) and look at them as part of our trip. Its also nice to have an adult beverage without worrying about driving . I'm a little surprised at some of the posts here.

Thank you Skater! I thought maybe I was the only one who used the bus system and had a great experience with it. I had small kids in tow (5 and 3), and we never had a problem. Of course, we went in expecting to wait in lines, have the kids sit on our laps when it was necessary, and stand if we needed to. As long as everyone gets from point A to point B, what's the big deal?

 

[WantToGoNow]

Because if you can't stand on the bus how are you walking around the parks all day. You are traveling to a place knowing full well you aren't completely capable.

Because there is a difference in walking and standing. My dd has Neurocardiogenic Syncope - her brain "forgets" to tell her heart to pump her blood. The result is plummeting blood pressure and heart rate and she passes out. When she's walking, this isn't a problem - the blood circulates; when she's standing still for a while, she's more likely to have a problem and pass out. Walking around the parks hasn't been a problem although we are expecting more of an issue this trip because we are going when it's warmer and she can't regulate her body temperature - once she gets hot (or cold), she will remain so for many hours - much longer than the average body takes to regulate.