The Apprentice....the Trump version...watch out for spoilers

[djm99]

What got me with this quote was that the "white community" is causing a backlash. From my perspective, race is playing ZERO issue in my thinking that Rebecca should've won. And, personally, I'm rather insulted by that statement. [Who woulda thunk an Apprentice thread would gradually be turning into a thread about race?.

No one is turning this into race issue. I simply cut and pasted what a journalist asked Randal - and how Randal responded to why he didn't ok Rebecca riding his coat tail. Randal didn't say anything about race - the journalist did. BTW, isn't Rebecca a journalist.... Boy they can sure be trouble....

 

[RyMickey]

No one is turning this into race issue. I simply cut and pasted what a journalist asked Randal - and how Randal responded to why he didn't ok Rebecca riding his coat tail. Randal didn't say anything about race - the journalist did. BTW, isn't Rebecca a journalist.... Boy they can sure be trouble....

I understand that you, yourself, aren't turning this into a race issue...but, I think that the journalist was certainly implying that it was a race issue by saying that the "white community has a Randall backlash."

 

[figment52]

Only in America could a black man be as educated, charismatic, articulate, well respected and qualified as Randal - and still be asked to share his winnings..... Only in America!!!

I don't think Randall being black had ANYTHING to do with Trump's question. And he wasn't asked to share anything - he was simply asked if Rebecca should also be offered a position. Trump was wrong but because he asked a question, not because he asked a black man a question.


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[djm99]

I understand that you, yourself, aren't turning this into a race issue...but, I think that the journalist was certainly implying that it was a race issue by saying that the "white community has a Randall backlash."

You don't think in general if we did a honest poll right here on this board of those that felt that Randal was wrong that 80% or more would be white. I think so.

I'm sure there a plenty of Randal "fans" of all racist. I am going to apologize about that comment upfront, but it is how I feel. Its just life in US in 2005. Hopefully in my lifetime it will be different.

 

[djm99]

I don't think Randall being black had ANYTHING to do with Trump's question. And he wasn't asked to share anything - he was simply asked if Rebecca should also be offered a position. Trump was wrong but because he asked a question, not because he asked a black man a question.

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You could possibly be correct, but so can I. I just find it odd that this journalist is being compared to this Rhodes Scholar. Randal looks better on paper and has more people skills than most. She didn't have that. She is a nice girl hands down, but I can't think of one thing Rebecca did that stood out these whole 13 weeks. Not one. Besides break her leg. Okay one she was able to make it and seat at a table with Randal . She make it to the finals which is a big deal - but IMO she had not business savy. What she did was avoid conflict. Which is why she make it so far IMO. She was riding on the coat tail of Randal for weeks. She's wasn't creative in any way (give me an example) ... seriously before this final task during the 12 weeks of interviewing. Give me a good example of leadership on Rebecca's part. Change my mind - its open. Please don't talk about her broken leg. i'm talking task. Now she was a good worker, she wasn't lazy or anything, she just wasn't leadership quality doesn't make a her bad person or anything like that.

 

[CPM]

I thought the same thing last night while watching. I'm certain we aren't the only ones.

Same here.

 

[BuzznBelle'smom]

Okay, I've been holding back on commenting until I actually saw the tape...

I liked Randal from the beginning. he has class and style, and clearly the respect of his fellow competitors. They kept picking him, and he kept winning tasks.

Rebecca really blew that final task. Sure, the party was nice, but she raised no money--zero! Remember the sporting challenge where the team did really well with the batting cage but sales went down? They were ALL fired--Rebecca deserved to be, too, for producing, in the end, ZERO results!

I also think Rebecca has a great future ahead of her, she was just outshone by Randal. He had the "total package"--great credentials and the business acumen to go with it.

And to the people criticizing his business and home--get a grip! How dare you judge someone by such things! He got married last year, no kids--how big a home does he need? Not to mention he lives in a high $ real estate area. It makes more sense to live in a comfortable sized home than a mansion and grow your business! Ditto for the business itself--I know that Trump favors the appearance of opulence, that's fine for him, but from a practical perspective, it makes little sense. If you can afford a 55,000 square foot mansion, knock yourself out, I truly don't mind, but I won't fault someone's choice to put thier money elsewhere.

Also, after reading the threads here, I thought Randal gave some nasty speech against Rebecca. Imagine my surprise when he didn't--he just didn't feel like she should be hired as well. Wrong of Trump to spring that on him, but Randal was aiming to beat Rebecca, not join her.

JMHO

 

[Skywalker]

Well, I'll wade into the fray too.

First of all, my blood boils at the morons who want to make this a race issue. How do you explain all of these very same people favouring Randall to win in the first place? Did they not notice he was black before? No, I'm pretty sure everyone is commenting on his "actions", not his race.

Next, I, like most everyone I know, knew that without a doubt, Randall was the winner here - but I also thought it was pretty close because Rebecca is quite impressive, and Randall isn't quite as perfect as I first thought. However, Trump was right on in hiring Randall - there really could have been no better choice. Randall is the whole package.

However, what happened after that was a turn off. Personally, I was one that would have expected Randall to finish off with a classy gesture. He acted so much over the last few weeks of the show that he liked/respected Rebecca so much and they seemed to get along so well. Why could he not just say "You know what? Yes, you would be smart to grab Rebecca too." It takes nothing away from Randall, he remained Trump's choice, he was hired, he won. It was clearly on the record that Trump chose HIM over her. Was it insecurity that he might be outshined? Mabye. A misplaced display of toughness? Maybe.

But then I guess none of the competitors are at their heart too soft or else they wouldn't be involved in such a cut-throat type of competition in the first place.

I don't feel too sorry for Rebecca, she is a big girl who will be very successful either way.

However, he could have taken the high road and closed this season on a high note to make everyone happy. Instead, he ended it with a backstabbing (only because he was so "close" to Rebecca, it wouldn't have seemed that way if they had been enemies or not close) and left a bad taste in my mouth.

Whatever, I still like Randall - it didn't turn me off him completely but yes, I just feel disappointed in the ending and maybe he went down a notch in my estimation.

 

[princesspumpkin]

I think it was a test and Randell just passed it. Trump had been saying he wasn't sure if Randell was tough enough, so he threw him in a horrible position to see how he'd handle it and I think in Trump's world he passed. Because in Randells position, Trump would've done the exact same thing, he didn't get to where he is today by playing Mr. Nice Guy and sharing the spotlight.

I do think it was a pretty crappy thing for Trump to do though, Randell was so happy celebrating and then BAM he puts him in that position, sorta takes away from his win. Not sure what I would've done.

I'm sure Rebecca will do just fine, she's amazing and at only 23 it's just mind boggling. She'll be a huge success at whatever she chooses to do.

Just a little disclaimer....these are just my thoughts and opinions, I'm not looking to get into a heated debate.

I totally agree. I think that it's totally unfair for people to be upset at Randall because he wanted this night to be about him, the "winner" like it has been for all of the other winners. It belittles his win by asking him to share the "win" with Rebecca. No one else had to do it, why him? He deserved to have all of the attention that night, just like all of the other winners did in the past. Trump should have let the show end, then offered Rebecca a position in his organization somewhere - like a regular job appointment. I know that people love Rebecca - so do I. But that doesn't mean that Randall should have allowed her to share in the spotlight that he rightly earned being elected by The Donald Trump as The Apprentice. I bet if all of you Dis'ers who are so upset, were in a situation where your precious DD or DS won first prize in a national competition, and they were asked to share the winner's first place podium with the person who came in second place, you'd be boiling mad!

 

[DebbieB]

I agree...

I believe that Donald Trump:

1. Showed an incredible amount of disrespect to Randal, the other contestants, and the process by not allowing Randal even 30-seconds to savor his win.

2. Blind-sided and unfairly put Randal on the spot and in a "no-win" situation. When he said "no" everyone cries foul for the cute girl who worked while wearing a cast. Lest we not forget, Randal pushed through with the death of a grandmother. Saying "yes" immediately switches the focus from him to HER and the shared win.

I'm sorry I've broken bones and lost my grandmother there is no comparison.

3. Diminished Randal's win by asking him to SHARE the Apprentice title. It's not that Randal should have answered differently; he should never have been asked the question. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate for Trump to ask his NEW APPRENTICE, "So, Randal would YOU hire Rebecca to work for you in the Trump organization?"

Other questions that may have been more appropriate:

--Randal, who will be your first hire? I'd recommend Rebecca.

--Randal, do you think I should find a place for her in the Trump organization?

--Randal, don't you think that Rebecca was a great competitor? Wouldn't you like to have her as a part of your team?

Don't blame Randal for wanting to enjoy the WIN like the contestants before him. He earned it and deserved more respect than he was shown.

Bill wasn't asked to share with Kwame.
Kendra wasn't asked to share with Tana.

Why should Randal be expected to share with Rebecca?

I don't care how great she is. Trump was wrong and Randal does not deserve the backlash. And I don't care what anyone said, how is a journalist going to fit into the Trump organization.

I don't blame Rebecca fans for supporting her. I do blame them for attacking Randal's character and demonizing him.

I think the problem was they were running out of time, it was close to 11:00, they had to wrap up the show.

I don't think Trump was asking Randal to "share" his title, he won. But I agree that he shouldn't have put him on the spot there and could have worded it better. I could see it coming when they announced the 2 jobs before they announced the winner and when both gave the opposite answers he said "that makes my decision easier". If he really wanted to hire both, he should have just done it. Or offered her another job after the show. I don't know if it was true, but I heard he hired Amy Henry from the first season for a position in his organization.

 

[mum4jenn]

Well, I'll wade into the fray too.

First of all, my blood boils at the morons who want to make this a race issue. How do you explain all of these very same people favouring Randall to win in the first place? Did they not notice he was black before? No, I'm pretty sure everyone is commenting on his "actions", not his race.

Next, I, like most everyone I know, knew that without a doubt, Randall was the winner here - but I also thought it was pretty close because Rebecca is quite impressive, and Randall isn't quite as perfect as I first thought. However, Trump was right on in hiring Randall - there really could have been no better choice. Randall is the whole package.

However, what happened after that was a turn off. Personally, I was one that would have expected Randall to finish off with a classy gesture. He acted so much over the last few weeks of the show that he liked/respected Rebecca so much and they seemed to get along so well. Why could he not just say "You know what? Yes, you would be smart to grab Rebecca too." It takes nothing away from Randall, he remained Trump's choice, he was hired, he won. It was clearly on the record that Trump chose HIM over her. Was it insecurity that he might be outshined? Mabye. A misplaced display of toughness? Maybe.

But then I guess none of the competitors are at their heart too soft or else they wouldn't be involved in such a cut-throat type of competition in the first place.

I don't feel too sorry for Rebecca, she is a big girl who will be very successful either way.

However, he could have taken the high road and closed this season on a high note to make everyone happy. Instead, he ended it with a backstabbing (only because he was so "close" to Rebecca, it wouldn't have seemed that way if they had been enemies or not close) and left a bad taste in my mouth.

Whatever, I still like Randall - it didn't turn me off him completely but yes, I just feel disappointed in the ending and maybe he went down a notch in my estimation.

THAT was good!!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!!! I too am tired of the race issue coming into this. It is stupid. I think if we went back through the pages of Apprentice stuff and "took a poll" we would find a GREAT percentage of "the white community" that have ALWAYS felt that they were impressed with Randal from the very beginning and felt that he would win and should have won. I agree that with all the things Randal said about Rebecca about how she was like a sister blah blah blah and with all the TV ads talking about a "twist" I think we all expected both to end up with a job.And when Randal rejected that idea I think everyone hoping for both of them to be hired was disappointing to us. But again as a person of "the white community" and living in southwest GA, I CAN see the posters point of that Randal should not have to "share" his win or even be a part of a double hiring. It does look kind of bad that the one time a black man wins the hiring that he should not be the single winner but part of a double winner. Every season the top two were deserving of both being hired but never was it considered to hire both(well...except maybe last season with the Mary Kay lady)

I don't think anyone was upset that a black man won but that with all the hoopla surrounding the relationship between the top two that Randal would have said to Trump that she deserved to be a part of his organization as well.BUT I doubt that anyone would have wanted the other person hired as well. I know Rebecca SAID she would have but see...she wasn't really presented with that dilema so you can't really say that she would have chosen him as well unless she was the one who had actually won and was presented with that question herself.

 

[djm99]

I think if we went back through the pages of Apprentice stuff and "took a poll" we would find a GREAT percentage of "the white community" that have ALWAYS felt that they were impressed with Randal from the very beginning and felt that he would win and should have won. It does look kind of bad that the one time a black man wins the hiring that he should not be the single winner but part of a double winner. Every season the top two were deserving of both being hired but never was it considered to hire both(well...except maybe last season with the Mary Kay lady)

I made it clear that I felt that there a many white and black supporters of Randal - what I focused on was those who are now upset and disappointed, etc. at Randal now - that’s who I mentioned should be polled not his fans. Then you make my point yourself. You yourself say its looks bad that this is the first season that Donald could have made 2 winners. Not making this a racial issue just stating facts. Facts you yourself stated. Not being a “moron” just stating and agreeing with you - stating the obvious. Not saying Trump was racist or anything of that nature. Do you know there are websites up right not to fire Randal? Don't believe me go to www.firerandal.com. I wonder how many hate sites were up for any other winning Apprentice. This is not the only either. In less than 24 hours this site was up and has 1000's of comments. There is no way you can't say this backlash is not in part racially motivated. Randal is called every derogatory word in the book – go to the site yourself. Heck, I belong to another message (that has not boundaries on what can be said) that Randal was leaving his black wife to marry white women. Just to start an argument. I'm upset with Donald for even putting Randal in that position. Randal could possibly be the most hated Apprentice - why - because he wanted to be a winner by himself - he wanted the gold metal - and didn't want to share his metal with the silver medalist winner. Period - you can play like his color has nothing to do with it - that’s why racism still exist because people want to pretend that is not there and only exist when its so blatantly obvious that no one could deny it.

 

[Skywalker]

you can play like his color has nothing to do with it - that’s why racism still exist because people want to pretend that is not there and only exist when its so blatantly obvious that no one could deny it.

 

[Robinrs]

Yikes!

I just saw the show last night and kept wondering why didn't Donald ask the first Apprentice, Bill, to hire Kwame, who was WAY more qualified than Rebecca....

I refuse to go to the fire Randall site because I continue to live my life hoping that that kind of hate does NOT exist even though I live it and knows it does. Maybe it's because I'm raising my Black son in a world where I am sugarcoating for him and want to build his self esteem before he finds out what's really out there, like my family did for me.

Funny, none of this happened for the previous Apprentices, goes to show ya.

 

[vivilasvegas]

Well, I can honestly say that I never thought once about the color of their skin.


I'm more tend to jump to the feminist argument anyways.

(not this time )

 

[djm99]

You can roll your eyes all day long if thats what makes you sleep at night - thats all you got? Lets be apart of the solution not the problem.

Well, I can honestly say that I never thought once about the color of their skin.
I'm more tend to jump to the feminist argument anyways.

(not this time )

At least your being honest - I could understand a fight for women. No one denies the fight of men vs. women in this world - but so many want to deny that problems don't exist between the races.

 

[DawnCt1]

This is probably old news because I haven't read the entire thread, but, I saw Rebecca on Fox News this morning and she said that she was really surprised that Randall made the decision he did. In fact she said, George, Carolyn and Donald seemed shocked. She said, that had she won, she would have hired him because in business "highly qualified, good people are hard to find and you hire them when you can". She has been deluged with many offers and 15 of them she would seriously consider.

 

[Skywalker]

Funny, none of this happened for the previous Apprentices, goes to show ya.

But again, honestly, why is this a race issue? Trump did a lot of things this season that he never did on previous Apprentices. Had he ever fired two people at once on the first season? Did he ever fire an entire losing team before? No. He is trying to shake things up.

How about Trump liked them both. He preferred Randall. But he obviously saw a lot of potential in Rebecca that a lot of people have seen too. Perhaps he thought it would be a neat twist to hire both people. Maybe next season he will hire neither person...who knows?

The issue with Randall is just that it was all so...unnecessary. He came across as being petty and it seemed beneath him.

Can't that just be all? Why does it have to be more sinister to some people?

 

[dcgrumpy]

If it had to do with race, why didn't he just name Rebecca the Apprentice outright?

 

[djm99]

If it had to do with race, why didn't he just name Rebecca the Apprentice outright?

The decision to hire Randal had nothing to do with Race IMO - what I do find funny is the backlash and sudden dislike for Randal. Last week no one could find many negative things to say about Randal - because of a question that Trump proposed and Randal declined now every single thing Randal has done up to the point is being poked fun of... i.e. his house, his company, his successes. I'm saying the aftermath is what is in question. I honestly believe that Rebecca was a nice girl - but she did nothing this whole season that stood out as a leader - during her 2 fail attempts at PM her team mocked her for asking their opinion - not leading them. In her successful attempt at PM she had a great team - her only team member was Randal - who gave her that win. The final task she didn't have to lead a team (be honest both teams were managed by themselves). Both had excellent team members that did what they were told 110%. Although Randal on the other hand gave many ideals (some successful some not so successful) - but they were ideas. Rebecca just rolled with it - and did what she was told to do well. She stayed out of the caddy battles with the girls and always gave her best during task. She aligned herself Randal and followed his lead very well (hince: the relations of being his little sister). She admired Randal, respected but to his equal and be an apprentice too). She was an excellent worker - but barely a capable leader. Then she was asked to share the win with Randal - how can she (a journalist - I'm sure she's good at what she does) be compared to Randal (a business man) - a successful business man that gained the respect of every candidate in this years apprentice – yet still ask to share!!

I could have understood this last season -