The 2010 Baltic Thread--Cruise Tips and Planning

Wait a minute. What do you mean "the bigger one next to it"????? What's that? And how serious is that risk?:scared1:

Breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Sister is stuck in Spain!!!!, can anyone who thinks they can get her home, tell us how????????? ;):rotfl:


From the BBC again.

Angry sisters

Eyjafjallajoekull, which is currently filling the sky above northern Europe with ash, is a minor player in Icelandic terms - though its last eruption lasted for more than a year, from December 1821 to January 1823.

The most ominous thing about Eyjafjallajoekull is that its eruptions have historically preceded eruptions by one of Iceland's most feared volcanoes, Katla.

Fortunately, Katla, one of the two so-called Angry Sisters, has shown no sign of unusual activity in 2010

Katla is located under the vast Myrdalsjoekull glacier. One of the highest volcanoes in Europe at 1,512m (4,961 ft), its crater has a diameter of 10km. Any eruption would raise fears of major flooding due to the melting of the glacier.

Its last major eruption occurred in 1918, with a smaller eruption in the 1950s. Historically, it tends to erupt every 40-80 years.

The second of the Angry Sisters is 1,490m Mount Hekla, Iceland's most active volcano.

In the Middle Ages it was believed to be one of the gateways to hell, or Judas's prison. An eruption in 2000 spewed columns of ash several kilometres into the sky, and caused a lava flow 7km long.

In 1973, there was an eruption near the nation's premier fishing port, Vestmannaeyjar, on the southern island of Heimaey. A mile-long fissure rapidly opened, bisecting the island. Spectacular lava fountains followed.

The lava flow continued for five months and around 400 homes close to the rift were destroyed by ash-fall, or consumed by lava flow.

But within hours of the eruption, nearly all of Heimaey's 5,300 residents were evacuated to the mainland by the island's fishing fleet.





The picture of whether Iceland's volcanic eruption is intensifying or abating remains murky, particularly since the webcam images on Friday were shrouded in cloud.
Scientists are struggling to work out if the eruption itself could continue for days, weeks or even months.
But, as Professor Jon Davidson - an earth scientist from the University of Durham - told BBC News, it was not the eruption per se that caused the problem.
"It's the fact that the prevailing winds are driving the ash plume over the UK," he explained.
And scientists in Iceland reported on Friday morning that the volcano was continuing to generate a tall plume of ash - contributing to the cloud already drifting high in the atmosphere over the UK.
So the cloud that has grounded UK flights appears to be continuing to grow. And the researchers say that could go on for several days.
Dr David Rothery, a volcanologist from the UK's Open University agrees this could happen, but suggests that it is unlikely.
Intense and explosive
"It is usual that an explosive eruption like this has its most intensive point at the start and that it gradually subsides," he told BBC News.
What scientists are trying to find out, he explained, is if the [ongoing] eruption is explosive enough to create a tall column of ash and continue feeding the plume.
It is the explosion that initially forces the ash upward - expanding gas at the eruption site generates thrust. From there, the cloud of dust and gas rises because it is warmer than the surrounding air.
So if the eruption continues to be intense and explosive, giving the ash that initial upward thrust, the plume that has been blown in UK and European airspace could continue to grow.
But according to the most recent reports from the UK Met Office and the Icelandic Met Service, ash is now being released in pulses rather than a continuous plume.

Unpredictable eruption

Professor Davidson said that there was no way to reliably predict how the Eyjafjallajokull volcano will behave.
"This eruption started on 20 March," he said. "So in a sense it's been erupting already for almost a month.
"We will be watching the seismic activity because [from that] we will be able to see the predictions in changes in the behaviour of the volcano that will herald a increase or decrease in its activity."
And currently, there appears to be far less seismic activity in Iceland than in the days running up to Wednesday's eruption. This could mean that the worst is over.
But researchers in Iceland, who have analysed the first sample of ash produced by the volcano, have found that its composition could contribute to the explosiveness of future eruptions.
"The magma is much richer in silicon than the basalt that was previously erupting in the initial stages," explained Dr Mike Burton, senior volcanologist at the Italian National Institute for Geophysics and Volcanology.
"This has two important implications. Firstly, the ash produced will be finer, with smaller particles compared with basalt."
Finer ash will rise more easily.
Secondly, he said, "the activity may well be more explosive because of the higher viscosity of the magma."
The more viscous the magma, the less easily gas flows through it. "Therefore it's easier for pressure build up to occur, leading to more violent explosions."
Through Thursday and Friday, the volcano has continued to feed an existing large plume of ash that is moving very slowly eastward at a height of about 30,000ft.
Aviation authorities cannot risk reinstating flights when this plume is within airspace, as the ash could clog jet engines and cause them to fail.
Jim Haywood, a researcher from the Met Office confirmed on Friday that he and his colleagues had detected the plume above the UK.
"It's patchy but it's certainly there, although you won't see it with the naked eye," he said.
"We are formulating some forecasts about how long this may last, but that will be very dependent on the eruption from the volcano, so we're working closely with scientists in Iceland to get the most up to date information about the eruption height and intensity."



I bet some UK/Euro companies were wishing they had a few of these right now!

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A drigble wouldn't likely be effect like a jet is.

:lmao::goodvibes
 
We've decided to fly from Switzerland to London instead of drive. Making easyjet booking now. If I fly out of Gatwick at about 16:00 on July 6 will that give me plenty of time? Don't want to miss the flight.

Also, can someone repeat private transfer recommendations from Gatwick to Dover?

Thanks for advice. I know the information is somewhere in the thread, but hard to find.

-Jen
 

We've decided to fly from Switzerland to London instead of drive. Making easyjet booking now. If I fly out of Gatwick at about 16:00 on July 6 will that give me plenty of time? Don't want to miss the flight.

Also, can someone repeat private transfer recommendations from Gatwick to Dover?

Thanks for advice. I know the information is somewhere in the thread, but hard to find.

-Jen

If 16:00 is for return and its a European flight you are fine. (Subject to the odd volcano eruption).
 
Thanks Andrew. I was in the middle of booking and have been waiting a couple extra minutes in case you could answer my question quickly and you did! You're the best.

And if there's issues with the volcano, then we all have problems. Ugh.
 
Thanks Andrew. I was in the middle of booking and have been waiting a couple extra minutes in case you could answer my question quickly and you did! You're the best.

And if there's issues with the volcano, then we all have problems. Ugh.

Cross fingers, I am not so worried re this one, hopefully it will slow down and/or wind change, the boffins say by Wednesday, but.......

Volcanologist Thor Thordarson told the BBC there may be more to come from Iceland: "We are probably in for quite a long run of eruptions from Icelandic volcanoes - a number are ready to erupt and probably will within the next few years.

"The last two times this volcano erupted it was followed by a significantly larger eruption from the neighbouring Katla volcano, which typically produces much larger eruptions, plus floods. Whether they are a coincidence or whether they have some links we don't know."



PS

For conspiracy theorists, there are aliens in our thermosphere and they do not want planes to see them! Volcano is a cover story, Send for the DOCTOR!
 
So just kinda thinking out loud here....suppose this were to happen say the 2 - 4 days prior to a Baltic sailing. I wonder if DCL would cancel/postpone the sailing? I guess it probably depends on the number of people flying trans-Atlantic. Maybe DCL would rather pospose the sailing than to pay the millions in travel insurance? I suppose if you had trip insurance thru some other company or if you didn't have trip insurance, then maybe DCL would sail anyway...even if the ship was only 1/2 full.

I heard initially that the volcano could continue to erupt "for months"...but I've not heard anyone say that recently. Perhaps they don't want to panic folks.

I think they were gonna put Al Gore on this but last I heard he is working to stop plate tectonics and doesn't have time to stop volcanos....

~Mike
 
So just kinda thinking out loud here....suppose this were to happen say the 2 - 4 days prior to a Baltic sailing. I wonder if DCL would cancel/postpone the sailing? I guess it probably depends on the number of people flying trans-Atlantic. Maybe DCL would rather postpone the sailing than to pay the millions in travel insurance? I suppose if you had trip insurance thru some other company or if you didn't have trip insurance, then maybe DCL would sail anyway...even if the ship was only 1/2 full.

I heard initially that the volcano could continue to erupt "for months"...but I've not heard anyone say that recently. Perhaps they don't want to panic folks.

I think they were gonna put Al Gore on this but last I heard he is working to stop plate tectonics and doesn't have time to stop volcanoes....

~Mike

So far no matter what they have sailed, there have been longer cruises and shorter cruises and alternative cruises than planned, and they have accepted people at ports of call who missed it.

We do not know about Mother nature and here plans, we hope and pray that this settles down and everyone has a trouble free transit to and from the cruise.

We have a few thinks happen at the same time that has caused this, we in April normally have April showers, and some storms and winds, we have blue skies, no wind and a high pressure bubble on the UK, drawing air from Iceland. Now, the volcano can still erupt, but if the winds change and blow the stuff north, we will be OK, so it is unlikely that the weather will continue on and on as it is and there Europe should be ok. Latest though is speculation the weather will be the same until at least Wednesday.

Love it!!!! Thanks for the laugh!

;)
 
Perhaps we could move 'breaking volcanic news' to a more appropriate thread.
 
Can this thread please stay on topic of planning a Baltics cruise. :thumbsup2
While the volcano is of importance for travelers safely, discussing when the last eruptions have occurred should be left for the Community Board.
 
So just kinda thinking out loud here....suppose this were to happen say the 2 - 4 days prior to a Baltic sailing. I wonder if DCL would cancel/postpone the sailing? I guess it probably depends on the number of people flying trans-Atlantic. Maybe DCL would rather pospose the sailing than to pay the millions in travel insurance? I suppose if you had trip insurance thru some other company or if you didn't have trip insurance, then maybe DCL would sail anyway...even if the ship was only 1/2 full.
I suspect that they would not cancel/postpone. I base this on my suspicion that Disney is not the actual provider of the travel insurance purchased through their website.

(I apologize to jilljill if this post is considered off-topic. I didn't see the warning until after I posted.)
 
I suspect that they would not cancel/postpone. I base this on my suspicion that Disney is not the actual provider of the travel insurance purchased through their website.

(I apologize to jilljill if this post is considered off-topic. I didn't see the warning until after I posted.)

No problem....actual worry and response related to any cruise that can be affected.
 
Can this thread please stay on topic of planning a Baltics cruise. :thumbsup2
While the volcano is of importance for travelers safely, discussing when the last eruptions have occurred should be left for the Community Board.

Over the weekend this topic seemed to be of interest to many people booking European and Baltic cruises, many are flying to London in the coming months for embarkation at Dover.

However, I respect your decision as the moderator.
 
Anyone have plans to eat in port (Oslo, Copenhagen, Berlin, Tallin, Stockholm) and heard of some good places to try?
 
We'll be dining at Cullin's Yard in Dover the night before the cruise sails. It came recommended by the B&B that I'm staying at. Hope this helps!

Not for this trip unfortunately. That looks like a fun place to try though so I'll just have to catch it on my next Baltic cruise:goodvibes

A bunch of us are in London prior to the cruise and having dinner at Porters Pub (thanks to a couple of recommendations from this Board:thumbsup2).

I was just putting together our expected sites for each of these ports (we're gonna DIY) and was wondering if anyone else had come across anything that looked good for lunch:confused3

Tallinn has some interesting restaurants (from Rick Steves book)...my family is kind of split down the middle with DH and DS16 trying almost anything and my DD13 and I being a bit more timid.

Plus I don't want to take the time to go back to the ship for lunch and do want to try some of the local food.
 
We are leaving (we hope) in 54 days for our Baltic Cruise. I like to read the updates from Andrew or anyone else from the UK. I think @ this point in time volcano updates are a pertinent subject to the thread of Cruise tips and planning.

Thanks Andrew! I know I'm always looking for yours and others updates about the volcano.
 

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