For myself (DVC owner & AP holder) and other 'been too many times to count' folks, I don't see the value in either UG or TGM; not when I have the DIS (and other on-line resources) to give me up-to-the-minute updates. I don't need the UG touring plans any more - we don't do 'commando' and if a ride is too busy, well, we'll be back again (and again ....

). And I'm pretty much past needing the "philosophy" of touring that TGM offers.