Teresa Heinz Kerry

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
I agree...and forget the double standard..if/when Hillary runs for President, I'm quite sure that if Bill says anything similar it will make big press, and Hillary will tell him to shut up and not hurt her campaign...

Has Pres. Bush's wife ever spoken at a Republican Convention? If they were so worried about her saying something so inappropriate why did she play such a large part in the show last night?

 

[cati]

whatever

 

[peachgirl]

can't you be ambitious and aggressive and not sound like a "truck driver"?

Obviously you've never been around too many "truck drivers" if you think saying shove it qualifies as truck driver talk.

Cheney's "**** you" would be a lot closer to that type of talk....

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by cati
I just think she is ugly.

Do you mean physically ugly, or ugly as a person?


Why don't we just elect the Baywatch crew, that'll work for me!

 

[Bobbles]

If Laura Bush were confronted on a daily basis, by the opposing side as Theresa Heinz is, it would be interesting to see her reactions. But she seems to be shielded quite nicely. I wonder if that is her choice or an administration's rule.
It seems that there is a definite devide between the parties when it comes to Fisrt Ladies' roles.
The Republicans seem to appreciate quiet "Mom" types, while the Democrats prefer women who are pro-active. We certainly hear more complaints from the right when a woman is active. I kind of like that!

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Bobbles
If Laura Bush were confronted on a daily basis, by the opposing side as Theresa Heinz is, it would be interesting to see her reactions. But she seems to be shielded quite nicely. I wonder if that is her choice or an administration's rule.
It seems that there is a definite devide between the parties when it comes to Fisrt Ladies' roles.
The Republicans seem to appreciate quiet "Mom" types, while the Democrats prefer women who are pro-active. We certainly hear more complaints from the right when a woman is active. I kind of like that!

You like it? Are you right, left or in between? Do you think that is behind a lot of the Hilary bashing? Just the fact that she is a strong, intelligent woman? Perhaps the right doesn't like it when women get uppidy?

I'm not trying to be argumantative, I just never understood what was behind all of the Hilary bashing.

P.S. You and I share the same day as a B-Day.

 

[bsears]

Originally posted by cati
I just think she is ugly.

What an incredibly unintelligent addition to the discussion.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Has Pres. Bush's wife ever spoken at a Republican Convention? If they were so worried about her saying something so inappropriate why did she play such a large part in the show last night?

you missed my point..I didn't say they were afraid of her saying anything wrong...

my point is, the double standard that keeps being referenced isn't there...people were offended by Chaney's comment

and when Hillary runs, if Bill says something offensive, it will also be news, but since Hillary is a strong woman I would not be surprised if she tells Bill to keep his mouth shut...

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
you missed my point..I didn't say they were afraid of her saying anything wrong...

my point is, the double standard that keeps being referenced isn't there...people were offended by Chaney's comment

and when Hillary runs, if Bill says something offensive, it will also be news, but since Hillary is a strong woman I would not be surprised if she tells Bill to keep his mouth shut...

No, I think that the double standard still exists. With all due respect, of course. What if a woman in a high postion had said bleep you? Can you imagine the uproar?

For the record, I felt that Chaney used that word in an inappropriate venue. I never mocked him for it, like people are doing to teresa. *sigh*

 

[crazyforgoofy]

From what I've heard Teresa Heinz Kerry had a confrontation with an editorial writer for a Pittsburgh newspaper owned by right-wing philanthropist and Whitewater figure Richard Mellon Scaife who had been hounding her for years. He misquoted her using the words "un American activities" and she let him have it. Richard Scaife is the charming chap who funded the pursuit of Clintons that ended with nothing in Watergate.

In an interview with CBS, Heinz Kerry spoke for herself passionately and persuasively. "I defended my rights," she said. "I defended my freedom and personally I defended my integrity, and I think any American would do that. And I would certainly applaud them for doing that and find them very weak if they didn't."

To further quote Geraldine Sealy on Salon.com:

Heinz Kerry's authenticity and originality are characteristics many Americans admire, or say they admire, in political figures. When John McCain delivers unexpected, unscripted moments, he is called a "maverick." But when Teresa Heinz Kerry speaks her mind, she is called "kooky," "bizarre," "offbeat," and a potential vote-killer for her husband. This double standard is not lost on Heinz Kerry


You can read the article in its entirety here http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/28/heinz_kerry/index.html
(you'll need to have a guest day pass.)

And, yes, Salon is a "progressive" website. But consider reading the article and then decide how biased you think it is.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
No, I think that the double standard still exists. With all due respect, of course. What if a woman in a high postion had said bleep you? Can you imagine the uproar?

For the record, I felt that Chaney used that word in an inappropriate venue. I never mocked him for it, like people are doing to teresa. *sigh*

maybe you didn't but others did,
I work with some very powerful female attorneys, they are very respected and don't feel the need to talk that way to be powerful

 

[Bobbles]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
You like it? Are you right, left or in between? Do you think that is behind a lot of the Hilary bashing? Just the fact that she is a strong, intelligent woman? Perhaps the right doesn't like it when women get uppidy?

I'm not trying to be argumantative, I just never understood what was behind all of the Hilary bashing.

P.S. You and I share the same day as a B-Day.

I like to think I am in-between but in the last 4 years I have been leaning left. I think Hillary was a fine example of a First Lady. I like First Lady's who are outspoken. Quiet one's raise no questions do they?
And Happy Belated Birthday fellow Gemini!

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
maybe you didn't but others did,
I work with some very powerful female attorneys, they are very respected and don't feel the need to talk that way to be powerful

Last one I promise:

Talk which way? The female attorney's you work with never said, "I never said that?".

Let me reiterate: No one should be saying bleep you at work.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Bobbles
I like to think I am in-between but in the last 4 years I have been leaning left. I think Hillary was a fine example of a First Lady. I like First Lady's who are outspoken. Quiet one's raise no questions do they?
And Happy Belated Birthday fellow Gemini!

Yes, good points fellow Gemini! Happy belated B-Day to you too!

 

[Paradise]

Originally posted by cati
I just think she is ugly.

If most women look like her at 65, it would make my day. She is beautiful.

If I was so lucky, I would take her any day over window dressing like Laur B.

 

[faithinkarma]

Thanks crazyforgoofy

Heinz Kerry's authenticity and originality are characteristics many Americans admire, or say they admire, in political figures. When John McCain delivers unexpected, unscripted moments, he is called a "maverick." But when Teresa Heinz Kerry speaks her mind, she is called "kooky," "bizarre," "offbeat," and a potential vote-killer for her husband. This double standard is not lost on Heinz Kerry

Almost depressing to see how this double standard is still so ingrained in this new century. Had anyone tried to tell me how little some things would change back in the 60s I would never have believed them.

 

[KarenC]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
when you're finished rolling your eyes, read your own post, no where does it say she runs the heinz family business, she merely spends the money in a positive way..{she became chairman of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies}

Managing an endowment involves maintaining and growing the capital, not just spending the money.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by danacara
I wrote this elsewhere but it probably best belongs here: It ticks me off when women say that other women should be less aggressive, less ambitious, less expressively smart than they are by nature. Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bohemian philanthropist intellectual by nature. Laura Bush is a quiet mild librarian by nature, more classically and stereotypically "feminine." Why do we vilify Kerry for not being that way? Why do we fault her for standing up for herself with some pushy reporter? If a man had told him to "shove it," wouldn't we be sitting her thinking, that reporter probably deserved it?

Don't we tell our daughters that they can achieve anything, have it all, live internationally, attract and marry men who are rich in both intellectual and physical assets, raise fantastic kids (have you all seen Chris Heinz?), become philanthropists, and speak with confidence in front of forty million people? So what is it, exactly, that we don't like about Teresa Heinz Kerry?

Women are women's worst enemies. Men never do this to each other. It makes me crazy to see it.

So Kerry is an intellectual and Laura Bush is just a librarian? Why wouldn't she be considered an intellectual too?

I have no problem with strong, confident women. It's boorish behavior, like Teresa Heinz Kerry's that I have a problem with.

Much of what I've read about her has been unflattering....like her high handed rudeness with most of the people she encounters day to day. While I have no way of knowing, first hand, if those reports are true, watching her on video tape telling a reporter to "shove it" only reinforces my negative opinion of her.

And of course I can't help but wonder if her late husband, Republican Senator John Heinz, is spinning in his grave at the thought that HIS billions are responsible for John Kerry's run for the Presidency.

For a strong female role model, I'd chose the late Barbara Olson. She was smart and very opinionated, but she offered those opinions with great deal of wit and grace.

And Dana, if you don't think men put down other men, I'd suggest you just haven't been out in the workplace long enough. They are masters at it.

 

[faithinkarma]

And of course I can't help but wonder if her late husband, Republican Senator John Heinz, is spinning in his grave at the thought that HIS billions are responsible for John Kerry's run for the Presidency.

Where do you get your information? You do realize that Kerry had to take out a loan to finance his run during the primaries because his wife BY LAW is allowed to contribute no more to his campaign than you or I could?

 

[Aristocath]

I think one thing that throws people for a loop about THK is the way she comes across and her attitude. Most Americans are used to born and bred in the USA political wives campaigning for their husbands following a certain script. We need to remember that she grew up very differently from most of us and what some percieve as "tactless" and "aloof" is simply just different. I like different, personally. I think some things are just lost in the translation, so to speak.

Cathy