Teachers... why?

stinkerbelle's mom said:
I agree, the teacher should have atleast taken the child into the hallway to find out what the problem was. :thumbsup2


She might have already known. Chances are, since he had already been to the office several times to call, then the office notified his teachers. Children making phone calls from the office is a RARE occurence, so if he did, then I bet his teachers were let in on what was going on.
 
Since we all are speculating on the circumstances and have no clue about the reasons the why the young man wanted to call, I'll toss this one out. Maybe his parents were taking him to WDW and he wanted to leave early. That would account for the reasons for the multiple calls, tears, and absence the next day.
 
MushyMushy said:
Regarding the incident with the student phone call, personally, I would have just let the office deal with it, BUT if the office had already told me "don't let this kid come down here again," what's a person to do? :confused3 How do we know that's not what happened?

I just think there is an awful lot of jumping to conclusions here.
Yep, I agree.
 
All I know is if a child (girl or boy) was that visibly upset in my classroom and I had even been told he couldn't call home, I would still have at least sent him to our guidance counselor or principal so they could deal with the child and make the judgement call.
 

I just think there is an awful lot of jumping to conclusions here.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

First leap: That the child was crying. OP says in her first post that her daughter could see the kid was practically crying or about to cry. Over the course of 9 pages, this has been interepreted as openly sobbing, wailing, crying rivers of tears of anguish.

Second leap: That the tears mean the child was truly upset, not just being manipulative. I know a few kids (including my own) that cry to make the situation seem more dramatic or to make me feel sorry for them, etc. My daughter has an amazing number of deep emotional traumas, coincidentally when it is bedtime and she does not want to go to bed.

Third leap: The teacher is some control freaking ogre who refused to let him use the phone out of cruelty or ignorance. Perhaps the teacher, who unlike us has actually met this boy, knows the score just a teeny bit better than we do.

Fourth leap: That the child's absence had anything to do with his inability to use the phone, and that if it did, this is a negative consequence. We have no idea why the child was not in school - heck maybe he was being suspended for doing something really bad, and was trying to call home before the principal did to give his side of the story! Or, maybe his parents were just as outraged as you people and are keeping him home out of protest.

Either way, the fact that he was absent the following day doesn't change my opinion that the teacher did nothing wrong.

Schools deal with hundreds of children each day, all at once. When dealing with large numbers of children, there are certain routines and policies you simply have to put in place, or there will be total chaos.

I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.
 
va32h said:
I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.
I like this quote ::yes:::teeth:
 
va32h said:
I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.

We need to make a sign with these words. :rotfl2:
 
barkley said:
i don't know what was happening with the kid in the op, but based on my experiences as a teacher, parent and long ago student :teeth: -generaly if a kid has used the office phone to call home more than once in the same day 'someone' knows what the issue is. most schools don't allow kids to use the phone without some form of explanation-and if it's a major issue that they believe the student has a pressing need to reach a parent on but for whatever reason can't-they will try to help them (most schools have forms with an emergency contact number or a message number-the school will call it and say 'x is trying to reach his mom/dad-can you get word to them to call and we will retrieve him from class').

both schools my kids have gone to had policies wherein if a student asked to call home they had to give at least a general reason (privatly) to the teacher-it could be as little as the word 'hygene' (for the girls who have had a staining accident). if the student said they were ill-they were referred to the nurse who made the decision. both schools allowed the kids one instance (in a school year) of calling for a forgotten book, assignment, gym clothes, lunch...-and when the kids called, the office person concluded the call by talking to the parent, asking if they would be bringing the item (had to drop it off at the office-where it would be delivered to the student, they did'nt get more time out of class to retrieve it)-and reminding the parent of the policy. if there was a call for any other reason, the office staff member dialed the number, identified themself and then handed over the phone to the student (first telling the parent not to hang up when done)-the student communicated the information, and then the staff member would ask the parent the disposition of the call (would they be picking the child up for some reason, did they want the child to call back, would they need to call back to speak to the child). that way the staff could be aware if there was a need for more than one call on an issue. some parents/students saw it as personaly intrusive, but it did curtail kids making unneccesary calls-or misleading a teacher into thinking the parent wanted the child to make subsequent calls about an issue.

i did'nt realize how some kids are so quick to call parents about minor issues that they believe are 'emergencies' until i supervised a unit made up largly of women with kids. we had private phone lines but if the line was busy or we were away from our desks the call flipped to voice mail that gave the unit's emergency by-pass number. i could'nt believe the number of calls people got from their kids during school hours that they honestly thought their parents would leave work to address-forgotten stuff for after school activites, did'nt like what THEY chose to wear to school that day-wanted a change of clothes, permission slips for stuff a week off (and not due back yet), were 'too upset to concentrate because x who used to be my bff did'nt sit with me on the bus' or 'my life is over-i did'nt get invited to y's party'-or my 'favorite'-"i don't like what i packed for lunch-can you go to macdonalds/applebees/olive garden :crazy: to pick up the order I ALREADY CALLED IN?". i heard women repeatedly tell their kids not to call them, tell the school not to let the kids call unless it was a REAL emergency-but some of the schools just let those kids call as much as they wanted.

as far as the op-and some people's concern that with a boy it might be a bigger issue (because of the tears), i don't nesc. buy into that-some boys have figured out that's great manipulative tool-i've encountered 3 boys at dd's school in the last few years who were very quick to 'turn on the tears' when things did'nt go their way (they learned getting hostile got them in trouble-tears got them 'time to calm down-regroup'-also got them pegged by the girls as 'sensitive/in touch with their feelings' :rolleyes: ). 1 of them used it to such an extent that his mom thought he could'nt handle separation from her-so she arranged her work schedual such that she could spend full days with him in the classroom (this was an 8th grader)-she sat at his side to encourage him while he did his work-in actuality she was doing the bulk of the work and when the school came down on it-she decided to pull him out, after a few other schools actualy kicked the kid out (when tears did'nt work he reverted back to hostility) she chose homeschooling where he only does what 'his gentle soul desires' (when he comes back for visits he openly brags to the other kids that 'turning on the tears always works' :guilty: ). we've got a couple of others that immediatly use tears when confronted with any issue-and their parents use it as an excuse for any bad behaviour ('he's an emotional boy-and he can't be responisible for his actions when he's upset like that' :sad2: ). i think some boys have finaly clued into using tears just as many girls do.

i think both parents and students need to be aware of their school's policy on using the phone, and if an issue is going on that might cause a kid to want (vs need) to call home-clue the staff in. it does'nt have to be detailed information, just an idea of what's happening. i know when i got sick my ds was realy paranoid about leaving me alone (i had a stroke while he was at school)-so we clued the school in and asked if he requested to call and check in on me he be allowed to do so, but only once per day-we knew he could'nt concentrate if his mind was elsewhere, but we did'nt want him to get into the habit of thinking the school phone was for anything but emergent needs.

Very well said.
 
miss missy said:
I am not judging anyone. And no this kid is a good kid and never has shown a sign of trouble before, thats my point.


Miss Missy I understand your concern, but how on earth do you know that this kid has never shown any sign of trouble before? All you have is what your daughter is telling you, and I'm sure she is being truthful but does she have every class with this kid? She can't possibly know how he acts all the time in school.
In my opinion you should be concerned with how your daughter is being treated by this teacher. If your daughter asks for a legitimate reason and is told no, then a warning flag should go up, because you KNOW how your daughter acts in school. But how can you really know without being there how this other kid is?
 
miss missy said:
Would a teacher NOT let a kid go to the office to call home???


I would not let a student go to the office to call home because I have been instructed not to do so.

I will allow them to use the classroom phone for emergencies such as "I lost my key" or "Soccer practice is cancelled."

If they are ill, they will be sent to the nurse and she will determine if a parent needs to be notified.

If they are having emotional problems to the point of preventing others from learning, they will be sent to the counselor who will determine the best course of action.

Other than that, they belong in the classroom.

If they choose to walk out against my instructions, then they will get a visit to the assistant principal who will determine the appropriate consequence.

These procedures are in place so that I can take care of things of an academic nature. That is the primary goal in the classroom. The needs of one child cannot supercede the needs of the many.

For what it's worth, my daughter is in middle school and brings home a daily report on the injustices of the life of a middle school girl. Girls in middle school are prone to the dramatic and are reactionary. I find that if I remain calm she calms down. If I react and get upset, it feeds her fire. You might do well to consider the source.
 
va32h said:
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

First leap: That the child was crying. OP says in her first post that her daughter could see the kid was practically crying or about to cry. Over the course of 9 pages, this has been interepreted as openly sobbing, wailing, crying rivers of tears of anguish.

Second leap: That the tears mean the child was truly upset, not just being manipulative. I know a few kids (including my own) that cry to make the situation seem more dramatic or to make me feel sorry for them, etc. My daughter has an amazing number of deep emotional traumas, coincidentally when it is bedtime and she does not want to go to bed.

Third leap: The teacher is some control freaking ogre who refused to let him use the phone out of cruelty or ignorance. Perhaps the teacher, who unlike us has actually met this boy, knows the score just a teeny bit better than we do.

Fourth leap: That the child's absence had anything to do with his inability to use the phone, and that if it did, this is a negative consequence. We have no idea why the child was not in school - heck maybe he was being suspended for doing something really bad, and was trying to call home before the principal did to give his side of the story! Or, maybe his parents were just as outraged as you people and are keeping him home out of protest.

Either way, the fact that he was absent the following day doesn't change my opinion that the teacher did nothing wrong.

Schools deal with hundreds of children each day, all at once. When dealing with large numbers of children, there are certain routines and policies you simply have to put in place, or there will be total chaos.

I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.


Omg! Best post ever in all 9 pages. Thank you for that and I couldn't agree more!
 
DisneyBlonde said:
Yes, I would. As I said my son is now a senior, he's a good kid and he's never been in trouble, in school or out. I feel confident he would not take advantage, which is why I can offer that option to him. I realize not every parent could or should do that.

But if it was proven that he had taken advantage, there would be hell to pay. And he knows that. :scared1:

Good for you.
 
Mermaid02 said:
As far as the OP.... I agree. The boy should have been able to use the phone. My guess is there was something going on in the family that he was worried about. Maybe a parent is very ill, or a grandparent. One 7th grader using the phone isn't going to cause all the 7th graders to ask the teacher to use the phone. The teacher was unreasonable.

You are assuming facts that the op cannot even provide. It is not fair to judge either side.
 
va32h said:
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

First leap: That the child was crying. OP says in her first post that her daughter could see the kid was practically crying or about to cry. Over the course of 9 pages, this has been interepreted as openly sobbing, wailing, crying rivers of tears of anguish.

Second leap: That the tears mean the child was truly upset, not just being manipulative. I know a few kids (including my own) that cry to make the situation seem more dramatic or to make me feel sorry for them, etc. My daughter has an amazing number of deep emotional traumas, coincidentally when it is bedtime and she does not want to go to bed.

Third leap: The teacher is some control freaking ogre who refused to let him use the phone out of cruelty or ignorance. Perhaps the teacher, who unlike us has actually met this boy, knows the score just a teeny bit better than we do.

Fourth leap: That the child's absence had anything to do with his inability to use the phone, and that if it did, this is a negative consequence. We have no idea why the child was not in school - heck maybe he was being suspended for doing something really bad, and was trying to call home before the principal did to give his side of the story! Or, maybe his parents were just as outraged as you people and are keeping him home out of protest.

Either way, the fact that he was absent the following day doesn't change my opinion that the teacher did nothing wrong.

Schools deal with hundreds of children each day, all at once. When dealing with large numbers of children, there are certain routines and policies you simply have to put in place, or there will be total chaos.

I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.
This is by far the most logical post I have read in this thread.

The responses from some other folks scare me as far as what the future will hold if our children are coddled as much as some of you imply they are, are told to disregard rules they don't agree with and so on.

I can only recall my 21 year old nephew, who wanted to call his parents while they were in Italy, where by the way it would have been 3:00AM, because he needed their credit card # to pay for some sort of registration for some sort of special program he had to be involved in at college. He was calling me to ask me the phone # of their hotel, because he knew I had their itinerary. I told him I would not give him thier hotel phone # as he had no need to call them at 3:00AM in Italy and if he did call them at 3:00AM in Italy they would both have a heart attack thinking something terrible had happened. Of course, that brought the tearful voice breaking the big sigh and so on, before I even got the chance to tell him that I would give him my CC # so he could pay for his registration adn would settle up with his parents when they got home.

So do I believe that kids sometimes have bad judgement and place more importance on things that they should? Yes I do. Does that make them bad kids, no it doeasn't, but some kids do need some guidance as to what is considered an emergencya nd what is not. Do I also believe that there are bad teachers. Yes I do, but I don't believe that there are as many bad teachers as the rest of you DISers seem to think there are.

I always remember my next-door neighbor teacher telling me that she sends a note home to parents on the first day of every school year which says "If you don't believe everything your child tells you about me, then I won't believe everything your child tells me about you".

My neighbor is very wise.
 
Boston Tea Party said:
I would not let a student go to the office to call home because I have been instructed not to do so.

I will allow them to use the classroom phone for emergencies such as "I lost my key" or "Soccer practice is cancelled."

If they are ill, they will be sent to the nurse and she will determine if a parent needs to be notified.

If they are having emotional problems to the point of preventing others from learning, they will be sent to the counselor who will determine the best course of action.

Other than that, they belong in the classroom.

If they choose to walk out against my instructions, then they will get a visit to the assistant principal who will determine the appropriate consequence.

These procedures are in place so that I can take care of things of an academic nature. That is the primary goal in the classroom. The needs of one child cannot supercede the needs of the many.

For what it's worth, my daughter is in middle school and brings home a daily report on the injustices of the life of a middle school girl. Girls in middle school are prone to the dramatic and are reactionary. I find that if I remain calm she calms down. If I react and get upset, it feeds her fire. You might do well to consider the source.

Well we do not know what the problem was with this particular boy or why the teacher said no. I asked a question, why? It is MY oppinion that he should of been able to either explain in private or be sent to the office or guidence. I have the right to MY oppinion.

You jump to conclusions when you assume my daughter was upset about it. She wasn't!! I was!! I raised the question, she didn't. She wasn't upset about it and still isn't.
 
va32h said:
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

First leap: That the child was crying. OP says in her first post that her daughter could see the kid was practically crying or about to cry. Over the course of 9 pages, this has been interepreted as openly sobbing, wailing, crying rivers of tears of anguish.

Second leap: That the tears mean the child was truly upset, not just being manipulative. I know a few kids (including my own) that cry to make the situation seem more dramatic or to make me feel sorry for them, etc. My daughter has an amazing number of deep emotional traumas, coincidentally when it is bedtime and she does not want to go to bed.

Third leap: The teacher is some control freaking ogre who refused to let him use the phone out of cruelty or ignorance. Perhaps the teacher, who unlike us has actually met this boy, knows the score just a teeny bit better than we do.

Fourth leap: That the child's absence had anything to do with his inability to use the phone, and that if it did, this is a negative consequence. We have no idea why the child was not in school - heck maybe he was being suspended for doing something really bad, and was trying to call home before the principal did to give his side of the story! Or, maybe his parents were just as outraged as you people and are keeping him home out of protest.

Either way, the fact that he was absent the following day doesn't change my opinion that the teacher did nothing wrong.

Schools deal with hundreds of children each day, all at once. When dealing with large numbers of children, there are certain routines and policies you simply have to put in place, or there will be total chaos.

I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.

Another winner people! :thumbsup2 I've just read through all the posts and I couldn't put it any better than this one.
 
va32h said:
I realize that YOUR CHILD is THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH and it is OUTRAGE and INJUSTICE that they cannot do whatever they want, whenever they want. But when they are in a public setting, they will sometimes be forced to comply with the rules and wishes of other people.

This is life. Get used to it. Get them used it.
:rotfl: Only on the DIS can someone say that, in certain rare situations, a parent has told a child that they should contact them when necessary, and let the parents deal with the adults, and have that equated with that parent thinking THEIR CHILD IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHILD EVER TO WALK THE EARTH WHO SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, ALWAYS! :rotfl:

Please tell me you don't do jury duty.
 
Is this the first thread you have ever read about parents discussing their children?

Every parent thinks their child is the most important one to ever walk the earth.

They also think that rules are important...for other children.
 
miss missy said:
You jump to conclusions when you assume my daughter was upset about it. She wasn't!! I was!! I raised the question, she didn't. She wasn't upset about it and still isn't.


So it wasn't a big deal to the other seventh graders.
 


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