Is he talking about here in the U.S., Dawn?
I really don't like the sounds of this thing - not at all..
Yes, the USA.
Swine Flu News
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Yes, the USA.
AlexWyattMommy
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What else does he hear Dawn?
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Yep
I do this every Fall just in case. Some years it's not needed and some it is. Thanks for summing it all up.You are still making a big leap that the data doesn't support.
I thought that I was clear. I'll try again.
It's likely that they were misdiagnosed, either then or now.
That is awesome advice, regardless of which flu is likely to hit.
I will add this:
Take a look at your on-hand medicines and check the 'use by' dates. My wife and I reorganized our supply closet last week end and were shocked at how many of our meds were out of date. We threw many away that had never even had the seals broken. Then we ran by the drugstore to replace what we felt that we really needed on hand.
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Let me try to explain it to you. Here's an example. If the Southern Hemisphere ends up with 500 deaths during this flu season, it is logical to assume that we will have a much larger number of deaths, since we have 90% of the population and they only have 10%. I'm not saying that our percentage of deaths will be higher, only that our numbers will be higher. Really not a bog leap at all-it's logical.
Why do you think that the people who got swine flu twice were misdiagnosed? It happened a lot in 1918, and now we have several cases of it happening here.
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Great advice!!! Luckily I tend to "stockpile" just a little bit because we live in an isolated area (Hawaii) and it's hurricane season,etc so we already had supplies. HELPED SO MUCH! I had fever reducers, soups, lysol, clorox wipes,etc already on hand and it's been very helpful as DH had duty the day we all got really sick (because I got it too) and I was stuck home alone for 36 hrs w/a 2 mo old, 6 yr old and very sick 8 yr old, plus I was also down for the count.
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She started vomiting after the first dose of Tamiflu but since yesterday hasn't vomited. She was running a fever of 104 plus other symptoms and was very lethargic. This is my "healthy" kid too. Never gets sick!
I also have Influenza A but they didn't give me Tamiflu even though I have asthma. The PA mentioned that it only improves symptoms about 5 hrs earlier than without the meds and I'm nursing and the safety of Tamiflu while nursing isn't well known.
Good news is we both feel better. DH got checked, he was negative and he has our son at the peds now getting checked. (he was running a fever this morning) Best news is so far my 2 mo old is fine. Fingers crossed!!!
I'll try again.
Without knowing how many people die each year in the southern hemisphere due to the flu, it's impossible to tell whether 500 deaths this flu season would suggest that there will be a large increase in deaths in the northern hemisphere Also, raw population numbers have little to do with it.
Imagine this hypothetical scenario. Let's say that in an average year, 450 people die from the flu in the southern hemisphere and 45,000 people die from it in the northern hemisphere. If this year 500 people in the southern hemisphere die from it, we could expect that maybe 50,000 people in the northern hemisphere would. If 1000 people in the south normally die, we might expect that only 22,500 in the north would die. However, we cannot forecast using this year's southern death totals without knowing the previous years' totals. Total population is unnecessary (and unuseful) for this type of forecasting.
Because many of the people who believe that they had swine flu early on in Mexico were not actually tested for it. Even currently in the US, many people are being diagnosed based solely on reported symptoms rather than testing.
Without being absolutely certain that the individuals in question were tested each time to verify that they did indeed have the flu and that it was an identical strain, I prefer the much more logical hypothesis that there was a misdiagnosis.
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So glad you are on the mend and your little one has shown no signs of it. I am glad to know that you have done well with your asthma. I have asthma as well, so I am glad to hear of someone with asthma who has handled this flu well. I hope you are all feeling completely well very soon!
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My doc said we DO have immunity , perhaps even more than the vaccine may be able to provide IF in fact the shot is effective. According to him the chances of getting a relapse are slim to none , but like everything in life , there's no guarantees of that.
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Getting in infection does not mean you will not get whatever the microbe is a second time. The purpose of our immunity is to keep around memory cells. When we are infected with something the first time a good deal of time is required for our bodies to fully prepare itself for defense. First our bodies need to recognize the infection, then figure out how to kill it. Next our bodies parade the successful cells around presenting the protein code of the infection to other white blood cells like a 'wanted poster'. Next our bodies gear up an onslaught of cells just like the successful ones to kill off the infection.
This entire episode is effective but can take weeks, usually 2 which is why Dr's tell us to give it 10-14 days before calling them back. All the while our bodies are gearing up for battle the microbe is pressing its advantage and making more of itself. Sometimes, it even overwhelms us and we desperatly need help in the form of medical intervention, hence the 'call me if you get worse'. from the Dr.
Once our bodies survive an infection, any infection, we retain memory cells in our lymph nodes. These cells still retain all the info they need to launch an attack, but they are steps ahead of the original process so they are both expeditious and precise. In order to activate these cells all our cells need to do is tap them with that wanted poster and they are off and fighting, but THIS process takes days as opposed to weeks. As a result the second infection is generally shorter because our bodies are fighting less germs by volume and are better prepared.
This is the mechanism upon which vaccines are based. When our bodies are exposed to weakened or dead microbe in a vaccine our bodies simply see an invader and run through the process. The general malaise is caused by our bodies putting all its energy into an attack even though what they are attacking isn't really a threat. The point is to have those left over memory cells.
Sometimes similar microbes are thought to have similar protein coats. This would mean one germ's wanted poster would look like another and as a result our bodies would be able to get a jump start on all similar infections. Dr's used to think this happened a lot, but as virology evolved the recognized this isn't always the way it goes. This is where a germs ability to shift into different strains comes into effect. A new strain may mean a new protein coat and then the germ looks like a whole new thing and all our effort at immunity is pointless and we have to start all over again from step one.
So yes, we can get an infection more then once. If you are healthy, the 2nd time around should be better, no guarantees though. However yes, even if you have the same exact germ as before from either vaccine or primary infection you could still get extremely sick if your system is immuno-compromised because the defense response is probably flawed.
In my kids' cases their Asthma has already rendered their lungs weaker than other peoples. As a result, it takes far less stress to create a life threatening situation for them as opposed to other people.
I do not think it would be wise to make any assumptions about our ability to fight off any infection.
This entire episode is effective but can take weeks, usually 2 which is why Dr's tell us to give it 10-14 days before calling them back. All the while our bodies are gearing up for battle the microbe is pressing its advantage and making more of itself. Sometimes, it even overwhelms us and we desperatly need help in the form of medical intervention, hence the 'call me if you get worse'. from the Dr.
Once our bodies survive an infection, any infection, we retain memory cells in our lymph nodes. These cells still retain all the info they need to launch an attack, but they are steps ahead of the original process so they are both expeditious and precise. In order to activate these cells all our cells need to do is tap them with that wanted poster and they are off and fighting, but THIS process takes days as opposed to weeks. As a result the second infection is generally shorter because our bodies are fighting less germs by volume and are better prepared.
This is the mechanism upon which vaccines are based. When our bodies are exposed to weakened or dead microbe in a vaccine our bodies simply see an invader and run through the process. The general malaise is caused by our bodies putting all its energy into an attack even though what they are attacking isn't really a threat. The point is to have those left over memory cells.
Sometimes similar microbes are thought to have similar protein coats. This would mean one germ's wanted poster would look like another and as a result our bodies would be able to get a jump start on all similar infections. Dr's used to think this happened a lot, but as virology evolved the recognized this isn't always the way it goes. This is where a germs ability to shift into different strains comes into effect. A new strain may mean a new protein coat and then the germ looks like a whole new thing and all our effort at immunity is pointless and we have to start all over again from step one.
So yes, we can get an infection more then once. If you are healthy, the 2nd time around should be better, no guarantees though. However yes, even if you have the same exact germ as before from either vaccine or primary infection you could still get extremely sick if your system is immuno-compromised because the defense response is probably flawed.
In my kids' cases their Asthma has already rendered their lungs weaker than other peoples. As a result, it takes far less stress to create a life threatening situation for them as opposed to other people.
I do not think it would be wise to make any assumptions about our ability to fight off any infection.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html
Here is a link to an article about the swine flu vaccine, it's very interesting.
Here is a link to an article about the swine flu vaccine, it's very interesting.
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I just saw this on several of my news sites. Well, at least they are on the watch for it, but it's a shame that it's the children that will be on the frontlines of this new vaccine.
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I am deleting this post because I totally misread the article, and I suspect I am not the only person who did. Check out the title vs paragraph 14. Grrr, I dislike being mislead.
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I read the article.
It talks about the 25 Americans who died from the 1976 vaccine.
No where in the article did it say this new vaccine is like that vaccine other than the "swine" name.
I could not find in the article if the current seasonal vaccines cause the rare G-B syndrome.
As to whether or not this new pandemic vaccine is closer to the old 1976 or the newer seasonal, nobody is saying.
I do think that somebody needs to start talking. Is this vaccine closer to the old 1976 or does it use all the same components of the seasonal vaccine?
It talks about the 25 Americans who died from the 1976 vaccine.
No where in the article did it say this new vaccine is like that vaccine other than the "swine" name.
I could not find in the article if the current seasonal vaccines cause the rare G-B syndrome.
As to whether or not this new pandemic vaccine is closer to the old 1976 or the newer seasonal, nobody is saying.
I do think that somebody needs to start talking. Is this vaccine closer to the old 1976 or does it use all the same components of the seasonal vaccine?
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I don't think they are expecting these problems, but because there were problems in 76, they want to be on the lookout and recognize potential problems quickly. It sounds to me like they are just being proactive. I did think, however, that including the story about the lady with GBS just heightens fears. She didn't get GBS from a vaccine.
Also, notice the doctor said that for a person who is high-risk, the risk of dying from swine flu is greater than the risk of complications from a vaccine. Those who are not high risk may decide to opt out, but with asthma, I will probably be vaccinated.
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Whoa, I just reread that and you are correct. The 25 deaths were from 1976 and are not recent even though the title alluded to a 'current' concern. That is a nasty bit of work, very misleading.
They have been rolling this out on people already so there is already a test group out there. This is why I was accepting of the news, if 25 had died among the 2,ooo or so recent subjects then THAT would be news. But the fact an alert was sent out today based upon 25 yer old findings is not newsworthy.
Truth is, back then we didn't even use disposable hypodermic needles. I remember when they'd get dipped in a disinfectant bath back before HIV. Who knows what the cause of infection could have been back then, maybe the needles were infected with something else?
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N.Y.C. Funeral Directors meeting
Boro prepares for falls swine flu cases
By Anna Gustafson
Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
City officials are bracing for a surge of swine flu cases this fall and funeral home directors need to be prepared to accommodate a possible related 50,000 to 85,000 deaths, the director of the Metropolitan Funeral Directors Association told a gathering of funeral home representatives in Forest Hills last week.
As funeral directors, we really need to know what were about to face, Martin Kasdan said. When swine flu comes back, it could possibly be devastating.
About 15 officials from area funeral homes attended the meeting sponsored by the MetFDA at Schwartz Brothers in Forest Hills Aug. 6. The MetFDA is holding four meetings in the city and one in Westchester this month to better prepare funeral homes for a possible increase in deaths as well as a rise in the number of sick and absent employees.
MetFDA officials said they were also relaying information from the meetings to city agencies, including the city Health Department and the medical examiners office, with which they have been working in preparation for a potential second wave of swine flu.
Swine flu, otherwise known as H1N1, first hit the city in May in a group of St. Francis Preparatory students in Fresh Meadows. The outbreak occurred after the students had arrived home from a trip to Mexico, where the World Health Organization said the global pandemic originated.
As of July, more than 900 New Yorkers had been hospitalized with H1N1 and 47 had died, including two Queens residents, according to city statistics.
Flushing resident Mitchell Wiener, an assistant principal at IS 238 in Hollis, became the citys first swine flu casualty May 17. A second unnamed woman from Queens died from swine flu May 24, according to the city.
City residents continue to come down with H1N1, but the numbers have continually decreased since the spike of cases in May, health officials said.
The Health Department monitors influenza-like illnesses every day in New York City, said city Health Commissioner Thomas Farley. While every hospitalization is concerning and every death is a tragedy, our surveillance data indicate that the number of people newly infected is declining.
The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, which translates into an additional 52,000 to 86,000 deaths in the city over a three-month period, Kasdan said.
Its mind-boggling, Kasdan said of the possible death rate. Is the CDC right? Who knows hopefully not. But you need to be prepared.
The potential upswing in fatalities poses a wide array of questions for city officials and funeral directors, such as where to store bodies, how to hold funerals in a climate where swine flu is passed easily from person to person and how many extra supplies will be needed.
You may have to wait for funerals because the family is sick or until the cemetery says theyre able to do the burial, Kasdan said. You might have to store bodies longer.
Kasdan said the city medical examiner is already looking into possibly using vacant city buildings to store bodies, and the city has contracted for a unit to be built in Germany that will handle hundreds of bodies.
Boro prepares for falls swine flu cases
By Anna Gustafson
Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
City officials are bracing for a surge of swine flu cases this fall and funeral home directors need to be prepared to accommodate a possible related 50,000 to 85,000 deaths, the director of the Metropolitan Funeral Directors Association told a gathering of funeral home representatives in Forest Hills last week.
As funeral directors, we really need to know what were about to face, Martin Kasdan said. When swine flu comes back, it could possibly be devastating.
About 15 officials from area funeral homes attended the meeting sponsored by the MetFDA at Schwartz Brothers in Forest Hills Aug. 6. The MetFDA is holding four meetings in the city and one in Westchester this month to better prepare funeral homes for a possible increase in deaths as well as a rise in the number of sick and absent employees.
MetFDA officials said they were also relaying information from the meetings to city agencies, including the city Health Department and the medical examiners office, with which they have been working in preparation for a potential second wave of swine flu.
Swine flu, otherwise known as H1N1, first hit the city in May in a group of St. Francis Preparatory students in Fresh Meadows. The outbreak occurred after the students had arrived home from a trip to Mexico, where the World Health Organization said the global pandemic originated.
As of July, more than 900 New Yorkers had been hospitalized with H1N1 and 47 had died, including two Queens residents, according to city statistics.
Flushing resident Mitchell Wiener, an assistant principal at IS 238 in Hollis, became the citys first swine flu casualty May 17. A second unnamed woman from Queens died from swine flu May 24, according to the city.
City residents continue to come down with H1N1, but the numbers have continually decreased since the spike of cases in May, health officials said.
The Health Department monitors influenza-like illnesses every day in New York City, said city Health Commissioner Thomas Farley. While every hospitalization is concerning and every death is a tragedy, our surveillance data indicate that the number of people newly infected is declining.
The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, which translates into an additional 52,000 to 86,000 deaths in the city over a three-month period, Kasdan said.
Its mind-boggling, Kasdan said of the possible death rate. Is the CDC right? Who knows hopefully not. But you need to be prepared.
The potential upswing in fatalities poses a wide array of questions for city officials and funeral directors, such as where to store bodies, how to hold funerals in a climate where swine flu is passed easily from person to person and how many extra supplies will be needed.
You may have to wait for funerals because the family is sick or until the cemetery says theyre able to do the burial, Kasdan said. You might have to store bodies longer.
Kasdan said the city medical examiner is already looking into possibly using vacant city buildings to store bodies, and the city has contracted for a unit to be built in Germany that will handle hundreds of bodies.
Well, that's comforting.
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