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August 1: Complacency Bolsters A Pandemic
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source: The influenza A (H1N1) pandemic is now unstoppable. The world missed its chance, and containment is no longer a possibility. Efforts to contain the outbreak were impeded by the consistent downplaying of the extent and immediacy of the threat. Those influential “voices of reason” that restrained the World Health Organization from issuing stronger, earlier warnings also lulled governments into complacency.

Yet even as the virus spreads to every corner of the world and the realization of its seriousness sinks in, those same voices are dampening the sense of urgency necessary to mount an effective response.

Most of all, the threat is being obscured by the misleading statement that only a few will develop serious symptoms and die. It is true that only a small fraction of those infected are likely to die; the global fatality rate is currently 0.45 percent, or four or five in a thousand. But what happens once the number of those infected rises into the millions? The fatality rate may remain low, but the number of fatalities will no longer be few.

Just how severe is the threat? Recently, Britain’s chief medical officer reported that modeling studies indicated that up to 65,000 people in that country could die. Projected globally, this worst-case estimate suggests the potential for 6.5 million deaths. Except that Britain’s current fatality rate, as well as the higher rate that yielded the 65,000 figure, are both lower than the average global rate right now.

To calculate the potential fatalities worldwide, one must estimate the number of people likely to become infected (the clinical attack rate) and the percentage among them likely to die (the fatality rate). So far, the observed attack rate has been 30 percent, meaning one in three who are exposed to the virus becomes infected. This suggests that more than 2 billion people are likely to be infected through successive waves of the pandemic over the next few months. Based on the observed global fatality rate of 0.45 to 0.5 percent, between 9 million and 10 million could die.

This global fatality rate, however, reflects current conditions. Some favorable factors may have kept the numbers down to date.

First, the virus initially appeared in mostly developed, Northern Hemisphere countries experiencing summer conditions. As the pandemic has spread to the Southern Hemisphere, we are seeing cases such as Argentina, where the fatality rate is five times higher, around 2.5 percent.

Second, at this stage, health systems have had to cope with relatively low numbers of patients, though in many cases they have still been overwhelmed. As the trickle turns into a flood, the capacity of these systems to identify those most at risk and to provide the best treatments may diminish. Again, the experience in the countries most affected so far shows that not only the number of fatalities but also the fatality rate increases with the number of cases.

No doubt the development of a vaccine will greatly help to reduce infections. While it will not reduce the fatality rate — a vaccine is a preventive measure, not a treatment — it should reduce fatalities. A vaccine is expected to be ready by September, after accelerated clinical trials. Given current production capacities, it will take a few more months before it is available in sufficient quantities.

But one must also remember that we will be engaged in a race to produce and distribute a vaccine before the virus mutates into a more virulent form (with a higher fatality rate) or a subtype that the vaccine is ineffective against. Influenza’s high rate of mutation is the reason the vaccine against the seasonal flu has to be produced annually. By the time the second wave of the influenza A pandemic hits next year, the vaccine developed this year may be ineffective. This is why it is crucial to monitor the virus by taking regular samples in different regions.

In all these considerations, we have not even touched on the impact of medical costs, absenteeism and the disruption of economic activities in the midst of a global downturn.

To mitigate the effects of the pandemic, we must understand that influenza’s threat does not necessarily result from its severity but its ease of contagion, its rapid spread and its high rate of mutation. It is crucial to accurately measure the threat. While the likely severity of the pandemic may continue to be debated, this flu strain has spread further in six weeks than previous ones have in six months.

The velocity of the spread is a measure of the quality of the containment measures that were or, more often, were not put in place. Even with the low virulence of the pandemic strain, the severity of the outbreak has varied significantly in affected countries, with the determining factor being the level of medical preparedness and the strength of those countries’ health systems.

Efforts to play down the threat are predicated on the idea that one must avoid creating panic. That reveals a condescending view of the public as a mindless mob prone to irrational behavior. A well-explained, sober and objective assessment does not generate panic, especially if it lays the groundwork for preparedness and is accompanied by clear guidelines for the public, medical authorities, front-line responders, health personnel and employers. What creates panic is watching unexpected developments — like the sudden appearance and rapid spread of the virus in a community, accompanied by a spike in fatalities — when all the public had experienced previously were attempts to lull it into complacency.

As World Health Organization Director General Margaret Chan said in a speech on July 2 in Mexico, “Between the extremes of panic and complacency lies the solid ground of vigilance.” Too many in government insist on lingering on the ground of complacency until they are pushed into panic by their lack of preparedness. How many deaths will it take to shake them into timely, thoughtful, targeted and coordinated action?
 
www.trancy.net
August 1: Complacency Bolsters A Pandemic
Automatically added to News @ August 1st, 2009

source: The influenza A (H1N1) pandemic is now unstoppable. The world missed its chance, and containment is no longer a possibility. Efforts to contain the outbreak were impeded by the consistent downplaying of the extent and immediacy of the threat. Those influential “voices of reason” that restrained the World Health Organization from issuing stronger, earlier warnings also lulled governments into complacency.


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Efforts to play down the threat are predicated on the idea that one must avoid creating panic. That reveals a condescending view of the public as a mindless mob prone to irrational behavior. A well-explained, sober and objective assessment does not generate panic, especially if it lays the groundwork for preparedness and is accompanied by clear guidelines for the public, medical authorities, front-line responders, health personnel and employers. What creates panic is watching unexpected developments — like the sudden appearance and rapid spread of the virus in a community, accompanied by a spike in fatalities — when all the public had experienced previously were attempts to lull it into complacency.

As World Health Organization Director General Margaret Chan said in a speech on July 2 in Mexico, “Between the extremes of panic and complacency lies the solid ground of vigilance.” Too many in government insist on lingering on the ground of complacency until they are pushed into panic by their lack of preparedness. How many deaths will it take to shake them into timely, thoughtful, targeted and coordinated action?

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I don't want to play this game anymore.. I want to play something else..
 
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Not getting a "warm, fuzzy feeling here".. My DD and her family are up here right now.. DD just drove over to the nearest pharmacy looking for some kind of medication.. She woke up this morning with a bad sore throat, headache, and general "unwell" feeling.. Until reading this thread again, it didn't dawn on me that there's a "possibility" that she's coming down with the flu (hopefullly a very REMOTE possibility) and I'm sure it didn't dawn on her either - so it looks like I may have to ban the whole crew from coming in here..:sad2: DGD has been in and out of here both yesterday and today - giving me hugs and kisses - and for some reason I encouraged her to kiss me on the cheek - instead of the lips.. Not sure why that popped into my head, because it was before my DD wasn't feeling well.. :confused3 Luckily I haven't been exposed to DD at all yet.. They arrived very late Friday night - left early for a birthday party across the lake yesterday morning (attended by over 100 adults and children) - and never got back until 2:00 a.m..

I don't want to play this game anymore.. I want to play something else..:sad2:

ugh, hope it's not swine and she feels better quicky!
 
Any word on your dd? Hope she's feeling better, but I will say her symptoms seem to match may people's experiences with swine flu. I'm sure they also match other things like strep too though.

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Not getting a "warm, fuzzy feeling here".. My DD and her family are up here right now.. DD just drove over to the nearest pharmacy looking for some kind of medication.. She woke up this morning with a bad sore throat, headache, and general "unwell" feeling.. Until reading this thread again, it didn't dawn on me that there's a "possibility" that she's coming down with the flu (hopefullly a very REMOTE possibility) and I'm sure it didn't dawn on her either - so it looks like I may have to ban the whole crew from coming in here..:sad2: DGD has been in and out of here both yesterday and today - giving me hugs and kisses - and for some reason I encouraged her to kiss me on the cheek - instead of the lips.. Not sure why that popped into my head, because it was before my DD wasn't feeling well.. :confused3 Luckily I haven't been exposed to DD at all yet.. They arrived very late Friday night - left early for a birthday party across the lake yesterday morning (attended by over 100 adults and children) - and never got back until 2:00 a.m..

I don't want to play this game anymore.. I want to play something else..:sad2:
 

Im assuming that most people on the swine flu thread are believers and take it seriously.

How is it affecting your potentional trips to Disney?

My family has a 2 week trip late Dec into Jan and I cant stop thinking about it. I am seriously thinking of cancelling with the possibility of this flu raging this fall and winter.

I have alot of anxiety about catching it flying, so I then thought 'maybe we could drive'........ and not do parks, just some R&R

( as just the thoughts of not going to Disney makes me sad )
 
Im assuming that most people on the swine flu thread are believers and take it seriously.

How is it affecting your potentional trips to Disney?

My family has a 2 week trip late Dec into Jan and I cant stop thinking about it. I am seriously thinking of cancelling with the possibility of this flu raging this fall and winter.

I have alot of anxiety about catching it flying, so I then thought 'maybe we could drive'........ and not do parks, just some R&R

( as just the thoughts of not going to Disney makes me sad )

If you booked a package, don't cancel until you absolutely have to before you lose money.If you don't have a package, you have until 5 days before you leave. The flu may not turn out to be as big a deal as some expect.
Not flying is a good idea if the flu is around. Driving will also save you money.
 
ugh, hope it's not swine and she feels better quicky!

Any word on your dd? Hope she's feeling better, but I will say her symptoms seem to match may people's experiences with swine flu. I'm sure they also match other things like strep too though.

I've never had strep, so I wouldn't know it if it bit me in the face..
 
Im assuming that most people on the swine flu thread are believers and take it seriously.

How is it affecting your potentional trips to Disney?

My family has a 2 week trip late Dec into Jan and I cant stop thinking about it. I am seriously thinking of cancelling with the possibility of this flu raging this fall and winter.

I have alot of anxiety about catching it flying, so I then thought 'maybe we could drive'........ and not do parks, just some R&R

( as just the thoughts of not going to Disney makes me sad )

I think most of us are going to go about our lives as usual. They expect this virus to be around for anywhere from 2-4 years-we can't stop living and we have no idea which way this virus is going to go. It could get milder, it could get more virulent. No one knows-anyone who claims to is just guessing.

I suppose you could see how it's shaping up in the fall and into winter-if it looks bad, cancel.
 
Well - DD couldn't get hardly any sleep last night.. Had to sleep propped up on 3 pillows.. Today I have a sore throat as well - and feel kind of sick to my stomach.. :sad2: I've never had strep, so I wouldn't know it if it bit me in the face..

DD has been staying away from me, but my DGD had been in and out of my place - as well as my DD's DH - and "things" have been brought into my place that DD has handled.. I'm hoping it's just a routine sore throat.. If not, how long would it be until it hit us like a ton of bricks? :confused3

Have to admit I'm a "tad" concerned now..

You might want to go in for a strep test tomorrow, if it's not strep, maybe they'll test you for influenza, considering your health issues. Strep can have so many weird symptoms-fever, body aches, rash, headache, sore throat. My kids rarely get a sore throat with strep. Wait until tomorrow because sometimes it won't show up if you go too soon. Hope you are all feeling better soon and can enjoy your visit-keep us posted though.
 
We have an extended family cruise planned for Christmas. We were all together yesterday for a BBQ and a few family members want to cancel or find a different type of vacation. Apparently they don't want to be confined to a ship with LOTS of other people in close proximity. I hadn't thought about it before yesterday. Interestingly, the ones that want to change/cancel are in the medical field. I'm hoping we can find a trip that we're all comfortable taking together. Maybe a deserted Island! I guess we wait and see.
 
You might want to go in for a strep test tomorrow, if it's not strep, maybe they'll test you for influenza, considering your health issues. Strep can have so many weird symptoms-fever, body aches, rash, headache, sore throat. My kids rarely get a sore throat with strep. Wait until tomorrow because sometimes it won't show up if you go too soon. Hope you are all feeling better soon and can enjoy your visit-keep us posted though.

My doctor is still out of the country right now - and I refuse to see any of the other doctors in that office.. (Long story..) When my doctor returns, it will be to a new office..:thumbsup2 My health insurance won't cover Urgent Care Centers - it's the ER or nothing - and seeings how the ER is a hot bed of germs, I think I'll just wait and see if things get any worse..

I'll be sure to keep you updated..:)


We have an extended family cruise planned for Christmas. We were all together yesterday for a BBQ and a few family members want to cancel or find a different type of vacation. Apparently they don't want to be confined to a ship with LOTS of other people in close proximity. I hadn't thought about it before yesterday. Interestingly, the ones that want to change/cancel are in the medical field. I'm hoping we can find a trip that we're all comfortable taking together. Maybe a deserted Island! I guess we wait and see.

Every year you hear of flu/virus outbreaks on cruise ships, so that could be what they're thinking.. If this thing comes back in full force, I don't think you'll see a lot of people taking cruises or flying (with the recirculated air), so driving vacations might be on the rise..
 
Im assuming that most people on the swine flu thread are believers and take it seriously.

How is it affecting your potentional trips to Disney?

My family has a 2 week trip late Dec into Jan and I cant stop thinking about it. I am seriously thinking of cancelling with the possibility of this flu raging this fall and winter.

I have alot of anxiety about catching it flying, so I then thought 'maybe we could drive'........ and not do parks, just some R&R

( as just the thoughts of not going to Disney makes me sad )

We are planning a trip in December. I feel that by that time, we'll have a better idea of how this will all play out. Hopefully, my family will have been vaccinated by that point as well (3 out of 4 of us are in groups considered high risk, so we will get the shot as soon as it is available). We'll see how Sept/Oct/Nov go. If significant problems develop in the fall months, we'll cancel. Even if we were within a couple of weeks of the trip, I wouldn't think a thing about losing the $200 deposit if I felt our health was on the line. I am actually kind of glad we're not going until December because I think we'll have a better idea of what's happening.
 
Hi everyone,

It looks my 14 year old son has Swine Flu, he came home from a church mission trip sick and when I took him he tested postive for Influenza A and they sent off a sample to the health dept to see if its Swine. He started this off last week (tuesday) with vomitting and diahrea and had that again last night, plus now he's got a cough, sore throat and fever. I am totally freaking out, my 12 year old is now feeling well, we were supposed to leave for Chicago tomorrow to see my brother but that of course is put on hold indefinitely. I just wish I had know he was sick at camp. They didn't call me, some of the kids were sick with the upper respiratory stuff, some were sick with stomach stuff and nobody thought the two might be related. So he was sleeping, working, eating and hanging out 24/7 with all these kids, some of whom were obviously ill.

So we are staying home and away from people until we are well.

My doctor prescribed tamiflu for all four of us, hopefully that will keep the rest of us from getting too ill, but as I said, my dd is now sick and starting to feel bad (doctor said not to bring her in).

The doctor said they are all worried about what will happen in a few weeks when school stars, she said they've had a lot of calls the last two weeks from families whose kids are returning from camps and how much its affecting teens. Very scary.

C Ann: I hope you feel better soon.
 
Hi everyone,

It looks my 14 year old son has Swine Flu, he came home from a church mission trip sick and when I took him he tested postive for Influenza A and they sent off a sample to the health dept to see if its Swine. He started this off last week (tuesday) with vomitting and diahrea and had that again last night, plus now he's got a cough, sore throat and fever. I am totally freaking out, my 12 year old is now feeling well, we were supposed to leave for Chicago tomorrow to see my brother but that of course is put on hold indefinitely. I just wish I had know he was sick at camp. They didn't call me, some of the kids were sick with the upper respiratory stuff, some were sick with stomach stuff and nobody thought the two might be related. So he was sleeping, working, eating and hanging out 24/7 with all these kids, some of whom were obviously ill.

So we are staying home and away from people until we are well.

My doctor prescribed tamiflu for all four of us, hopefully that will keep the rest of us from getting too ill, but as I said, my dd is now sick and starting to feel bad (doctor said not to bring her in).

The doctor said they are all worried about what will happen in a few weeks when school stars, she said they've had a lot of calls the last two weeks from families whose kids are returning from camps and how much its affecting teens. Very scary.

C Ann: I hope you feel better soon.

I am so sorry you are going through this. I hope your son and daughter will be well quickly and that no one else gets sick!
 
Well - DD couldn't get hardly any sleep last night.. Had to sleep propped up on 3 pillows.. Today I have a sore throat as well - and feel kind of sick to my stomach.. :sad2: I've never had strep, so I wouldn't know it if it bit me in the face..

DD has been staying away from me, but my DGD had been in and out of my place - as well as my DD's DH - and "things" have been brought into my place that DD has handled.. I'm hoping it's just a routine sore throat.. If not, how long would it be until it hit us like a ton of bricks? :confused3

Have to admit I'm a "tad" concerned now..

I doubt this is the flu. The thing with the flu is that it usually hits you like a ton of bricks right off the bat. One minute your fine and the next you feel like dying! I have literally had the flu before where I felt fine when I got to work in the morning and by the time I left 8 hrs later I wanted to die. There are alot of viruses out there that give you the same symptoms as the flu they just don't usually hit you as hard and as fast.

As far as people canceling trips I can see maybe why you wouldn't want to fly but unless you intend to keep yourself and your family out of school, church, and walmart this fall and winter I really don't see the point in canceling your trip.
 
I doubt this is the flu. The thing with the flu is that it usually hits you like a ton of bricks right off the bat. One minute your fine and the next you feel like dying! I have literally had the flu before where I felt fine when I got to work in the morning and by the time I left 8 hrs later I wanted to die. There are alot of viruses out there that give you the same symptoms as the flu they just don't usually hit you as hard and as fast.
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Good! Nothing would make me happier..:yay::yay: DD isn't feeling any better - I walked down to their travel trailer and talked to her through the door - and I have a wicked headache now - but I'm hoping we're both just dealing with allergies or something..

I'm a terrible patient.. I don't have time to be bothered with such nonsense.. LOL..:rotfl:
 
Good! Nothing would make me happier..:yay::yay: DD isn't feeling any better - I walked down to their travel trailer and talked to her through the door - and I have a wicked headache now - but I'm hoping we're both just dealing with allergies or something..

I'm a terrible patient.. I don't have time to be bothered with such nonsense.. LOL..:rotfl:

I just knew my dd had the flu a few weeks ago. She went to a friend's house for a sleepover one night and was fine but when I picked her up the next morning she felt bad and by the time we got home(10 min drive) she was crying. She had a really bad headache, stomachache, fever, chills, cough, nasuea .I mean the works. A few dyas later I took her to the ER because she seemed to be getting worse. When she got there her heart rate was double the normal so they started her on an Iv. At that point they probably thought she had the swine flu because all the docs and nurses were now wearing face masks. Turns out she did not have the flu just a yucky old virus that had dehydrated her bad enough to raise her heart rate but I was just positive she had the flu.

I occasionally read this thread but I probably need to stop. All I tend to do is worry for no reason. I have talked to my kids about the importance of proper hand washing, I have them carry hand sanitizer everywhere and we are taking our vitamins and taking in more vitamin C. There's really nothing more that we can do so I guess whatever happens happens and there is no use getting all woked up about it!
 
I am so sorry you are going through this. I hope your son and daughter will be well quickly and that no one else gets sick!

Thank you so much. I have to say, I am extremely nervous. I so wish somebody at the church mission trip would have called me. Some of the kids like mine had vomitting, the runs, and weakness. Others had the more typical flu like symptoms and were unable to get out of bed. I mean you had kids from churchs all over the west and midwest, sleeping in this old church, coughing all over each other. My own son had to vomit in a hallway because he was too far from the bathroom and too weak to get there. Nobody callled me! This was last Tuesday evening. I picked my son up Saturday night and was told he had eaten some bad Mexican food. Honestly, had we not been leaving to go to a family reunion tomorrow, I might not have taken him to the doctor. At first she told me it was viral. But when I told her that he had been on this mission trip, sleeping in a room with a bunch of kids, several of whom were very ill, she changed her tune quickly and swabbed him.

The nurse told me if he's postive for A, he's got swine flu.

My daughters pediatrician's office made me feel like an idiot for having us all take the tamiflu my son's doctor presribed for us. To hell with her, we're taking it. She told me if I had taken my son to their practice, they woudln't have bothered to test him. Guess I am glad I didn't take him there!

At this point, I am going with what my family practice says. My dd still goes to our pediatrician and they just seemed to poo poo the whole thing. The family practice took this very seriously.

I am just still floored that nobody called to tell me my kid was that sick and that they sent him out to do mission work at a daycare center no less.

His best friend was on the trip, has a fever of 101 but tested negative for flu with the rapid test swab thing. I need to call that mom and say that test can give a false negative.
 
How are you all doing over there C Ann? Hopefully you're having a better day!

amy & Dan-I HATE how doctors often try to make you look foolish for having a thought or a bit of information. One of our peds tried to tell me that ds#2 couldn't have swine flu because his stomach didn't hurt and he didn't have a high fever, just a low one. I reminded him that ds#1 who had a confirmed case didn't have either of those things either. I think they kind of count on our ignorance so they can make us go away more easily.

I think peds are especially poo-pooing the whole swine flu thing because they are the ones who are inundated with anxious parents. ds' friend has a ped mom. Her dh told me they are totally downplaying the whole thing there-it's all media hype.
 
How are you all doing over there C Ann? Hopefully you're having a better day!
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Sorry.. I got caught up in reading a book this afternoon and forgot to check in.. I feel great today..:thumbsup2 DD still feels terrible.. :( So - she's just staying down in their travel trailer here at the lake, trying not to expose me to whatever she has.. DGD has been popping in and out all day.. I realize she could be carrying some sort of germs, but there is NO WAY I'm going to discourage her from visiting "Grandma"..:lovestruc:lovestruc
 












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