Swim wear dress code for community pool?

[sam_gordon]

I think it all depends on your HOA, the powers of your HOA, and the responsibilities of your HOA.

I would never buy into one that is responsible to upkeep any part of my house structure. I would buy one (and did) which has to upkeep common grounds and roads - private snow removal and road upkeep is WAY faster and better than the public version here.

I would not buy into one with an unwatched pool. I would buy into one with a pool company managed, life guard watched pool with summer potlucks and pool parties for only $300/year. I did that, too.

I would not buy into one that allows unfettered annual increases to my fee. I would buy one (and did) that links the max increase to the CPI.

Like others said, what matters is read those docs and know what they do and can't do. And if the HOA starts going off the rails, be ready to serve on the board yourself.

This. Our HOA (and we've been in the home for almost 20 years) takes care of maintenance for the common areas, including street lights. They also keep up with general appearances (can't let lawns get out of control, outbuilding exterior need to be similar to the homes, etc. No long term on street parking.

I've got nothing to prove it, but I'm guessing 90%+ of HOAs across the country are simple and have no controversy. It's a small number of them that make the news and give "HOA" a bad connotation.

 

[kdonnel]

This. Our HOA (and we've been in the home for almost 20 years) takes care of maintenance for the common areas, including street lights. They also keep up with general appearances (can't let lawns get out of control, outbuilding exterior need to be similar to the homes, etc. No long term on street parking.

I've got nothing to prove it, but I'm guessing 90%+ of HOAs across the country are simple and have no controversy. It's a small number of them that make the news and give "HOA" a bad connotation.

No one who has had a good or neutral experience bothers to tell anyone.

The only people you hear talking about HOAs are the few that have had a bad experience not the 10's of millions of people without issue.

 

[cobright]

OK, what's the point of blurring the faces/body? … If you ARE going to blur enough to block identification, why have the cameras at all?

Now, you CAN easily limit who has access to see the cameras live, see the recorded footage, and download video.

You maybe missed the point. The blurred camera is the one who’s feed is available for member review. Mainly so they can point out the blur that’s committing the infraction they witnessed in person when making a complaint. At that point the security agency or the facility manager or whomever is designated as responsible can view the clear footage taken by the other cameras.

People don’t like the idea of being recorded while in bathing suits, and much less so if any T, D, and H can come along and view it. Much better to tightly control access to any clear footage. Best is to have a fairly short lifespan for any recordings; 7 or 14 days.

 

[sam_gordon]

You maybe missed the point. The blurred camera is the one who’s feed is available for member review. Mainly so they can point out the blur that’s committing the infraction they witnessed in person when making a complaint. At that point the security agency or the facility manager or whomever is designated as responsible can view the clear footage taken by the other cameras.

People don’t like the idea of being recorded while in bathing suits, and much less so if any T, D, and H can come along and view it. Much better to tightly control access to any clear footage. Best is to have a fairly short lifespan for any recordings; 7 or 14 days.

Why give everyone access to the recordings to begin with? If there's an incident that gets reported/needs investigated, the facility manager/responsible person is informed and they look at the footage. If you control access to the footage to begin with, there's no need to blur anything. And the petroleum jelly on the lens trick does nothing except make the footage worthless.

 

[LovesTimone]

OP here,

We went to the pool on Saturday our first time this year.. and or course everyone was talking about the up coming meeting...

In talking about it with other residents, I felt most people are most concerned about the after hours swimming, dealing with safety, and the extra cost to clean up things like broken glass, or damage that an after-hours party can cause. Broken glass on the deck as well if it gets into the pool itself is a huge mess, and very costly to clean up, even going as far as draining the pool, to make sure its safe...

The swimwear is going to the hardest to deal with, I was talking to one of the board members, she said that they are looking at other properties to kinda see what works, and how the rules are posted, and how to deal with the violations.. She did say that motion lights will be installed this week... That was already in the works and planned since last year

For me, it's about the kids in the pool, safety first, and not exposing them to a bunch of bare body parts...

 

[MillauFr]

The swimwear is going to the hardest to deal with, I was talking to one of the board members, she said that they are looking at other properties to kinda see what works, and how the rules are posted, and how to deal with the violations.. She did say that motion lights will be installed this week... That was already in the works and planned since last year

Just make sure the rules are the same for everyone. It gets to be a legal problem when you have different rules for different groups.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Broken glass on the deck as well if it gets into the pool itself is a huge mess, and very costly to clean up, even going as far as draining the pool, to make sure its safe...

At least in our neighborhood any time there is glass they drain the pool and then they have to retreat the pool chemically once it is filled. You can chemically treat the pool if say suntan oil gets in it (a prohibited item in our pool) but glass you can't just put a rover in there and call it good so draining is always what they do when glass gets in. It's a big reason why they stress don't bring it because it takes the pool out of commission for 1-2 days. As they remind us it costs a lot of money from the reserves to do this due to the process and then having to refill the pool up.

To my knowledge the last time our neighborhood had to do this was in 2019.

The swimwear is going to the hardest to deal with,

Address the topless but IMO leave the exact attire worn as generic as possible. It becomes less of a battle. Do y'all really want homeowners scrutinizing just how much butt cheek is shown and reporting that? And imagine getting a fine or warning for showing 1/2 an inch too much. I'd be like skirt lengths in schools measuring, etc.

 

[RedAngie]

About 100 years ago flappers violated prevailing social norms and were sometimes arrested.

 

[MillauFr]

About 100 years ago flappers violated prevailing social norms and were sometimes arrested.

Of course only women were cited.

 

[RedAngie]

Perhaps men were cited for indecent exposure too. Actor Bob Hope challenging the dress code during the early 1930s.



This may have been a staged publicity photo.

 

[cobright]

Why give everyone access to the recordings to begin with? If there's an incident that gets reported/needs investigated, the facility manager/responsible person is informed and they look at the footage. If you control access to the footage to begin with, there's no need to blur anything. And the petroleum jelly on the lens trick does nothing except make the footage worthless.

We’re talking about a private pool amenity and if there’s a chance at all that a homeowner or their children, in swimsuits, is going to end up on failarmy or cctv footage of teens in skimpy suits ends up on a pervo site the home owners will opt to not have the cameras at all. And that makes policing bad behavior all but impossible without hiring someone to sit there and keep watch.

Go watch failarmy sometimes and you’ll see cases of ppl recording a cctv review monitor with their cellphones.

The one camera set up out of focus, or blurred, allows a complainant to point out to the facility manager, definitively, “that’s the guy who was yelling racial slurs at my dog” (or whatever). At which point the manager can pul up that angle and time stamp from a different camera in order to identify the homeowner. At no point is clear video footage made available to anyone who wouldn’t lose their job if it was mishandled.

 

[cobright]

We’re talking about a private pool amenity and if there’s a chance at all that a homeowner or their children, in swimsuits, is going to end up on failarmy or cctv footage of teens in skimpy suits ends up on a pervo site the home owners will opt to not have the cameras at all. And that makes policing bad behavior all but impossible without hiring someone to sit there and keep watch.

Go watch failarmy sometimes and you’ll see cases of ppl recording a cctv review monitor with their cellphones.

The one camera set up out of focus, or blurred, allows a complainant to point out to the facility manager, definitively, “that’s the guy who was yelling racial slurs at my dog” (or whatever). At which point the manager can pul up that angle and time stamp from a different camera in order to identify the homeowner. At no point is clear video footage made available to anyone who wouldn’t lose their job if it was mishandled.

Think about it like this, do you know why TSA style scanners aren’t more common than security bag checks?

Just think about WDW before they installed the Evolv walk thru scanners. The TSA rotational scanner could take care of each guest even if they were holding a bag in a few seconds.

It’s not the expense. Proof of that is the Evolv walk through scanners that cost 4x as much. It’s not the exposure to mmWave X-rays, the walk thru scanner does that too.

It’s because the TSA scanner produces a high resolution picture of every person scanned minus their clothes. If the actual image needs to be reviewed, the machine produces an image with modesty bars for the report but the actual high resolution nude image is still available in there to someone with root access.

We tolerate that potential violation of our privacy (and the actual scandals that have come to light) because the trade off in airplane safety is worth it. But just to get into a theme park? Nah, we get human bag checks and metal detectors.

That is until someone takes the human review out of the equation. The walk thru scanners never produce an image of the person being scanned and the threat assessment is not decided by a human reviewer, but by an AI.

People will decide to do without the surveillance altogether if getting the cameras pushes the risk to their privacy past a certain point.

 

[Alicefan]

Who would enforce a dress code -- the HOA police?

There is never a shortage, let me assure you. lol

 

[Alicefan]

OMG I love this guy ^ so much!

 

[sam_gordon]

We’re talking about a private pool amenity and if there’s a chance at all that a homeowner or their children, in swimsuits, is going to end up on failarmy or cctv footage of teens in skimpy suits ends up on a pervo site the home owners will opt to not have the cameras at all. And that makes policing bad behavior all but impossible without hiring someone to sit there and keep watch.

Go watch failarmy sometimes and you’ll see cases of ppl recording a cctv review monitor with their cellphones.

The one camera set up out of focus, or blurred, allows a complainant to point out to the facility manager, definitively, “that’s the guy who was yelling racial slurs at my dog” (or whatever). At which point the manager can pul up that angle and time stamp from a different camera in order to identify the homeowner. At no point is clear video footage made available to anyone who wouldn’t lose their job if it was mishandled.

I think you're WAY overthinking this.
1) The people who have access to the security footage should be limited. I *HIGHLY* doubt anyone is looking at the footage "live".
2) There needs to be a procedure in place that if "John" reports some issue, and someone (a board member?) decides whether an investigation is needed. That investigation may/may not include looking at video footage. I would expect any verbal altercation would NOT be one that you go to the cameras for.
3) Presumably if "James" even has some reason to show "John" the footage (I still don't understand that part), James would notice John using his cell phone camera to record the footage.

And, let's not forget that if you are somewhere in public, with no expectation of privacy (and a community pool, even if "private" would be included), then you take the chance someone might video you or take pictures of you.

 

[TheIncredibles!]

Our unofficial community rule is to cover your B's ...Bits, bobs, boobs and butts We all try very hard to follow that.

 

[kdonnel]

I think you're WAY overthinking this.
1) The people who have access to the security footage should be limited. I *HIGHLY* doubt anyone is looking at the footage "live".
2) There needs to be a procedure in place that if "John" reports some issue, and someone (a board member?) decides whether an investigation is needed. That investigation may/may not include looking at video footage. I would expect any verbal altercation would NOT be one that you go to the cameras for.
3) Presumably if "James" even has some reason to show "John" the footage (I still don't understand that part), James would notice John using his cell phone camera to record the footage.

And, let's not forget that if you are somewhere in public, with no expectation of privacy (and a community pool, even if "private" would be included), then you take the chance someone might video you or take pictures of you.

I think you are underthinking!

Based on the prior pool exploits listed by the OP, it seems to me like the neighborhood is missing out on a revenue opportunity.

I don't see why they don't live stream the cameras Big Brother: After Dark style.

 

[MillauFr]

And, let's not forget that if you are somewhere in public, with no expectation of privacy (and a community pool, even if "private" would be included), then you take the chance someone might video you or take pictures of you.

This is what I don't get? Why not just have all of the footage live streamed? As long as they notify everyone that is what is going on what is the problem?

 

[MillauFr]

Our unofficial community rule is to cover your B's ...Bits, bobs, boobs and butts We all try very hard to follow that.

Really men aren't allowed topless?

 

[MillauFr]

I don't see why they don't live stream the cameras Big Brother: After Dark style.

Agreed. Why don't they do that? The amount of skin shown at the pool would change.