Swim wear dress code for community pool?

[MillauFr]

Excellent point. A rule that can't be enforced isn't a rule.

You mean like speeding on the freeway?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

others feel a monetary fine would be better deterrent to curb this behavior...

With a monetary fine you need to have clear established rules not only of what infractions incur what monetary fine but also a fine schedule such that will late fees or anything like that be charged and enforcement of those fines.

Here if you don't pay your fine they can put a lien on the property. Will your HOA be willing to do that? What will be the ultimate consequence for not paying the fine? If someone can just not pay it the fine will not act like a deterrent.

In general it seems to work in our neighborhood that some things are given out as warnings/notifications but a fine not levied. But they can and will fine you and they will have the clout to put a lien on the property. We had a neighbor last fall that took to our social networking site used for the neighborhood about getting a warning about parking his kid's cars (2 of them) on common HOA grounds instead of parking on the street or his driveway. He decided to be nasty about it but the Property Management company had said in a nutshell "hey we just did a warning no fines were given out" you'd think the homeowner would have been understanding that he got away without a fine but nope he apparently feels like he can just park the car in grass in the middle of suburbia.

But let's be honest only an entitled jerk (and I do mean entitled) would think this was acceptable:

That's his photo by the way, the one he posted in his rant about getting a warning.



For that reason some things are just easier to cut off access than put a fine out there.

 

[TwoMisfits]

Op here,

I'm sure there will some type of vote... on swimwear... and what is going to be considered family friendly...

Except on the safety items, no glass in pool or pool deck, no afterhours swimming this is a safety issue, we have camera's so that's how they knew who was in there after hours...

So in just discussing it with some neighbors some people think suspending them from pool use will curb this, others feel a monetary fine would be better deterrent to curb this behavior... or maybe both... so this will come up to a vote...

For me this is a pet peeve, I get really aggravated when other residents just get up and leave their trash laying about, for the next resident to have to clean up before we can use a table, or even a lounger...We have several trash cans inside the pool deck, as well on the outside of the clubhouse, and gym... I can't understand why they just can't take the trash and just simply throw it away...

I have an HOA pool. We have a list of rules and no issues, but we pay to have a pool company run the pool and staff it with lifeguards for the summer season (and then winterize it afterwards).

If you won't have an enforcement mechanism, nothing will change, no matter what people vote for.

 

[tvguy]

With a monetary fine you need to have clear established rules not only of what infractions incur what monetary fine but also a fine schedule such that will late fees or anything like that be charged and enforcement of those fines.

Here if you don't pay your fine they can put a lien on the property. Will your HOA be willing to do that? What will be the ultimate consequence for not paying the fine? If someone can just not pay it the fine will not act like a deterrent.

Well, not always.
A former co-worker bought in an area with an HOA. He got hit with a $250 (published) fine for HOA dues being paid late. Problem was, the due date for the dues was before he bought the unit. It was owed by the previous owner and was paid.......late......by the Title Company during escrow. He went to the HOA board meeting to point this out. He was hit with a $1,000 fine (unpublished) for disputing the fine. The fine was levied by the Treasurer of the HOA. The Treasurer is the owner of the property management company the HOA uses and does not live in the community. Oh, and the fines go to the Property management company!!!!!!! He consulted a lawyer who told him he was right, but that it would take over a year to work it's way through the courts to prove that, and that it would cost $5,000 to $10,000 in legal fees. Lawyers advice, pay the fines, and move on, and move out. He did both. HOAs can be evil and corrupt.

 

[kdonnel]

HOAs can be evil and corrupt.

Like everything in life there are always exceptions.

The vast majority of HOAs are not evil, not corrupt.

As a whole people like to focus on the exceptions making them appear more common.

 

[tvguy]

Like everything in life there are always exceptions.

The vast majority of HOAs are not evil, not corrupt.

As a whole people like to focus on the exceptions making them appear more common.

Wonder why there are so many lawyers that specialize in HOA disputes then? LOL.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, not always.

About what?

Wonder why there are so many lawyers that specialize in HOA disputes then? LOL.

Same reason why there's so many lawyers that specialize in all sorts of things. The OP lives in an HOA neighborhood, why debate the merits of HOAs as if she's going to move out? At least from the discussion she's not asking if HOAs are good just advice for what to think of when going over the pool stuff.

 

[tvguy]

About what?


Same reason why there's so many lawyers that specialize in all sorts of things. The OP lives in an HOA neighborhood, why debate the merits of HOAs as if she's going to move out? At least from the discussion she's not asking if HOAs are good just advice for what to think of when going over the pool stuff.

To the first point, you said there are established rules. Not always.

To the second point. This is a discussion board and that is discussion.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

To the second point. This is a discussion board and that is discussion.

I'm all for tangents but if you quote me with an unrelated topic to what my quote is about or what I had been talking about I then probably will ask..sorry discuss why.

There have been plenty of threads about the pros and cons to HOAs.

To the first point, you said there are established rules. Not always.

No I didn't.

With a monetary fine you need to have clear established rules not only of what infractions incur what monetary fine but also a fine schedule such that will late fees or anything like that be charged and enforcement of those fines.

I didn't say all HOAs in the U.S. have established rules, I said "with a monetary fine you need to have clear established rules..." because some of the residents pertaining to this pool topic in the OP's neighborhood wanted a fine.



I'm off to work out, catch ya later

 

[Mysterian]

I got a email from the HOA, about a meeting to discuss the issue and concerns about inappropriate swim wear and behavior at the community pool.. and come up with family friendly swim wear dress code and code of conducts while at the pool...

I know last year we did have some issues with a group of high school girls laying out topless, then complained to the HOA when the lawn guys where standing around gawking at them... as well then DH and I were at the pool when 2 neighbors got into a disagreement that almost ended in blows, The one mans daughters are about in the 10 to 12 year old range, and the swimsuits they had on were something that in my opinion (which means nothing)looked like swimwear for older girls like something you would see on the beach during a college spring break, both of their bare bottoms were hanging out, they were playing with some of the other kids, and the other 2 dads watching their younger kids in the shallow end, when the dad of the two girls accused them of staring, and it went sideways from there...

I asked my neighbor what all this was about, she said that another neighbor told her that apparently we have had some more topless sun bathing, along with a pool party after hours that involved a group of young men skinny dipping, and they left a huge mess, along with broken glass which is a whole set of problems in itself ( the pool rules state no glass along with pool hours) ... Then to top that off with the HOA person finding someone passed on in a lounge chair last week... so we have had alot of people in the pool after hours, and the mess that they leave behind is again another issue... then the whole what is swimwear that is appropriate.... Sooo all this and it's not summer yet, and with the kids getting out of school soon...

Our pool close's at dark, which I really see no problem in... Its a matter of safety... while the gate locks, people were using the gym to get into the pool area, those doors can not be lock do to fire safety... so how are we suppose to deal with that...yes we have camera's

As far as the ladies that are the topless sunbather's...first I think we need to look at what the law is and go from there...

thoughts or any suggestions...

Yes I have some thoughts, and I tend to find that I always have suggestions:

Before the mods move this post to the Porky's thread, I'd say you have a typical 80's teen comedy going on. Try to get some comic relief in there to balance out the bare flesh, but don't overdo it on the fart jokes. This will score better with audiences. Add at least one subplot about a nerdy guy who winds up with a nice girl. Meanwhile, I'm sending Gary Busey out there to help keep the momentum going, so please restock the coolers and hide any antique furniture and objects that emit flashing lights. I may also be able to get you an orangutan, but if unavailable, Artie Lange is on standby to assist.

 

[mefordis]

I bet the bathing suits that the younger girls were wearing were the newer style that don't come down past the butt cheeks. I noticed this a couple of summers ago at a pool community and just thought they needed to pull the bottoms down but then realized that it was the newest style. Going to be hard to ban that style of suit.

You're correct. And if my girls tried to wear them their dad would make them go right back in and change. What's wrong with those dads that they'd let their 12 yr old kids wear those -- they are basically thongs.

 

[tvguy]

I'm all for tangents but if you quote me with an unrelated topic to what my quote is about or what I had been talking about I then probably will ask..sorry discuss why.

There have been plenty of threads about the pros and cons to HOAs.

No I didn't.


I didn't say all HOAs in the U.S. have established rules, I said "with a monetary fine you need to have clear established rules..." because some of the residents pertaining to this pool topic in the OP's neighborhood wanted a fine.



I'm off to work out, catch ya later

It's a thread, what you consider a tangent is discussion. An online discussion is no different that the discussion with your neighbor in your driveway. It starts at one place, and may end somewhere entirely different. Thus the name "thread" because is weaves all over.

Regarding established rules. You said it, I just quoted it.

I know you are just yanking my chain but get real. Happy Friday.

 

[MillauFr]

There have been plenty of threads about the pros and cons to HOAs.

I'm with TV Guy on this thread. How can there be any pros to an HOA? Sure they have rules but people are going to flat out ignore them and then your fees are going towards legal fees. What a waste of money.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It's a thread, what you consider a tangent is discussion. An online discussion is no different that the discussion with your neighbor in your driveway. It starts at one place, and may end somewhere entirely different. Thus the name "thread" because is weaves all over.

Regarding established rules. You said it, I just quoted it.

I know you are just yanking my chain but get real. Happy Friday.

Yeah done with my workout obviously.

I never said what you think I said.

What I said was if the OP's HOA is going to consider making an infraction a monetary fine they need to have established rules surrounding it. You clearly didn't read that correctly, but that's not my problem

Until the next time my friend!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm with TV Guy on this thread. How can there be any pros to an HOA? Sure they have rules but people are going to flat out ignore them and then your fees are going towards legal fees. What a waste of money.

I mean it's neither here nor there, OP is in an HOA. If you want to suggest the OP move out of one by all means do so.

 

[tvguy]

I never said what you think I said.

What I said was if the OP's HOA is going to consider making an infraction a monetary fine they need to have established rules surrounding it. You clearly didn't read that correctly, but that's not my problem

Until the next time my friend!

And that is what I quoted.

 

[tvguy]

I mean it's neither here nor there, OP is in an HOA. If you want to suggest the OP move out of one by all means do so.

The bigger picture is you really need to do your homework when buying a property with an HOA. Really study the HOA and not just the rules, the HOW the boards have been acting.
I had a little experience with that when my daughter was house shopping because many of the entry level properties were condos and those tend to all have HOAs.
She found a very nice place at her price point, and was willing to bite the bullet on the HOA fees which when combined with the house payment were more than she wanted to spend. Her Realtor did some investigating and found out the articles of incorporation stated that $50 a month of the HOA fees were supposed to go into an escrow account to replace the roofs when the time came. Complex was 30 years old and it was time for new roofs. Guess what? 30 years of Boards had voted to defer putting the money into the roof escrow account and spent it elsewehre. There was nothing in the account, so the current board voted to assess each homeowner $15,000 for new roofs. There were probably dozens of different people on the board over 30 years, and all of them ignored the rules. So on paper, all was good, but in reality the unregulated board didn't follow the rules. That seems to be the most common issue with HOAs.

 

[MillauFr]

I mean it's neither here nor there, OP is in an HOA. If you want to suggest the OP move out of one by all means do so.

I'm just shocked anyone would subject themselves to live in a HOA with little Napoleons ruling the roost. Our brave grandfathers gave their blood fighting against the Nazis to preserve our freedoms. Shocked how easily people give it away.

 

[mjkacmom]

We don’t have HOA’s here, but there are a lot of rules. No overnight parking, no commercial vehicles, boats or rv’s in driveways, permits/variance’s for everything, no front fencing, permits for tree removal, no sheds on property lines, snow must be removed from sidewalks in a timely matter, strict pool laws, I don’t mind for the most part, everything looks nice.

 

[TwoMisfits]

I think it all depends on your HOA, the powers of your HOA, and the responsibilities of your HOA.

I would never buy into one that is responsible to upkeep any part of my house structure. I would buy one (and did) which has to upkeep common grounds and roads - private snow removal and road upkeep is WAY faster and better than the public version here.

I would not buy into one with an unwatched pool. I would buy into one with a pool company managed, life guard watched pool with summer potlucks and pool parties for only $300/year. I did that, too.

I would not buy into one that allows unfettered annual increases to my fee. I would buy one (and did) that links the max increase to the CPI.

Like others said, what matters is read those docs and know what they do and can't do. And if the HOA starts going off the rails, be ready to serve on the board yourself.