Sunshine Protection Act

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Silly question, but what does this mean as far as tv show schedules? Since they have always switched with DST, will the shows be on earlier part of the year? Confused.

Shows are broadcast at a certain time.

If they are broadcast at 9pm "Eastern," then those not on Eastern time, figure out when the show is on. For me, I am in Central, so I subtract an hour. In Florida, they will do what they need to, to figure out when to watch.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I am so excited. I get winter blues and hate sitting here right now at 7PM with it dark outside. I am gonna love the Sunshine protection Act!!!!

Any others?

Don't hold your breath on this one. A state may choose to observe or not observe daylight savings time on the dates set by the federal government. It can't run daylight savings time all year, nor can it change time zones unless the feds say they can. Florida's law does nothing unless the feds act as well.

 

[sam_gordon]

Didn’t say they can’t but there is a cost in updating every computer and software package to ensure it works with Florida’s new rules.

It is not just computers in the US.

But there are computers on different times around the world. Why would Florida being on a different time make a difference?

 

[kdonnel]

But there are computers on different times around the world. Why would Florida being on a different time make a difference?

Banks, Airlines, Cruiselines, Cell Phone providers, telephone providers, etc all calculate various things based on local time. They need to know what specific rules an area follows to make correct calculations and set proper schedules.

The tables used to make these calculations will need to be updated on all computers that work with data concerning Florida. Hundreds of thousands of those computers won’t be located in Florida but they will need to be updated.

Even if not used for calculations, the tables are needed to display the correct local time.

It’s not just standalone computers. The last major change to when daylight savings time started and ended broke a lot of standalone devices that had clocks. For example I owned an older TiVo. It still worked for what I used it for but was no longer supported and did not get an update for the changes. As a result for several weeks at each change the clock was off by an hour. There was no way to manually set the clock to the correct time.

It is something the industry knows how to change, but there is still a cost associated with the work.

 

[RedAngie]

And I love the name. Do people really think that "sunshine" needs protected?

Dintcha hear?? Sunshine has been under attack in Florida for several years now. Elected officials need to save it from utter desecration.

Why should the war on Christmas get all the attention?

 

[Elle23]

I am against this. It would shave a whole hour off my Disney vacations.

 

[indimom]

Indiana had its own special time for ages (didn't do daylight savings time) Computers can handle it.

You're right. I lived in the part of Indiana that did not change... it's manageable either way. But computers don't always handle it. (I'll explain that later).
I had to look to see when we finally changed: From 1970 until 2006, most of Indiana in the Eastern Time Zone did not observe daylight saving time.

IIRC, it wasn't even the entire state (is that still the case today?).

I recall having a conversation with someone we worked with that was located in Indiana - trying to explain to them DST was a nightmare.

They must have been in an area that didn't have cross-over. I lived on the border with Ohio, so we had daily interaction with people in both time 'zones' and learned pretty quickly how to manage both times. You just had to be careful and clarify what time you were talking about.

I never really cared one way or another.

My one (I believe) VALID complaint about time change revolved around working night shift at a hospital. We document and time stamp everything we do. The nights of time change make the job complicated... IV Antibiotics are time driven, and you can't be off by more than 15 minutes, narcotics are time sensitive as well, it got hectic making sure everything stayed 'on time'. And our computer system did not adjust the times meds were due for you. You had to do that manually, and then explain to the system why you were overriding a med and giving it early (which it is not designed to do) OR stare at that red warning box for an hour because you are giving a time-sensitive med "late" when you really just lost an hour on the clock. I'm sure there are better systems which would account for this, but ours did not.

But, worse than making sure the meds were on time, was trying to document WHEN the patient actually got them on the night we fell back and GAINED an hour. I had to make sure that the documentation was clear when I essentially had an hour that "repeated" itself. It was 2AM for two hours. So, did I give that narcotic or antibiotic during the first 2o'clock hour or the second 2o'clock hour? Because that matters... And I have to be able to time the next dose correctly.

And you have to get all that done and correct even in the middle of an already hectic and crazy job...

 

[ZephyrHawk]

As a member of the health lawyers community, I came to this thread wondering why Dissers were talking about the Sunshine Act. Now I'm leaving thinking Florida should, if nothing else, reconsider the name for their proposed law....

 

[kdonnel]

You're right. I lived in the part of Indiana that did not change... it's manageable either way. But computers don't always handle it. (I'll explain that later).
I had to look to see when we finally changed: From 1970 until 2006, most of Indiana in the Eastern Time Zone did not observe daylight saving time.

They must have been in an area that didn't have cross-over. I lived on the border with Ohio, so we had daily interaction with people in both time 'zones' and learned pretty quickly how to manage both times. You just had to be careful and clarify what time you were talking about.

I never really cared one way or another.

My one (I believe) VALID complaint about time change revolved around working night shift at a hospital. We document and time stamp everything we do. The nights of time change make the job complicated... IV Antibiotics are time driven, and you can't be off by more than 15 minutes, narcotics are time sensitive as well, it got hectic making sure everything stayed 'on time'. And our computer system did not adjust the times meds were due for you. You had to do that manually, and then explain to the system why you were overriding a med and giving it early (which it is not designed to do) OR stare at that red warning box for an hour because you are giving a time-sensitive med "late" when you really just lost an hour on the clock. I'm sure there are better systems which would account for this, but ours did not.

But, worse than making sure the meds were on time, was trying to document WHEN the patient actually got them on the night we fell back and GAINED an hour. I had to make sure that the documentation was clear when I essentially had an hour that "repeated" itself. It was 2AM for two hours. So, did I give that narcotic or antibiotic during the first 2o'clock hour or the second 2o'clock hour? Because that matters... And I have to be able to time the next dose correctly.

And you have to get all that done and correct even in the middle of an already hectic and crazy job...

As a software developer I stand by my original post, time math is hard!

I support old legacy code. My goal is to never make a change if i have to because the ripple effect is surprising and scary. If implemented, this will require a change.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

You're right. I lived in the part of Indiana that did not change... it's manageable either way. But computers don't always handle it. (I'll explain that later).
I had to look to see when we finally changed: From 1970 until 2006, most of Indiana in the Eastern Time Zone did not observe daylight saving time.

They must have been in an area that didn't have cross-over. I lived on the border with Ohio, so we had daily interaction with people in both time 'zones' and learned pretty quickly how to manage both times. You just had to be careful and clarify what time you were talking about.

I never really cared one way or another.

My one (I believe) VALID complaint about time change revolved around working night shift at a hospital. We document and time stamp everything we do. The nights of time change make the job complicated... IV Antibiotics are time driven, and you can't be off by more than 15 minutes, narcotics are time sensitive as well, it got hectic making sure everything stayed 'on time'. And our computer system did not adjust the times meds were due for you. You had to do that manually, and then explain to the system why you were overriding a med and giving it early (which it is not designed to do) OR stare at that red warning box for an hour because you are giving a time-sensitive med "late" when you really just lost an hour on the clock. I'm sure there are better systems which would account for this, but ours did not.

But, worse than making sure the meds were on time, was trying to document WHEN the patient actually got them on the night we fell back and GAINED an hour. I had to make sure that the documentation was clear when I essentially had an hour that "repeated" itself. It was 2AM for two hours. So, did I give that narcotic or antibiotic during the first 2o'clock hour or the second 2o'clock hour? Because that matters... And I have to be able to time the next dose correctly.

And you have to get all that done and correct even in the middle of an already hectic and crazy job...

Sorry, but that struck my funny bone.

I've spent huge amounts of time in hospitals, either for myself or family members. I've been in ICUs, NICUs, step down units, surgical units, cancer and others. I've never seen a nurse concerned about being 15 minutes late with antibiotics or narcotics. Heck, I've never seen them worried about being 30 minutes late, with a patient writhing in pain.

 

[Praying Colonel]

 

[clutter]

Massachusetts and Maine want stop switching to DST. I don’t follow the New England news on where they are in the process; however, Florida isn’t the only state with possible changes.

The proposal is tied in to changing time zones from Eastern to Atlantic, then stopping DST. So, its the equivalent to what Florida is doing, just different mechanics.

 

[wgeo]

I am totally against this. To stay on DST all year round means that'd we be on EST for half the year and in the Atlantic Standard timezone the other half. That is just too dumb. Either everyone in the time zone should do it or none. Also I'm a morning person, so while a lot of people are like "yay I get an hour of more "usable" daylight at night time" I would actually be losing that hour of daylight time when I like to be out and about in the morning.

I can see retirees and tourists and business that benefit from tourism liking it lighter later at night. But the businesses that deal with other time zones and working families and school kids I've talked to all think it's a bad idea. But it's not like the politicians asked us before they voted on the change.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Massachusetts and Maine want stop switching to DST. I don’t follow the New England news on where they are in the process; however, Florida isn’t the only state with possible changes.

So Massachusetts and Maine want to stop DST all together, and Florida always wants to be on DST.

So then in July, when it's noon in Pennsylvania it's noon in Florida and 11am in Massachusetts & Maine.
In December, when it's noon in Pennsylvania it's 1pm in Florida and noon in Massachusetts & Maine.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

The proposal is tied in to changing time zones from Eastern to Atlantic, then stopping DST. So, its the equivalent to what Florida is doing, just different mechanics.

Oh, wait, ok.

So Maine and Massachusetts want to join the AST (UTC-4) time zone. To go along with parts of Canada and South America. What about Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, and RI? They should probably all stick together.

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

 

[morgan98]

IIRC, it wasn't even the entire state (is that still the case today?).

I recall having a conversation with someone we worked with that was located in Indiana - trying to explain to them DST was a nightmare.

I lived this for a good part of my adult life. There are counties in Indiana (I am familiar with NW Indiana) that did change time and followed Chicago time (Lake, Porter, LaPorte and a few other counties) while other counties did not change. I lived in a county that followed Chicago time while working in South Bend, which did not. You get used to it I guess. I do not have children, but the high school was in a different time zone than my house was.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Last year I read that they want it so people vote on the issue. I would vote to stop the time change. I get so messed up from it.

 

[Shanti]

I hate Daylight Savings Time, but this is even worse. If Florida clocks are running 2 hours earlier than ours instead of just one, that might end our winter cruises out of Port Canaveral.

 

[PollyannaMom]

So Maine and Massachusetts want to join the AST (UTC-4) time zone. To go along with parts of Canada and South America. What about Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, and RI? They should probably all stick together.

That's (no pun intended) exactly the sticking point. - It hasn't gone through here yet because we don't have enough of the region on board.

 

[FINFAN]

DST already kicking my a$$ tonight...where do I sign for the SPA? Man, I wish I lived in AZ right now, or HI