Sturgis Motorcycle Rally...HUGE Crowds expected

[Pea-n-Me]

I just wish people had more sense so that our healthcare workers didn’t have to face this risk needlessly. In other words, we could probably avoid a lot more people getting sick in the near future had there not been 250,000 show up in Sturgis.

I don’t see how it’s a lot different than all the other groups that are out there, too. (Cumulatively.)

 

[HeatherC]

I don’t see how it’s a lot different than all the other groups that are out there, too. (Cumulatively.)

I think the sheer number of people is what makes it seem crazy to me. A quarter of a million is a lot.

 

[DeniseJH]

I don’t see how it’s a lot different than all the other groups that are out there, too. (Cumulatively.)

I think, for me anyway, it's different because there are hospitals with no ICU beds available right now, and we know how to slow this down but many are too selfish to do what is recommended. JMO.

 

[gwynne]

I think the sheer number of people is what makes it seem crazy to me. A quarter of a million is a lot.

Exactly.
Meanwhile many, many localities don't have enough PPE, lack testing supplies and access to testing...the story really hasn't changed. The disease pings from one city to another...and then back again.
160,000 dead, and we seem quite likely to hit 200,000 in a few short months.
You'd think that much death would be enough. You know, as folks learned more they would want to do better. Not sure what is so scary about putting on a mask.
It's going to be a rough winter. Very sad.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I didn't really know where to put this information but this thread kinda seem relevant. Today my state removed FL from its quarantine list (they had been added on June 29th) but they added this which was completely new: "Attended/traveled to mass gathering events of 500 people or greater on or after Aug. 11."

 

[gwynne]

I didn't really know where to put this information but this thread kinda seem relevant. Today my state removed FL from its quarantine list (they had been added on June 29th) but they added this which was completely new: "Attended/traveled to mass gathering events of 500 people or greater on or after Aug. 11."

Interesting notation, might cover a lot of territory. Always something new, huh?

 

[Tallis]

Let me say that I think all large gatherings should be curtailed; however, if it's predominantly outdoors and in some open spaces, it might be okay.

Not really predominantly outdoors. It's predominantly in bars.

Same as Daytona Bike Week here that happened in March. One irresponsible nurse brought it back to our rural county and has now infected 447 people ... every single one of them traced back to her. There is now a lawsuit against the nursing and rehabilitation home where she worked. They knew where she was going and let her return to work with no quarantine. Needless to say, she has moved and gone into hiding after the death threats from family members of the deceased.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Keep on moving, nothing happening here.






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84 arrests 226 citations and 18 crashes in 24 hours. Looks like those Lawyers the mayor talked about are there on business, not pleasure.

 

[gwynne]

84 arrests 226 citations and 18 crashes in 24 hours. Looks like those Lawyers the mayor talked about are there on business, not pleasure.

I guess you can sit by the phone☎
or...
Grab some business cards and go mingle with the customers.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Not really predominantly outdoors. It's predominantly in bars.

Same as Daytona Bike Week here that happened in March. One irresponsible nurse brought it back to her our rural county and has now infected 447 people ... every single one of them traced back to her. There is now a lawsuit against the nursing and rehabilitation home where she worked. They knew where she was going and let her return to work with no quarantine. Needless to say, she has moved and gone into hiding after the death threats from family members of the deceased.

Do you have a news story for that? That seems to be the highest number of people I've heard linked back to a single person. My google searching isn't finding that

 

[Tallis]

Do you have a news story for that? That seems to be the highest number of people I've heard linked back to a single person. My google searching isn't finding that

Here is an old article, but it gives you the name of the nursing home so you can check it out. The most recent article I found, a local paper, requires a subscription to view it.

Here is another.

Our community's latest death. All from that one woman making a disgusting decision.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Here is an old article, but it gives you the name of the nursing home so you can check it out. The most recent article I found, a local paper, requires a subscription to view it.

Here is another.

Our community's latest death. All from that one woman making a disgusting decision.

Thanks for that! I'm not seeing where they contact traced 447 cases to the one nurse who went to a bike rally or that she herself was solely responsible for the spread.

I'm def. see negligence on the lackadaisical attitude from the nursing home, seeing that at least one nurse quit due to the working conditions, "workers concealing patients’ fevered temperatures and putting ice packs on their heads, management advising staff not to get tested for the virus and residents with COVID-19 kept and treated inside the facility often instead of being transported elsewhere."

Another article I found from early April said: "spoke to a nurse at the Suwannee Health and Rehabilitation Center who tested positive for coronavirus. That nurse was one of three nurses ABC 27 spoke to who said those who have tested positive for coronavirus at the facility are not being isolated from other people."

I guess I'm not seeing where they've said (like in other situations with a supers-preader) the information you are saying unless I'm really missing it (apologies if I am); I'm not excusing her risky behavior way back when but this place sounds a lot like one the of the nursing facilities in my area responsible for a lot of cases and deaths in the particular county they are located in and they have multiple lawsuits filed on them as well.

If you have a subscription to that one local article maybe you can paste in some of the information, that is if you feel like it

 

[Tallis]

If you have a subscription to that one local article maybe you can paste in some of the information, that is if you feel like it

I do not. But I live here, it's a small town where everyone knows everyone else. ALL have originated from this one woman, either directly or indirectly. It started at the nursing home and spread to co-workers, residents, and all of their families and friends. Everyone who tested positive, in our county, can be traced back to her. It's a very sad situation.

But back to my original point, bike rallies are NOT safe and certainly not mostly outdoors.


After seeing what Daytona Bike Week caused here, I am horrified that Sturgis is a go.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I do not. But I live here, it's a small town where everyone knows everyone else. ALL have originated from this one woman, either directly or indirectly. It started at the nursing home and spread to co-workers, residents, and all of their families and friends. Everyone who tested positive, in our county, can be traced back to her. It's a very sad situation.

But back to my original point, bike rallies are NOT safe and certainly not mostly outdoors.


After seeing what Daytona Bike Week caused here, I am horrified that Sturgis is a go.

Right but if she introduced it to the community that is obviously unfortunate but it sounds like this nursing home is really the negligent party involved at least from all appearances.

When you said your first statement it made it sound like she went around to all these places and infected 447 people. That's not what actually happened though. Her choice in engaging in risky behavior (though it was early on in the pandemic for context reasons) is unfortunate and to tie it back to Sturgis knowing what we know now yipes..yes don't go to that!

I can understand your frustration with her however personally I find the actions of the nursing home to be the main contributor to spread . Anyone no matter their actions can introduce a place (be it a city, business, facility) to COVID and it may not be of their own fault or where they picked it up known but the actions taken to contain such a introduction is paramount to reducing spread.

We know from all over including globally that nursing home facilities, especially early on, were filled with mismanagement, terrible practices, lack of PPE and so much more. I would not hold this nurse personally responsible for 447 infections even if she was the origination point and it's really sad that people are giving death threats against her I would have expected the community to be much more angry at this nursing home that clearly didn't care after all they are the ones caring for their loved ones and showing gross negligence in that

I just wanted the information so others reading along can see and for my own personal information as I was quite shocked at the numbers so I appreciate your responses. I do agree with your opinion on Sturgis no doubt about that!

Anyways back to the thread topic

 

[Tallis]

When you said your first statement it made it sound like she went around to all these places and infected 447 people. That's not what actually happened though. Her choice in engaging in risky behavior (though it was early on in the pandemic for context reasons) is unfortunate and to tie it back to Sturgis knowing what we know now yipes..yes don't go to that!

Over 200 were in direct contact with her, so still a very high number of direct spread cases.

It wasn't "early" in the epidemic at all, at least not here in Florida. At the time she went, travel was already restricted and we had high numbers in major cities. It was widespread knowledge how risky it was. MANY people advised her not to go. She knew the risks to herself, and especially the vulnerable population she worked with. She is not a nice person at all. I know you don't know her, but most of us around here do. She's very selfish and has some issues.

even if she was the origination point and it's really sad that people are giving death threats against her I would have expected the community to be much more angry at this nursing home that clearly didn't care after all they are the ones caring for their loved ones and showing gross negligence in that

I have no sympathy for her because she knew what she was doing and selfishly decided to do it anyway.

People are VERY angry at the nursing/rehab home as well, believe me! Both are responsible for this tragedy. We have a 3 year old in ICU and a 1 year old sick.

Since I have seen this, I expect this is going to be happening in towns all across the country after Sturgis. Maybe in larger places, people will not know the exact origin, but in smaller, rural places, they likely will. If someone brings it home, they will likely face the same fate as this nurse. She was born and raised here, but had to go somewhere else and start life all over again.

Sturgis WILL be the cause of death and illnesses all over the country. There is just no way it won't happen. I'm completely shocked that this is taking place. It's extremely upsetting, even though I live about as far away as anyone could get, and don't know anyone that will go.

It really needs to be called off. One year of no Sturgis is not the end of the world. I'm really sad to know what the future holds. Not to mention the locals. That is a very low virus spot not, getting ready to light up red. People are so ridiculous to put his ahead of human lives and potential tragedy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Over 200 were in direct contact with her, so still a very high number of direct spread cases.

Okay but you're missing the point. She didn't stand in one place (like a church) and infect 200 people (or whatever number). Her place of business allowed for rampant spread.

It wasn't "early" in the epidemic at all, at least not here in Florida. At the time she went, travel was already restricted and we had high numbers in major cities.

If it happened in March, which is when you said it did, it was early on enough in terms of the pandemic. No one is saying the risks weren't known but back then the safety precautions, most especially with nursing homes, were largely awful and it led to a lot of issues and spread and unfortunately death. Even into April and May nursing home facilities were still grappling with mismanagement, poor training, lack of PPE, gross negligence, etc. Heck I'm still amazed and disappointed at the same time when new long-term care facilities are added to my county's list especially when the outbreak is large enough

It was widespread knowledge how risky it was. MANY people advised her not to go. She knew the risks to herself, and especially the vulnerable population she worked with. She is not a nice person at all. I know you don't know her, but most of us around here do. She's very selfish and has some issues.

Okay I'll be blunt but as respectful as I can. It really comes off like you have a personal thing about this person and I kinda got that because your comments kept coming back to her and her alone. Regardless of whether she's a nice person or selfish or whatever she is not responsible for 447 people being infected. She presumably got COVID from this bike rally (going with your comments) but the response of that nursing home is what led to all the fallout and the cases and that is where the fault should largely lie IMO. In news-wise there are countless stories of the same thing from other nursing homes back then (and to an extent now).

Contact tracing is not intended to be used to place blame on an individual such that appears to be happening, make death threats against people, make them feel like they need to move and hide (and people wonder why some are reluctant to respond to contact tracers). It's to be used simply for the health department.

The nursing home I spoke about in my area over 130 residents and staff were infected at just that one facility and at least 36 died (which in mid-April was half of that county's death rate from 1 facility). There's at least 8 lawsuits against that one facility for wrongful death largely for "In general, they allege that the nursing home was negligent in how it handled the spread of the coronavirus, that it lacked adequate staff and that it failed to notify the families of the outbreak". We know a staff member brought it into that place because visitors weren't allowed at that time. What happened after it got into the facility is what has angered so many in my area but it is not aimed at any one person.

Another lawsuit in my county is against a facility that led to (at that time) at least 75 residents and 14 deaths. The lawsuit, filed by a family of one of the deceased from a family is "staff failed to recognize that (name of the resident) started to exhibit symptoms of COVID-19 in late April, and it wasn’t until his family had him transported to a hospital on April 29 before he was tested for the disease. (Name of the facility), overall, did not provide their staff with the appropriate training in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19 within their facility," "These failures go all the way to the top. These facilities do need to provide their staff with what they need to do their job." People here in my area seem more concerned with holding these healthcare facilities responsible than making death threats against staff members.

It really needs to be called off. One year of no Sturgis is not the end of the world.

Agreed! No argument there from me at all.


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In any case I think we've both given our viewpoints on the subject in enough detail. I'll kindly move on in the discussion but please don't take offense with my further non-response because again appreciate your responses

 

[Tallis]

Okay I'll be blunt but as respectful as I can. It really comes off like you have a personal thing about this person and I kinda got that because your comments kept coming back to her and her alone.

I don't personally know her. I've never met her. I only OF her. And there was a big to-do in the local facebook group about her going, where lots of community members weighed in. Like I said, small town. I have not personally had anyone effected by her actions, and have no personal vendetta. I'm just echoing the community feeling about her.

It wasn't COVID tracer that gave her up. It was small town grapevine. Everyone knew where she was going and everyone knew she brought it back. We didn't need the health department to tell us that.

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In any case I think we've both given our viewpoints on the subject in enough detail. I'll kindly move on in the discussion but please don't take offense with my further non-response because again appreciate your responses

So, you want the last word on something that you have no clue as to what you're talking about. You don't live here. You don't know what's going on here. The news only reports what they want to. There is a lot of "good ole boy club" mentality here, as in many rural areas. Not everything is going to make it into the press, but everyone that lives here knows exactly what it going on.

But glad you intend to quit interrogating me about it and accusing me of having some hand in it. I would never threaten anyone and am on the sidelines, not directly involved.

I really just wanted to state a very similar example (biker gathering) of what could happen to communities all over the country due to Sturgis.

Lots of people sick and dead, and the woman who brought it back has her life ruined forever. Her family had lived here for generations. Uprooted, gone. I do have the utmost sympathy for her family.

We went to Sturgis last year. Obviously, will not be going this year. We would have liked to go to Daytona Bike Week, as it is very close. Even though we live out in the boondocks and work from home, we chose not to go because we do shop locally and didn't want to bring it back to our county that had zero cases at the time.

I hope the residents of Sturgis are somehow able to protest enough to prevent this tragedy from happening.

 

[msjprincess]

Okay but you're missing the point. She didn't stand in one place (like a church) and infect 200 people (or whatever number). Her place of business allowed for rampant spread.
If it happened in March, which is when you said it did, it was early on enough in terms of the pandemic. No one is saying the risks weren't known but back then the safety precautions, most especially with nursing homes, were largely awful and it led to a lot of issues and spread and unfortunately death. Even into April and May nursing home facilities were still grappling with mismanagement, poor training, lack of PPE, gross negligence, etc. Heck I'm still amazed and disappointed at the same time when new long-term care facilities are added to my county's list especially when the outbreak is large enough

That's what I was going to say. I live in NY, my husband went to Daytona Bike Week. When he left home NY had 11 cases. One was a nurse who had just returned form Iran. The other cases were all connected to the atty in Rockland County. No one realized at that point what this would become and how easily it would spread.

250K people going to Sturgis is a different thing altogether. The risks are now well known.

 

[cabanafrau]

That's what I was going to say. I live in NY, my husband went to Daytona Bike Week. When he left home NY had 11 cases. One was a nurse who had just returned form Iran. The other cases were all connected to the atty in Rockland County. No one realized at that point what this would become and how easily it would spread.

250K people going to Sturgis is a different thing altogether. The risks are now well known.

250K going to Sturgis is basically a shoulder shrug from those who think they're entitled to do as they please, or from others who think that they're somehow protected in some above it all perch and those who fall victim to the virus are merely inconsequential cannon fodder.

 

[robinb]

I think the sheer number of people is what makes it seem crazy to me. A quarter of a million is a lot.

Make that a quarter of a million people, going in and out of buildings, standing shoulder to shoulder, drinking and partying, all without wearing masks or social distancing or taking any precautions against contracting Covid. It's very crazy.