Stopping ILLEGAL immigration... what would be YOUR plan?

[AllyandJack]

I have a question.

If a known illegal immigrant is taken to hospital suffering from a heart attack or a stroke in the USA, will they be refused help on grounds of a lack of financing?



Rich::

Nobody is refused emergency treatment. The problem is, citizens/legal immigrants who don't qualify for aid programs get bills. Illegal immigrants can't be billed because they can't be tracked. There are tons of programs from government run programs to hospital run programs, but they have such strict guidelines that some people here legally are denied because they have the nerve to report all of their income to the IRS.

 

[wvrevy]

Speaking of rubbish...

Well argued.

 

[Papa Deuce]

These are mostly extremely poor people living in conditions that I will guarantee you none of us would willingly exchange for our own.

I agree 100%.... we would not WILLINGLY exchange for our own. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are not "our own", though. They are CRIMINALS. Now, do I want them in jail? Nope. Just deport them.

 

[FreshTressa]

It IS idealistic. This nation was founded on such ideals. Sorry, but I don't have a problem with trying to solve the world's problems, so long as we don't do it by tryin to conquer the world (read: invade just 'cause we think we should when there is no threat to us and no ongoing genocide).

As for free healthcare....you asked the wrong person that question. I think access to health care should be a right for all people, not a privilege for those able to afford it. So, in answer to your question...yes, I believe that they should get free health care. And so should everyone else.

I bet you give 95% of your income to charity so you can give people free healthcare.

If that is how you feel, why are you not donating all your time to your cause?

 

[FreshTressa]

I live in a fairly affluent neighborhood...

Only 1/3 of my daughter's first grade class are native english speakers.

 

[wvrevy]

Good grief. Do you mean to say that your child goes to school in a class of 45 students, 1/3 of whom speak no english? I had no idea the conditions were like that there. Obviously you are still in your own little world.

No, but then neither does yours. By all means, please provide some statistics from some reputable source that shows classrooms anywhere in the country that have 1/3 of the students as non-English speaking. If you can do that, then I will by all means apologize and say that the problem is worse than I believed it to be. But I do not believe that for a second.

And yes, it was frustrating that the hospital was so crowded. And the fact that most of the people weren't going to pay diddly for the service, was an irritant. But I'm sure it wouldn't have bothered you...except you will never have to deal with that situation.

But...but...if the problem is so bad, then of course I will have to deal with it. Sorry, but I think a rational person would say that a pregnant woman - in labor - takes precedence over little Jonnie's sniffles.

It is easy to say other's overreact, or have no basis for their frustration. But until your area is overrun with people using an abundance of the resources and contributing little back, you have no right to see yourself as superior.

I never said that there was no basis for your overreaction. I said that there is a problem, but that it was being blown completely out of proportion. Nor did I say that I was "superior". Simply that I fail to dehumanize someone just because they chose to come to this country and live in squalor that just happens to be better than the squalor that they came from. Yeah, it's frustrating when I was going through a drive thru in DC and the guy on the window barely spoke the language. But probably not half as frustrating as it is for him to try to make it in a country that has people trying to make his life as difficult as possible, just so he can make a better life for his kids at home. Besides...who said you have a right to a life without frustration?

 

[wvrevy]

I bet you give 95% of your income to charity so you can give people free healthcare.

If that is how you feel, why are you not donating all your time to your cause?

I give what I can to charity, but my first responsibility is to my own family. I have to live within the system that people like you have put into place. Not by choice, but by necessity.

And before you pull out the ever-ignorant "so, leave" comment, this is MY country too, and I won't willingly abandon it to people with more greed than compassion.

As for donating my time to my cause...what do you think I'm doing now? Exposing the selfishness of people on the other side of some of these issues is as good as calling people's houses and bugging them with political issues. What, you thought I was just carrying on this conversation to be insulted ?

 

[FreshTressa]

I definitely agree to the taking care of your own family first statement.

I think we should take care of legal americans FIRST. Once they are taken care of, then we can worry about the rest of the world.

And exposing people is a lazy way to contribute.

If you want free healthcare as a worldwide right, all americans would have to work 10 hour days to pay for it.

 

[FreshTressa]

Just looked it up.

At my kid's school, 38% of the students are "transitional bilingual"

My daughter's particular classroom has even more...over half.

I'm not saying this is a problem. Honestly, it does not really bother me.

BUT, someone said they wanted statistics.

 

[In a hurry]

Considering it was 20 years ago, proof would be a bit difficult. Guess you had to be there.

The baby had meningitis. Not exactly the sniffles. Of course we didn't know that at the time, because no one would look at him.

And, my family left poverty in Cuba, came to this country legally and we managed to learn the language, pay our taxes, etc. For someone who claims such feeling for the underprivileged, you seem to have a sarcastic/caustic attitude towards actual people. It is easy to romanticize a group when they aren't in your space. A bit more difficult to treat real people with the dignity and respect you seem to feel all should be treated with.

 

[FreshTressa]

Here, check out the ethnicity of this school

http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ca/other/4050

Or this one

http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ca/other/4017

99% speak spanish and 94% get free or reduced lunch


This one is in Bellevue, WA....a fairly expensive place to live..

http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/wa/other/116

 

[wvrevy]

I definitely agree to the taking care of your own family first statement.

I think we should take care of legal americans FIRST. Once they are taken care of, then we can worry about the rest of the world.

And exposing people is a lazy way to contribute.

If you want free healthcare as a worldwide right, all americans would have to work 10 hour days to pay for it.

Look, I have no problem with "taking care of" American citizens first. All things being equal, the citizen should be given access to services before an illegal immmigrant is. But - in the case that was brought up - I'm sorry, but a woman in labor takes precedence over a sick kid, unless the kid is imminent danger.

Who said "exposing people" was the only thing I did? Just happens to be what I'm doing at the moment. But this website has thousands of members, and many, many more people will read this thread than will ever post on it, so don't discount the importance of standing up for what you believe in, even on a forum such as this.

As for your last comment, I don't think I said that we should provide free medical care to everyone in the entire world. However, if you walk into a hospital in this country, yes, I believe that should be a free service provided by the government. As for "working 10 hours a day to pay for it", funny, but the Canadiens manage to do it without having to resort to that. So, why not follow their model?

 

[FreshTressa]

As for your last comment, I don't think I said that we should provide free medical care to everyone in the entire world. However, if you walk into a hospital in this country, yes, I believe that should be a free service provided by the government. As for "working 10 hours a day to pay for it", funny, but the Canadiens manage to do it without having to resort to that. So, why not follow their model?

So, if you manage to 'sneak' in, you should have priority of healthcare over those that chose to remail legally in their own country?

 

[AllyandJack]

But, do Canadians pay for everyone? If I go to Canada and decide to just hang out for a few months, do I get free healthcare? I don't work or, if I do, there is no record of it and I don't pay taxes. I just lay low and make money. If I show up in an emergency room, do I get free care?

I'm not trying to be snippy, I really want to know. I'd love to know how they can afford that. If millions of Americans decided to go up to Canada to get free healthcare, do you think they could sustain their system as it currently operates?

 

[ford family]

It certainly happens here in the UK. Healthcare is free at the point of delivery no matter who you are or where you come from. "Health tourists" are a frequent sighting in our hospitals.
And how can we afford it? We pay far more in tax than you do.

ford family

 

[Puffy2]

Wall to seal off the border.

Troops home from waste-of-resources Iraq to help guard the border.

INS doing their job investigating buisnesses that knowingly hire illegals (gee, they might even have to do a little undercover work....).

When businesses are found to be knowingly hiring illegals - give them mandatory prison time. They can fine them too, but fines only mean "a cost of doing business" - prison time talks. Heck, make it a "three strikes your out" law and confiscate the business altogether - put it on the aucion block to help pay for looking for the illegals.

If they can't get a job, they won't come. The problem is with the pourous border and the corporations that get richer by having them here.

 

[AllyandJack]

It certainly happens here in the UK. Healthcare is free at the point of delivery no matter who you are or where you come from. "Health tourists" are a frequent sighting in our hospitals.
And how to we afford it? We pay far more in tax than you do.

ford family

Is it free for emergencies or free for everything? If I showed up and overstayed a visa, do I get free healthcare for everything I need?

I also thought there is a market for private insurance in the UK, as well as in Canada and other countries with national systems. So, you're paying twice....unless your employer pays for the private insurance.

Is it a pervasive problem? At last count, we had over 11 million illegal immigrants here. Do you see it to that extent in the UK?

It just makes me wonder why more uninsured Americans aren't rushing to Canada for free care. Heck, I'm close to the border, I'd be tempted to stop paying for my insurance and going there for the free care.

Thank you for the information. I always learn so much from this board.

 

[FreshTressa]

My parents took me to the canadian hospitals when I was little because we lived near the border. They never questioned us or anything.

 

[disneyaggie]

Oh, you will love this!

I sent scathing, yet factual, letters to LULAC "leaders" letting them know we as Americans do not appreciate the disrespect of the Mexicans who march with the Mexican flag, holding signs saying, "Viva Mexico". I asked these so-called "leaders", "So where are the American flags with the signs that read, "Thank you America. Thank you for all of our opportunities.

Well, Jesse Diaz, President of LULAC, sent me a very crude response (with lots of grammatical errors, I will add). I have sent his response to the local media to let them see what he sent, which a total embarassment to LULAC. What an idiot!

 

[wvrevy]

Oh, you will love this!

I sent scathing, yet factual, letters to LULAC "leaders" letting them know we as Americans do not appreciate the disrespect of the Mexicans who march with the Mexican flag, holding signs saying, "Viva Mexico". I asked these so-called "leaders", "So where are the American flags with the signs that read, "Thank you America. Thank you for all of our opportunities.

Well, Jesse Diaz, President of LULAC, sent me a very crude response (with lots of grammatical errors, I will add). I have sent his response to the local media to let them see what he sent, which a total embarassment to LULAC. What an idiot!

Grammatical errors like the one bolded above? Careful you don't walk into any of those glass walls.