Stopping ILLEGAL immigration... what would be YOUR plan?

[Miss Inga Depointe]

Well, er, Tubman and Parks were Americans, and they were campaigning against oppression. Illegal immigrants are not Americans (or legal), and they are not being oppressed.

But they were breaking the law, and I believe it was suggested that anyone who breaks the law should have no more rights.

But wait, I don't even think Tubman was considered a citizen. Just a forced inhabitant!

 

[CheshireVal]

Yes, but I think we're being a little nitpicky about that poster's statement. I think it needs to be taken in the context of coming to the country illegally. I agree with that. If you come here illegally, you really shouldn't have the same rights that citizens or legal immigrants do.

 

[dennis99ss]

Tubman and Parks were sure treated like Americans, weren't they?

It's nice you only want to point out the laws of the land that benifit your point .

Well, it is only the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

And, it was one of the items that some say would cure the problem.

Are there laws against illegal immigration, sure. Can and should they be enforced, sure. But, you cannot simply ignore the laws, basically waiving their enforcement for years and years, and expect them to be effective, right, or enforceable now.

Oh, and by the way, the illegal aliens have rights under our constitution as well.

 

[tmt martins]

And which laws would those be? The speeding laws? The laws governing the payment of taxes, the laws regarding zoning? How about the laws as to where parking is on the street.

You posts just scream of your having no idea of what is really involved in the issue of immigration/illegal immigration and the cause of such, and the benfits vs. negatives of the issue.

You simply shout out that they should all go home, everybody should go to jail, etc.

Just think, Harriet Tubman was acting illegally on the railroad as well. I guess you would be in favor of her being stripped of all rights (opps, I forgot, she didn't have many did she) I guess Rosa Parks would not even have been able to go home after getting off the bus, since she would have been thrown in jail for eternity. By Golly, thats how we should treat people.

No I'm not saying that at all I'm saying get the laws changed or hold all accountable .

Stop letting people profit from breaking the law thats all.

Thats the transporters charging high prices to get people into this country (not just Mexico but china russia japan ).This is no different from the DRUG industry as long as the money is being funnled up a blind eye will be turned.

A low percentage of Illegals are making the American Dream come true to many are suffering what we should concider unlivable conditions but we just let it slide .

 

[wvrevy]

Yes, but I think we're being a little nitpicky about that poster's statement. I think it needs to be taken in the context of coming to the country illegally. I agree with that. If you come here illegally, you really shouldn't have the same rights that citizens or legal immigrants do.

Ok, so what rights should we take away from them, then? The right to due process? The right to not be spied upon without probable cause being shown (oops...um...nevermind)? The right to free speech? By all means, please point out the "rights" that should be withheld from people, simply because they were not lucky enough to be born in the USofA.

 

[dennis99ss]

Was Tubman an illegal? After 1865 she probably would have been considered an illegal. Would that mean, that, because of Article 13, all of the former slaves were illegal aliens?

The issue is not one in which you can simply waive a wand, say anybody who commits a crime has no rights, and be gone with it. Of course, commits a crime is open to interpretation as well, and when that designation starts

 

[dennis99ss]

A low percentage of Illegals are making the American Dream come true to many are suffering what we should concider unlivable conditions but we just let it slide .

not correct.

but, you raise a point. I guess its ok that they live in conditions that are even worse in their home country, and we should let it slide? So, even if its worse down south, since it is not here, its ok. As long as I don't have to look at it it doesn't exist.....

 

[bsnyder]

A question for wvrevy and dennis.

Would you impose any restrictions on immigration? Or should anyone who wants to be allowed to move to the U.S. and become a citizen? Is it an unlimited number, or do you have a threshold number (annually or otherwize) where you'd say we can't take more above that number.

 

[Miss Inga Depointe]

A question for wvrevy and dennis.

Would you impose any restrictions on immigration? Or should anyone who wants to be allowed to move to the U.S. and become a citizen? Is it an unlimited number, or do you have a threshold number (annually or otherwize) where you'd say we can't take more above that number.

You didn't ask me but do you mind if I offer an opinion. I think we just aren't there yet. I think that all the new faces scare people into thinking that the country will change, but the country is going to change no matter what. People worry that English will disappear along with the WASP culture.

I believe that although there are certain things we need to correct about the process, we need the new blood.

 

[wvrevy]

A question for wvrevy and dennis.

Would you impose any restrictions on immigration? Or should anyone who wants to be allowed to move to the U.S. and become a citizen? Is it an unlimited number, or do you have a threshold number (annually or otherwize) where you'd say we can't take more above that number.

Bet, I'll be completely honest and say, "I don't know." My heart tells me that this country is meant to welcome all who share the same dream of democracy and prosperity, while my head argues that there is no way we could accept everyone in the world that wanted to come here, and that it really would be a security risk to not have any border security in place at all.

It is a very complex problem, but it is nowhere near the huge deal that it is being made out to be by opportunistic politicians, overzealous media, and, frankly, an ignorant populace. There simply is no easy solution.

All I can say for certain is that the whole thing smacks of a certain racist attitude, which makes me shy very far away from agreeing with the people saying that the immigrants are nothing but lazy, welfare moochers that come here only to escape work. The simple fact is that homelessness in this country may actually be more appealing than life in their own.

 

[CheshireVal]

Ok, so what rights should we take away from them, then? The right to due process? The right to not be spied upon without probable cause being shown (oops...um...nevermind)? The right to free speech? By all means, please point out the "rights" that should be withheld from people, simply because they were not lucky enough to be born in the USofA.

They have the right to sneak over here if they want. They have a right to be treated humanely if they are caught. Beyond that, I really don't think they have rights to work here or benefit from our social or healthcare systems that they aren't paying into.

I am not against immigration-- my father is an immigrant. My husband and I are caught up in immigration bureaucracy right now trying to get his green card. But I'll be selfish here and say that, darnit, if *I* have to go through it, then nobody else should get a free ride, either, and not risk being deported.

 

[salmoneous]

I need to give it more thought. I will say upfront that I am 100% against ILLEGAL immigration, and would send back every single ILLEGAL immigrant to the country they came from if I could.

That said, I welcome LEGAL immigration.

If the problem with ILLEGAL immigration is that it is illegal, the easy solution is just to leagalize it. Now you've got no more problem.

 

[Papa Deuce]

Oh, yeah, throw the constitution away.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States............are citizens of the United States........

So, what parts of the constitution do you want to throw away next........

Any part that makes sense to throw away. That was wriiten 200+ years ago, and while at that time, it was probably a near perfect document, the writers of it had no way to forsee 200+ years intom the future and know what was going to happen.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Any part that makes sense to throw away. That was wriiten 200+ years ago, and while at that time, it was probably a near perfect document, the writers of it had no way to forsee 200+ years intom the future and know what was going to happen.

This is one of the scariest statements I have read here in a long time.

 

[bsnyder]

Bet, I'll be completely honest and say, "I don't know." My heart tells me that this country is meant to welcome all who share the same dream of democracy and prosperity, while my head argues that there is no way we could accept everyone in the world that wanted to come here, and that it really would be a security risk to not have any border security in place at all.

It is a very complex problem, but it is nowhere near the huge deal that it is being made out to be by opportunistic politicians, overzealous media, and, frankly, an ignorant populace. There simply is no easy solution.

All I can say for certain is that the whole thing smacks of a certain racist attitude, which makes me shy very far away from agreeing with the people saying that the immigrants are nothing but lazy, welfare moochers that come here only to escape work. The simple fact is that homelessness in this country may actually be more appealing than life in their own.

Hey, I appreciate honesty!

And I'll agree that it is a very complex problem. And that the world as we know it isn't going to end if we don't solve it tomorrow.

I hope you'll also be able to agree that not everyone who sees this as a problem of a great deal more magnitude than you do, is a racist.

 

[Chicago526]

This is one of the scariest statements I have read here in a long time.

Why? The framers put into the Constitution itself the process for changing it. The fathers WANTED us to change it as needed.

Anyway, something has to be done. As it stands there is no boarder security to speak of and millions of people here with no legal standing, a whole under-class of people who are here, and for better or worse, are most likely here to stay. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think deporting 12 million men, women and children is goint to be part of the solution. Realisticly, it just ain't gonna happen.

Maybe the best answer is to tighten the boarders so that illegal immagration becomes nearly impossible, then cut our losses and offer a "guest worker" program for those already here. At least get them some sort of status so we can begin to track them and figure out what the next step shoule be. I could live with some sort of amnesty if we can prevent future waves of illegals from entering the country.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Why? The framers put into the Constitution itself the process for changing it. The fathers WANTED us to change it as needed.

I don't want to see rights taken away. Adding rights...I am all for that. Taking them away...I don't think so.

 

[cardaway]

So where do the people who don't think this is a problem draw the line? How many is the maximum? When do YOU finally start thinking the point has come where you don't think the system is making sense and it's harder for your family because of the number of illegals?

 

[BriarfoxinWA]

1) Make mandatory jail time to anyone caught employing an illegal (even for house labor)

2) No more instant citizenship to babies born here...they must apply for citizenship and a parent must be legal.

3) No public education without proof of citizenship.

4) Any illegal caught doing a crime is instantly deported.

5) Make it illegal for landlords to rent to people without proof of citizenship/work permit. (If you want to be really mean, no having illegal people stay at your house either, otherwise JAIL time)

6) No more dual language in public buildings.


If they can't work here, and can't be housed here, there is no incentive for them to BE here.

The problem with proof of citizenship is that for about $100 I can get a green card, social security card and driver's license. So how far do you want to go to put the landlords and employer's in jail. Employers are already required to check these pieces of id upon hiring with penalties already in place if they don't file the proper paperwork. But they are not required to determine if the id provided is false or not.

 

[Mad4Mickey]

Pirahannas ??

All kidding aside being a person who lives in Texas I can tell you that there are times that I wish I didnt . They will hire you if you have papers here and they dont care if they are fakes or not .
I have a hard time believeing that the girl who works up here at the local drive in and DOESNT speak English has real papers because if she had real papers she could read and write and speak ENGILSH .

Make it harder on them lets say oh how about speaking English . And I agree with the poster that said we start giving out fines to those who hire people who are illegal .

My Parents are both 1st gereration Americans so I understand all about not coming from this country . I also know that my Grandparents all SPOKE ENGLISH ! They spoke only Italian in thier house but outside of the walls of that home they were english speaking Americans .