Stopping ILLEGAL immigration... what would be YOUR plan?

dennis99ss said:
I will predict, and you can all call me on it if I am wrong, that the senate will pass one version, the house will pass another, there will not be a compromise until after november, when the issue will slowly die.

Not exactly a prediction to last the ages considering that bills which determine things like how to hang the US Flag go this route also.

Bravosntha2g said:
If that's what it takes yes. I don't see how people could get so worked up over the management of a few ports, yet they don't want that same level of security on a huge border.

We are becoming a meaningless nation the more and more we rationalize ILLEGAL immigration.
Excellent post, and excellent point. Dennis said it was a political game, and there's a prime example.

wvrevy said:
I'm curious as to just what you think the meaning of this nation is, if you favor putting a new Berlin Wall on our southern border, complete with machine gun nests. :sad2: One thing's for sure...that meaning certainly can't be "land of the free".

Extremism alert! Extremism alert!
 
SpaceMonkeyMC said:
Extremism alert! Extremism alert!

Yeah, you're right. I think putting a new Wall on our southern border is flat-out nauseating. If that makes me an "extremist", then so be it.

(BTW...I just love it when someone with all of 7 posts feels they know me well enough to call me an extremist. :rolleyes: )
 
What would I do to illegal immigrants?

Make them all eat Chuck E Cheese pizza. That ought to fix them. ;) :thumbsup2
 

wvrevy said:
Yeah, you're right. I think putting a new Wall on our southern border is flat-out nauseating. If that makes me an "extremist", then so be it.

(BTW...I just love it when someone with all of 7 posts feels they know me well enough to call me an extremist. :rolleyes: )

Being anti-wall wasn't the extremist part. Frankly, I too think the wall idea is ridiculous and an inefficient use of resources. We share some common ground.

Rather the extremism comes from the "complete with machine gun nests" part. I've just noticed a lot of posts from people that take a simple subject and take it to some extreme opposite or fantasy scenario. Kind of like children on a playground. Maybe I've done this too, though.

(BTW my reply to one of your posts does not equate me making assumptions abotu you as a person.....more extremism.)

On a serious note, sorry for the WV comment in the long post. It was a tounge in cheek jab. I should have put a little smiley to declare it was a joke. No hard feelings?
 
dennis99ss said:
Anybody who shops at WalMart really has no right to say I will pay a little bit extra for an American to pick that fruit, or have the lawn cut, or pay double for my house, etc, because your support of WalMart is, in actuality, support for a non-american to do tghe work that used to be performed by an American. The only difference is that WalMart uses an enemy to do the work, while in the states, immigrants do the work. I do not see the unemployed hightailing it to the border states to cut grass, etc. for the rate that immigrants receive.

There's another difference. What Walmart does is LEGAL.

If you don't like that Walmart gets some of their stuff from overseas, don't shop there. If you really think it's a problem, petition the legislature to pass a law preventing US companies from getting any products made in other countries. Or is just Walmart you hate?
 
dennis99ss said:
Oh, yeah, throw the constitution away.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States............are citizens of the United States........

So, what parts of the constitution do you want to throw away next........

Not throw it away, change it. It's been amended over the history of our country when necessary.

But be as melodramatic as you wish.
 
Ah yes, the 7 post wonder who makes 15 bucks an hour, but is smarter and more experienced than everybody else. Cool dude.

You state that because you will not do the lawn, etc. does not mean someone else would not. This is true, but for the fact that no one else wants to do it. The companies that perform these services simply do not have the interest of the homeless population. It is a matter of supply and demand my young college graduate. There is a demand for the service, but only at a specific price. For example, the widget that you manufacture, or deal with on a daily basis is only worth 15 dollars per hour. If the supply of the available people to do your job was great, the wage would be less. But, id the supply of workers is less, and the cost to do your job was raised to 16 dollars per hour, the sales of the widget falls, thereby potentially leading to you losing your job because of the widget being priced oput of the marketplace. As a result, the price that Americans wish to pay for certain items and services controls the wages that can be paid to the people who are willing to perform the service. In this example, the immigrant is willing to work at a lower rate, because the lower rate is demanded by the American people. Face it, Americans weant to pay as little as they possibly can for goods and services. Americans do not care where the product comes from, who makes it, etc. They care about the product, and the cost, with, of course, some exceptions.


Your lazy butt can mow your own grass, and you probably would if you weren't too busy watching reality tv and screwing an immigrant out of a fair wage. (I can turn your arguments around on you like you do to others). So thanks for contributing to the problem. The people who complain that we're dehumanizing immigrants by deporting them are the same ones who say they should be allowed to stay because they work for pennies on the dollar. This argument is consistent? This is compassion? No, it is selfishness.

Mowing grass is only a common example. Do you use products that come through our ports? Do you use steel, concrete, agricultural products? Do you use petrochemical products? You, my friend, have the same problem as you acuse me of....You support the illegal immigration, because you use these products, and these men are working to get them to you.

Oh to be young, and to type without thinking....those were the days like you say, of reality tyelevision.....

I support the right of anyone to come to this country, within certain parameters, to work, and support their family. If they chose to work here for more than they were earning at home, how is that damaging to them?
 
Charade said:
Not throw it away, change it. It's been amended over the history of our country when necessary.

But be as melodramatic as you wish.
somewhat of a moot point anyhow as the constitution of the US does not apply to non-citizens, therefore it should not apply to the children of non-citizens. That passage about those born in the US being naturalized was intended to give citizenship to people who used proper procedure for coming to America. It has been taken advantage of and is something that probably ought to be given some new wording.
 
wvrevy said:
Ok, so what rights should we take away from them, then? The right to due process? The right to not be spied upon without probable cause being shown (oops...um...nevermind)? The right to free speech? By all means, please point out the "rights" that should be withheld from people, simply because they were not lucky enough to be born in the USofA.

They don't have the right to be here without permission.

Obviously, they don't have the same rights as a US citizen. Or do they? If they do, what's the point of being a citizen? What's the point of having immigration laws? Just open the gates and let 'em all in.
 
somewhat of a moot point anyhow as the constitution of the US does not apply to non-citizens, therefore it should not apply to the children of non-citizens. That passage about those born in the US being naturalized was intended to give citizenship to people who used proper procedure for coming to America. It has been taken advantage of and is something that probably ought to be given some new wording.



BWAHAHAHA

Your intelligence of the law simply outshines your knowledge as to everything else.
 
dennis99ss said:
I support the right of anyone to come to this country, within certain parameters, to work, and support their family. If they chose to work here for more than they were earning at home, how is that damaging to them?


But they don't have that right. It's a privilege and they have to do it legally or that privilege will be revoked.

And what "parameters" do you suggest?
 
dennis99ss said:
BWAHAHAHA

Your intelligence of the law simply outshines your knowledge as to everything else.

They're right.
 
I'm curious, dennis and wrevy: what exactly is it you would have done about the situation? Nothing?

Do you honestly think it's okay that people come here illegally and that they should have every right to stay here and work as much as they want to without paying taxes?

If so, then can my husband and I get our $1,000 back from the government that we've paid to try to get his green card? And while you're at it, can someone please relax his 20 hour a week limit on working (while on his temporary visa) because I'm having a really hard time paying bills when he's only working part-time?

Because right now if he violates that 20 hour limit, or if he breaks any laws, guess what? He's out of here. They'll deport him so fast it will make your head spin. Simply because he's in the system and traceable. While the millions of illegals here can work as much as they want, benefit from our social programs and schools and health care, and they will never be deported.

How is that fair?
 
I must live in some alternate universe because where I live landscaping companies, high school, or college kids do the lawn mowing if you are fortunate enough to be able to afford to hire someone. College students, people looking for extra money part time, and legal immigrants do house cleaning. Contractors build houses. Call me crazy but I don't have a problem with this. I do have a problem with the TB outbreak illegal immigrants have caused this past year. I have a bigger problem that ICE has done nothing about it and instead hushed it up.

The bottom line though is that you don't have the right to work in the United States if you've come here illegally. There's no ticket to the US given out in lieu of cigars at the birth of every child in the third world.

honestly what in the hell is the point of US citizenship if we let everyone in and give them the same rights (and in some cases better) as people who belong here legally?
 
Papa Deuce said:
......That said, I welcome LEGAL immigration.

From today's Chicago Tribune..........

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:thumbsup2
 
Finally, Verdugo-Urquidez found unpersuasive cases cited by the defendant in which aliens were recognized as enjoying certain constitutional rights. The Court found that these cases "establish only that aliens receive constitutional protections when they have come within the territory of the United States and developed substantial connections with this country." n33 For instance, [**16] Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding n34 held that "the Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders." n35 Holdings such as these could not help Verdugo-Urquidez because he was "an alien who has had no previous significant voluntary connections with the United States." n36

Just a quick cite to some comments as to the application of the constitution that does not apply
 
dennis99ss said:
BWAHAHAHA

Your intelligence of the law simply outshines your knowledge as to everything else.

Oh I see, you mean to imply that the constitution does apply to non-us citizens? Thats certainly interesting. Granted there are cases of non-citizens being given constitutional protections in the form of judicial process, but that is a method of judicial integrity and does not mean that the rights given by the Constitution are extended to non-citizens.

I'd be interested in knowing what makes you think otherwise.
 
Chesire, i think there is a difference in pulling 11 million or more people up and out of society, and sending them back to nothing. Especially when we have allowed them and encouraged their immigration for so long. It does not matter if they are legal or illegal. Our inaction is enough for me to say that they are invited in.

In the future, allow all people who want to come come, subject to health concerns, support concerns, etc.
 


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