Stopping ILLEGAL immigration... what would be YOUR plan?

[In a hurry]

So where do the people who don't think this is a problem draw the line? How many is the maximum? When do YOU finally start thinking the point has come where you don't think the system is making sense and it's harder for your family because of the number of illegals?

You know, I think it is like the environmental issues. People don'e believe in global warming if their area was colder than usual this year. This issue doesn't seem to be real for some because they haven't waited 8 hours in the ER (with a sick baby) while 11 pregnant illegals came thru to deliver, only to have them question our insurance coverage!!! In some places it is crazy.

 

[DawnCt1]

One thing I would do would be to legalize drugs. If we could stop the drug running, at least the worst element would be eliminated.

In fact, we could legalize many things that are considered criminal activity, forgery, insurance fraud, theft, imbezzlement, etc. and we would have less "crime". Just think of the burden that would be lifted from the court system.

 

[DawnCt1]

. This issue doesn't seem to be real for some because they haven't waited 8 hours in the ER (with a sick baby) while 11 pregnant illegals came thru to deliver, only to have them question our insurance coverage!!! In some places it is crazy.

Your insurance coverage covers the lack of funds that the 11 pregnant illegals don't contribute. When you consider the costs of healthcare, education, increase criminal activity, social services, etc. How much really is that head of lettuce? How much of that lettuce is the tax payer subsidizing? TB care is "free" to anyone who can't pay, including illegals. They all know its "free". They make up social security numbers, their birthdays all begin with 01/01/????, and the remark that its "free". Its important to find and treat all cases of active TB but if we didn't have so many people crossing the boarder who shouldn't be here, maybe there would be fewer TB cases.

 

[FreshTressa]

Well, I believe that as long as there is a reason/incentive for them to come here (jobs, free education, citizenship for their kids, etc.) they will find a way, regardless of border patrol or a fence etc.

We should set it up so more people can get here legally, make sure that their immigration is restricted to different counties so you don't wind up with a geographical subculture and they are forced to assimilate.

I have good friends that are illegals. They work hard and are contributing. It is sad that the gang members etc. make it so that good people that want to be productive members of AMERICAN society get discriminated against.

We do want an immigrant class of people. They are the class that allow women to work. Without the low wage housekeepers, cooks and child care workers, many women could not afford to work. We just need them to be legal and to not be so segregated in their own little geographic clusters. Also, a growing population helps the economy. If you stop immigration, our economy will slow.

I'm not arguing against allowing immigration...I just don't want non-tax paying criminals that congregate in clusters and that don't assimilate to comprise the majority of the immigrant population.

 

[FreshTressa]

Your insurance coverage covers the lack of funds that the 11 pregnant illegals don't contribute. When you consider the costs of healthcare, education, increase criminal activity, social services, etc. How much really is that head of lettuce? How much of that lettuce is the tax payer subsidizing? TB care is "free" to anyone who can't pay, including illegals. They all know its "free". They make up social security numbers, their birthdays all begin with 01/01/????, and the remark that its "free". Its important to find and treat all cases of active TB but if we didn't have so many people crossing the boarder who shouldn't be here, maybe there would be fewer TB cases.

Good point...I had not thought about it that way. Yah, your apples are cheap, but your taxes and healthcare costs more than make up for it.

 

[cardaway]

This issue doesn't seem to be real for some because they haven't waited 8 hours in the ER (with a sick baby) while 11 pregnant illegals came thru to deliver, only to have them question our insurance coverage!!! In some places it is crazy.

After being in the ER for 8 hours with my wife recently I know the ER situation all to well.

 

[In a hurry]

After being in the ER for 8 hours with my wife recently I know the ER situation all to well.

I'm sorry. No one should have to go thru that. Mine was many years ago, and I still remember how helpless and frustrated I felt.

 

[wvrevy]

So many points to address, so little time.

- re: changing the constitution...Sure...as long as we start with the second amendment Talk about a "right" that is taken out of context...lol

- No, I don't believe everyone that strongly favors immediate action in regards to immigration is a racist...anymore than people that favored keeping Jim Crow laws in place were racist. Again, you don't see people complaining about all those nasty Canucks flooding our northern borders, do you? (And why would they? ) But maybe calling them "racist" is too strong. Maybe we should just say that they are behaving in a racist fashion and leave it at that.

- Again, we are not talking about people that have the funds or the ability to work their way through the immigration process (which, as I'm sure some people on this thread could tell you, is neither cheap nor simple). We are talking about people that are working class, and largely uneducated, trying to come to America to make a better life for their children and their families. I'm sorry, but I refuse to demonize them for that. You may feel free to do so, if you believe that to be the "christian" thing to do.

- It is impossible to tell a legal immigrant from an illegal immigrant at a glance, much less when your wife is in labor. Sorry, but yes, I find statements like that to be nothing more than inflammatory rubbish.

- "How many is the maximum" ? Again, I'll plead ignorance, as I have no way of knowing the answer to that. But I would also assert that we are nowhere near any hypothetical maximum. Not within an order of magnitude. No matter how much politicians blather about this "problem", our quality of life is still 1000 times better than what those people are leaving behind...and I'd bet just about any stakes you'd care to name that EVERYONE on this thread is living better right now than 99% of all the illegal immigrants currently living in this country. Just like the welfare debate, some people try to make their point by greatly exagerrating how wonderful these people have it, and frankly, it's a giant load of...um...stuff. These are mostly extremely poor people living in conditions that I will guarantee you none of us would willingly exchange for our own.

 

[AllyandJack]

Hey, you haven't lived until you've been in the ER having a miscarriage and had the financial person come to your bay and ask for your co-payment. Meanwhile, in the next bay, you get to hear a conversation between two nurses.....who are coordinating a translator and the free care liason to make it all better for the person "with no papers or identification". They could have qualified for MassHealth, but it was easier to get them into the free care program because they were "undocumented". Meanwhile, thousands of Americans/legal residents don't qualify for the programs because they're $20. over the income level and people like me, with insurance, get shaken down for $100.

It's a problem. We can't handle it on many different levels. Something has to change.

 

[In a hurry]

Knew they were illegals cause I was sitting by the triage desk. And I wasn't pregnant, but had a sick baby.

And, as I said you don't know until you've lived it. It is easy to sit where it isn't a problem and say there isn't a problem. It isn't a problem to you because your daughter's school isn't overcrowded, and under-staffed. I was teaching in San Diego, and the schools were overwhelmed with illegal, undocumented students.

And why the heck would the Canucks want to come down here April - December, anyway?

 

[PixieDust32]

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[wvrevy]

Knew they were illegals cause I was sitting by the triage desk. And I wasn't pregnant, but had a sick baby.

And, as I said you don't know until you've lived it. It is easy to sit where it isn't a problem and say there isn't a problem. It isn't a problem to you because your daughter's school isn't overcrowded, and under-staffed. I was teaching in San Diego, and the schools were overwhelmed with illegal, undocumented students.

And why the heck would the Canucks want to come down here April - December, anyway?

Yeah, I got the "sick baby" part on re-reading Got distracted mid-post and musta missed it.

Illegal or not, what's the difference? Would I be mad if my daughter was sick and they took 11 white women in to delivery before taking her back to see a doctor? Well, probably, but that would be the animal part of my brain reacting, wanting MY kid taken care of first. But the rational part would say, "they are delivering babies, my kid has a cough, they need to go before us." Immigration would have nothing to do with it.

Wow...you taught in an overcrowded school? Imagine that! Schools are overcrowded everywhere, including out here in the boonies of West Virginia. Got nothing to do with immigration, and everything to do with us "making the world safe for democracy" instead of spending the money here at home. If we took a tenth of the war budget for the year and spent it on new schools and teacher salaries, we wouldn't have classrooms with 30 kids for each teacher. It is a financial problem, not one having to do with immigration.

Sorry, but just because someone had the great misfortune to have been born south of the border, doesn't dehumanize them to me. I don't think they should be granted special rights that ordinary citizens can't get, but I don't think they should be locked up, either.

 

[FreshTressa]

I think it is idealistic to think americans can save the world.

I would love to be able to share the wealth americans have with everyone in the world, but if that happened, no one would have any wealth.

Should we give free healthcare to those that don't illegally immigrate too? To all the Eastern Europeans, Cambodians and Africans that are starving around the globe?

No....so free healthcare only to those that manage to sneak in? That is your policy? Is that fair to all the people that chose not to illegally immigrate or those that could not afford to?

I am NOT racist. I just think that the situation as it stands has the potential to be very dangerous.

 

[dcentity2000]

I have a question.

If a known illegal immigrant is taken to hospital suffering from a heart attack or a stroke in the USA, will they be refused help on grounds of a lack of financing?



Rich::

 

[cardaway]

Maybe we should just say that they are behaving in a racist fashion and leave it at that.

It is impossible to tell a legal immigrant from an illegal immigrant at a glance, much less when your wife is in labor. Sorry, but yes, I find statements like that to be nothing more than inflammatory rubbish..

Speaking of rubbish...

 

[wvrevy]

I think it is idealistic to think americans can save the world.

I would love to be able to share the wealth americans have with everyone in the world, but if that happened, no one would have any wealth.

Should we give free healthcare to those that don't illegally immigrate too? To all the Eastern Europeans, Cambodians and Africans that are starving around the globe?

No....so free healthcare only to those that manage to sneak in? That is your policy? Is that fair to all the people that chose not to illegally immigrate or those that could not afford to?

I am NOT racist. I just think that the situation as it stands has the potential to be very dangerous.

It IS idealistic. This nation was founded on such ideals. Sorry, but I don't have a problem with trying to solve the world's problems, so long as we don't do it by tryin to conquer the world (read: invade just 'cause we think we should when there is no threat to us and no ongoing genocide).

As for free healthcare....you asked the wrong person that question. I think access to health care should be a right for all people, not a privilege for those able to afford it. So, in answer to your question...yes, I believe that they should get free health care. And so should everyone else.

 

[In a hurry]

Good grief. Do you mean to say that your child goes to school in a class of 45 students, 1/3 of whom speak no english? I had no idea the conditions were like that there. Obviously you are still in your own little world.

And yes, it was frustrating that the hospital was so crowded. And the fact that most of the people weren't going to pay diddly for the service, was an irritant. But I'm sure it wouldn't have bothered you...except you will never have to deal with that situation.

It is easy to say other's overreact, or have no basis for their frustration. But until your area is overrun with people using an abundance of the resources and contributing little back, you have no right to see yourself as superior.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

I have a question.

If a known illegal immigrant is taken to hospital suffering from a heart attack or a stroke in the USA, will they be refused help on grounds of a lack of financing?



Rich::

No, that person will get treatment.

 

[In a hurry]

I have a question.

If a known illegal immigrant is taken to hospital suffering from a heart attack or a stroke in the USA, will they be refused help on grounds of a lack of financing?



Rich::

No, hospitals are required to provide emergency care.

 

[Papa Deuce]

.....I'm not arguing against allowing immigration...I just don't want non-tax paying criminals that congregate in clusters and that don't assimilate to comprise the majority of the immigrant population.

And I don't want non tax paying perfectly nice people sucking up our resources if they are legal or illegal..... but ILLEGALS need to be deported and try to emigrate here LEGALLY.