State of Fast Pass Return (or replacement)

[finedice]

I'm always amazed how 90% of the folks that posts in these groups qualify for DAS.

I don't think the OP was trying to say that it isn't necessary for those that need it for a real reason.

I would imagine that if discussion about DAS (that isn't purely informational) continues, the thread may be closed. Please stay on topic and be nice to each other. I am sure we can all use some more kindness.

"Whoa-oh what I want to know... is are you kind?"

 

[Lewisc]

WOW! I just looked into this pass and it is WILDLY illegal. Sesame Place (which also uses the card) states on its website that use of the card is in compliance with the ADA because they do not require guests to disclose the nature of their disability...but circumventing that key clause to the law by outsourcing to a third party would never stand up in court. If it did, you could always hire a third party to circumvent civil rights laws--say, in hiring and firing decisions. I hope someone sues because that is outrageously messed up. What *would* be legal would be accepting the card--but not requiring it in order to provide accommodations. In addition, I would bet that since these parks have lawyers smarter than I am, you can absolutely receive equivalent accommodations if requested, and without being required to provide documentation of disability (again, flat out illegal) but it would be a more onerous process.

I suspect Sesame Place, and others using the procedure has reviewed the process with legal. Prehaps the courts won't agree but I don't think it's wildly illegal.
Medically protected information is being shared with a qualified third party. Presumably the third party is taking all necessary step to protect information.
The theme park isn't given any medical information. Only a notice as to what accommodations, if any, are appropriate. Many places require medical documentation for handicap parking tags.

Your civil rights laws comparison isn't valid.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

I don't think the OP was trying to say that it isn't necessary for those that need it for a real reason.

I would imagine that if discussion about DAS (that isn't purely informational) continues, the thread may be closed. Please stay on topic and be nice to each other. I am sure we can all use some more kindness.

"Whoa-oh what I want to know... is are you kind?"

THIS. 100%. Let’s get back onto the topic of FastPasses.

I’ll kick us off. Do we think that Millenium Falcon Smuggler’s Run will be added to whatever the new FastPass system looks like? What about Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure? Or will Disney opt for virtual queue for Remy?

Epcot had previously been interesting in terms of Tiers. I’ve seen people talk about “throwaway” passes because of the structure. If Remy was added it would definitely be Tier 1, as would reserved Harmonious viewing.

 

[Branderson610]

THIS. 100%. Let’s get back onto the topic of FastPasses.

I’ll kick us off. Do we think that Millenium Falcon Smuggler’s Run will be added to whatever the new FastPass system looks like? What about Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure? Or will Disney opt for virtual queue for Remy?

Epcot had previously been interesting in terms of Tiers. I’ve seen people talk about “throwaway” passes because of the structure. If Remy was added it would definitely be Tier 1, as would reserved Harmonious viewing.

I hope there will be a fast pass for both! That would make the whole attempt to get on these rides a little easier.

 

[Karin1984]

nvm

 

[Wandering Oaken]

Chances are the Ratatouille ride will have a virtual queue or boarding group. At least that's what I've heard from other posters who say they have inside knowledge or sources.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Chances are the Ratatouille ride will have a virtual queue or boarding group. At least that's what I've heard from other posters who say they have inside knowledge or sources.

Makes sense - and that’s kind of what I figured.

 

[Nick6300]

Chances are the Ratatouille ride will have a virtual queue or boarding group. At least that's what I've heard from other posters who say they have inside knowledge or sources.

without really knowing or thinking about it before, I assumed Rat would be like Runaway and not be BG.

 

[Moliphino]

In Paris Ratatouille doesn't have fastpass, only a single rider's line. Capacity is about 2200 guests per hour, which is about half what Pirates can process. It's not a very fast loading ride (not slow, but not fast either). Adding a fastpass would slow down the regular queue too much. Assuming the ride in Epccot will be similar to DLP, I wouldn't count on it.

Did it used to? I could've sworn we used fastpasses for it in 2017. Crush's Coaster didn't have them.

 

[luv2cheer92]

THIS. 100%. Let’s get back onto the topic of FastPasses.

I’ll kick us off. Do we think that Millenium Falcon Smuggler’s Run will be added to whatever the new FastPass system looks like? What about Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure? Or will Disney opt for virtual queue for Remy?

Epcot had previously been interesting in terms of Tiers. I’ve seen people talk about “throwaway” passes because of the structure. If Remy was added it would definitely be Tier 1, as would reserved Harmonious viewing.

MFSR had FP before, so don't know why it wouldn't now.

 

[POOH&PIGLET]

Let’s get back onto the topic of FastPasses

That was my point. The thread has (for the most part) devolved into something other than updates and rumors

 

[Karin1984]

Did it used to? I could've sworn we used fastpasses for it in 2017. Crush's Coaster didn't have them.

Sorry, my mistake, I am mixing up rides. It does have fastpass in Paris.

 

[Nick6300]

MFSR had FP before, so don't know why it wouldn't now.

Certainly busy enough lately to warrant FP eligibility. Seems to be commonly 2nd busiest to SDD at HS for standby waiting.

 

[middlechild]

A bus driver recently told of an addition to the FP+ system in MDE. Where different levels of fast pass were available for purchase, depending on the ride. Apparently the fast passes will be broken up into five levels. And different levels of fast pass have different charges. If you want a FP to Space Mountain, that would be $9 extra. The fast pass is called....
ready for this?
Fast Pass E
Ones for Dumbo would be a Fast Pass B, and the train would be Fast Pass A.
Kinda full circle, isn't it? But with a bus driver named "Josh D" I tend to lend a little more credence to the rumor, LOL

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

I'd be surprised if WDW wouldn't use virtual queues, at least initially, moving forward with every new attraction being opened. Perhaps WDW sees this virtual queue and boarding times is a better way to manage the crowds and queues of riders in the immediate and adjacent areas of the attraction?

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

MFSR had FP before, so don't know why it wouldn't now.

Did it? My last trip was Dec 2019 and I don’t remember it being available on FP+….but that might just be me misremembering lol

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

A bus driver recently told of an addition to the FP+ system in MDE. Where different levels of fast pass were available for purchase, depending on the ride. Apparently the fast passes will be broken up into five levels. And different levels of fast pass have different charges. If you want a FP to Space Mountain, that would be $9 extra. The fast pass is called....
ready for this?
Fast Pass E
Ones for Dumbo would be a Fast Pass B, and the train would be Fast Pass A.
Kinda full circle, isn't it? But with a bus driver named "Josh D" I tend to lend a little more credence to the rumor, LOL

Ha! Five levels is all that is needed to set the Social Media Earth on fire! How much more complex could WDW make a system, if true?

 

[wendyone]

I suspect Sesame Place, and others using the procedure has reviewed the process with legal. Prehaps the courts won't agree but I don't think it's wildly illegal.
Medically protected information is being shared with a qualified third party. Presumably the third party is taking all necessary step to protect information.
The theme park isn't given any medical information. Only a notice as to what accommodations, if any, are appropriate. Many places require medical documentation for handicap parking tags.

Your civil rights laws comparison isn't valid.

It's tough to argue that corporations never violate the law just because they have teams of lawyers. They do it all the time.

My comparison to hiring clauses of civil rights legislation, such as the ADA, is explicitly valid--see section 36.204: "A public accommodation shall not, directly or through contractual or other arrangements, utilize standards or criteria or methods of administration that have the effect of discriminating on the basis of disability." Note--not the intent, but the effect. Requiring people to apply for a card once a year to a third party arguably does have the effect of discriminating on the basis of disability. It imposes a burden of time, expense, and administrative BS not imposed on nondisabled people. But also it's a very weird choice to outsource determinations of what disabilities require which accommodations to an entity that is specifically focused on Autism and seems to specialize in cognitive disabilities. If you look at the list of disabilities they approve, most of them are cognitive. Which doesn't tap the surface of the vast number of disabilities that need to be individually considered.

Medically protected information isn't the issue, it's the fact that public accommodations (including theme parks) are prohibited from discriminating against people with disabilities under Title III of the ADA.

Disney's system now is very fair. It doesn't place a burden on people who need to use the system, and it doesn't really offer anything that would encourage fraud. Of course, it's still not as good as fastpass+, or a virtual queue system that would minimize lines for all. But it's fair.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

It’s 5pm pm on a Friday in the summer (weather looks like it’s lovely too) and I’m not seeing terrible, unbearable waits….
Longest in MK - Splash @ 65 & SDMT @ 60
Longest in Epcot - Test Track @ 60
Longest in DHS - SDD @ 80, RnrC @ 60
Longest in AK - FOP @ 95, Kali @ 60

Lots of 30, 20, 15, 10 and 5 waits at all parks….in fact, Soarin has a shorter line than LwtL at the moment lol.

 

[Nick6300]

Did it? My last trip was Dec 2019 and I don’t remember it being available on FP+….but that might just be me misremembering lol

https://**************.net/2020/01/fastpass-millennium-falcon-smugglers-run-kc1/
According to this article, maybe fastpass for SR debuted in Feb 2020 and was short lived.