Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[jknezek]

Something that screwed me up with TLJ was the timeline, because it’s clear that some of Rey’s time with Luke doesn’t match up with what’s happening with the resistance. Unless their encounter with the first order happened a literal 5 minutes after TLJ ended.

The whole playing around with time in lightspeed is irritating. Finn's Pointless Adventure is only the latest and worst infraction.

 

[umichigan10]

The whole playing around with time in lightspeed is irritating. Finn's Pointless Adventure is only the latest and worst infraction.

So true though, like how long did it take to get to Alderaan? Dagobah?

 

[jknezek]

So true though, like how long did it take to get to Alderaan? Dagobah?

A while. Though the Clone Wars cartoons actually do the best job of explaining this. But in New Hope it took long enough for Luke to have lightsaber lessons and play board games and the implication was longer. In Clone Wars the Jedi went into a trance to cover the distance and the strategy meetings often talked about help taking too long to arrive in system.

 

[umichigan10]

A while. Though the Clone Wars cartoons actually do the best job of explaining this. But in New Hope it took long enough for Luke to have lightsaber lessons and play board games and the implication was longer. In Clone Wars the Jedi went into a trance to cover the distance and the strategy meetings often talked about help taking too long to arrive in system.

Clone wars is actually a pretty interesting show. Just finished season 1 and there’s some cool nuggets here and there that keeps me interested

 

[hopemax]

I forgot Luke had so much training balancing on his head and running around with Yoda on his back...

That’s the kind of criticism that annoys me. I’m totally fine with people not liking the movie but I get annoyed when it gets criticized for the same things the originals did (not following physics, having holes in the plot)

Except Luke didn't out-Jedi the Emperor or Vader. He failed. He got tricked into coming to Bespin, where he got his hand chopped off. And the Rebels were led into a trap at Endor. Vader was redeemed by Luke's willingness to stop fighting and the love he had for his son not because of Jedi abilities. Even at Jabba's he got himself captured while trying to do Jedi stuff, and got out of it because of athletics, so maybe all that Yoda training was worth it anyway. I guess levitating C-3PO for the Ewoks was doing something Jedi successfully, but that seems more like Jedi theatrics than a sign of Jedi greatness.

 

[jknezek]

Clone wars is actually a pretty interesting show. Just finished season 1 and there’s some cool nuggets here and there that keeps me interested

Clone Wars is basically the best thing to have come from the prequels. If they had done the cartoons and no movies the story

 

[umichigan10]

Except Luke didn't out-Jedi the Emperor or Vader. He failed. He got tricked into coming to Bespin, where he got his hand chopped off. And the Rebels were led into a trap at Endor. Vader was redeemed by Luke's willingness to stop fighting and the love he had for his son not because of Jedi abilities. Even at Jabba's he got himself captured while trying to do Jedi stuff, and got out of it because of athletics, so maybe all that Yoda training was worth it anyway. I guess levitating C-3PO for the Ewoks was doing something Jedi successfully, but that seems more like Jedi theatrics than a sign of Jedi greatness.

Sorta like wax on wax off in karate kid, but with a green puppet in a swamp

 

[ShadeDK]

Saw the movie again today and ... my opinion stayed the same. Don't love it, don't hate it and (like TFA and the PT) doubt I'll revisit it much at all. The humor bothered me less this time - but knowing what to expect also made the middle drag more for me. I do think Johnson has provided some of the best cinematography and shots of any SW movie (so much red) - but I'm less sold on the story elements and dialog (amazing given the low bar that Lucas set). Enjoyable - and that last 45 minutes is very good - but I would've liked to see more restraint and streamlining in the first part of the film.

I will say that the second viewing left me time to focus on interesting questions, like: (1) why does the tracking device look like the flux capacitor? (2) now that hers is broken, what color will Rey's new lightsaber be (you know - not that there's an OT precedent there or anything)? (3) why point out that Kylo slaughtered some of Luke's students and left with others if no one's going to ask/say what happened to them? (4) Just how easy is it to keep a porg as a pet a la Chewie? (5) If Rey is the next generation of Force users moving beyond the Jedi/Sith conflict, why all the trouble with her taking the Jedi texts and Luke saying he's not the last Jedi? (6) How much do I really think Ep IX will answer all the open questions given Abrams' history of projects with unsatisfying endings?

Having read through this thread - I'm fine if Rey is a nobody. If the 9 movies are about the Skywalkers, Ep IX can put an end to that story with the deaths of Leia and Kylo, the last Skywalkers. I wondered if Kylo's comment to Rey in the throne room ("you have no place in this story") was metacommentary to that effect. And then I wondered "why am I wondering about this?" I'll just find out with everyone else in 2 years at the premiere (while hoping I'll be able to distinguish the end of the ticket line here in Virginia from the end of the line to get into the just-opened Star Wars Galaxy's Edge).

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

We don't see Luke attempting Jedi mind tricks until RoTJ but Rey Sue is busting that out an hour and a half into TFA.

This sort of thing is what makes the fact that she’s supposedly descendent of no one special less palatable to me. All that raw power, essentially untrained, goes “straight to the darkness” (or whatever Luke says), yet when faced with temptation (rule the galaxy won Kylo) she easily resists.

I still think they may well reverse out of the parentage thing... hope they do.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Saw the movie again today and ... my opinion stayed the same. Don't love it, don't hate it and (like TFA and the PT) doubt I'll revisit it much at all. The humor bothered me less this time - but knowing what to expect also made the middle drag more for me. I do think Johnson has provided some of the best cinematography and shots of any SW movie (so much red) - but I'm less sold on the story elements and dialog (amazing given the low bar that Lucas set). Enjoyable - and that last 45 minutes is very good - but I would've liked to see more restraint and streamlining in the first part of the film.

I will say that the second viewing left me time to focus on interesting questions, like: (1) why does the tracking device look like the flux capacitor? (2) now that hers is broken, what color will Rey's new lightsaber be (you know - not that there's an OT precedent there or anything)? (3) why point out that Kylo slaughtered some of Luke's students and left with others if no one's going to ask/say what happened to them? (4) Just how easy is it to keep a porg as a pet a la Chewie? (5) If Rey is the next generation of Force users moving beyond the Jedi/Sith conflict, why all the trouble with her taking the Jedi texts and Luke saying he's not the last Jedi? (6) How much do I really think Ep IX will answer all the open questions given Abrams' history of projects with unsatisfying endings?

Having read through this thread - I'm fine if Rey is a nobody. If the 9 movies are about the Skywalkers, Ep IX can put an end to that story with the deaths of Leia and Kylo, the last Skywalkers. I wondered if Kylo's comment to Rey in the throne room ("you have no place in this story") was metacommentary to that effect. And then I wondered "why am I wondering about this?" I'll just find out with everyone else in 2 years at the premiere (while hoping I'll be able to distinguish the end of the ticket line here in Virginia from the end of the line to get into the just-opened Star Wars Galaxy's Edge).

At least to answer question 3 - I believe the assumption is those other students he left with became the Knights of Ren - so now the question is what happened to them? Hoping the come back in Ep IX

 

[ShadeDK]

At least to answer question 3 - I believe the assumption is those other students he left with became the Knights of Ren - so now the question is what happened to them? Hoping the come back in Ep IX

I assume we'll get some answer - it'd have been easy for the screenwriters to write them all off as killed, but they didn't and that leaves us with the interesting question of what happened to them. Of course - they could take the Poochie route in Ep IX and the opening crawl tells us they all died on the way back to their home planet, but I'd hope not (or, worse, they're never addressed in the movies and the whole story is dumped into a secondary media spin-off). It's one of the few questions I'm actually curious to see how they tie in.

 

[akadada]

I re-read my post twice. I am struggling to figure out from where this came.

Respectfully to both of you, I agree with Kaveman...when and where has he talked down to anyone personally?

He's making reasonable positions, as are others positive for the movie. Even though I completely agree with Kaveman that this is a totally garbage movie, I've not seen or interpreted him talking down to anyone personally or directly though. Of course, one can take it personally, but I don't see how that's Kaveman's doing.

TMR - I think you're one of the top contributors here and I respect you and not looking to start something here, but I just don't agree at all with you that Kaveman is talking down to anyone personally.

Let's reboot this debate and run the Aaron Rogers theme of "R-E-L-A-X"...it's all just a movie. We're not debating how to cure cancer.

Cheers and happy new years to all.

 

[akadada]

So I find it interesting that the people that liked the movie think it is completely ok not to like it. But the people that didn't like it / hated it, seem extremely angry that ANYONE dare like it. (I'm including the folks on this thread.) Why do you insist that everyone else has to dislike it?

Based on what? i hate the movie but don't at all feel this way. Please substantiate.

 

[akadada]

Yeah, I'd been avoiding this thread until we'd seen the movie. Since we saw it Friday and have been a bit busy since, this is the first time I was able to get on and didn't read 42 pages lol. I still think there's something else with Rey, possibly that Ben is lying to her for some reason. There's a connection to someone. Hey, maybe it's Snoke. It was too obvious to make her Luke's daughter, but something is obviously being withheld (cause they never do that in SW lol).

Agreed.

As much as I don't like the movie, this is one part I sat back and said I guess I have something to look forward to for the next movie because Kylo is full of poodoo. Dude killed his dad, you can't trust this POS.

Well said sir.

 

[bdcp]

Agreed.

As much as I don't like the movie, this is one part I sat back and said I guess I have something to look forward to for the next movie because Kylo is full of poodoo. Dude killed his dad, you can't trust this POS.

Well said sir.

Sir? If you're referring to me, that would be wrong lol.

 

[akadada]

Sir? If you're referring to me, that would be wrong lol.

Hah! Mam? Sir? BDCP is gender neutral?

I'm also respecting yours and/or your spouse's and/or family's military service as well. (Shades of Green stays)

Very grateful whomever it may be.

Cheers.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

The Last Jedi Hits $1billion worldwide:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/31/media/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office/index.html

Also now 8th highest grossing domestic film at $517m ... so despite the mixed reactions I think Disney will be ok with these result

 

[akadada]

The Last Jedi Hits $1billion worldwide:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/31/media/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office/index.html

Also now 8th highest grossing domestic film at $517m ... so despite the mixed reactions I think Disney will be ok with these result

Hah!

As much as I think this movie is awful...perhaps good for my DIS stock?

Capitalism is wonderful. It simply does not care how I feel about something like this movie.

Cheers.

 

[akadada]

Say before we hit 2018, can someone fix the title of this thread and correct the spelling of the word ...

Discusison

Let's make 2018 classy.

I realize it's 15 minutes until NYE and I'm on a chatroom regarding TLJ...yikes, I'm old and a nerd and my entire family is already asleep...don't judge me. Time for some Mac 12 scotch to wipe the harddrive.

 

[rteetz]

Say before we hit 2018, can someone fix the title of this thread and correct the spelling of the word ...

Discusison

Let's make 2018 classy.

I realize it's 15 minutes until NYE and I'm on a chatroom regarding TLJ...yikes, I'm old and a nerd and my entire family is already asleep...don't judge me. Time for some Mac 12 scotch to wipe the harddrive.

Fixed